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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:47 PM
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Judy Miller Files Response Attacking Libby in Latest Court Filing -new PDF
Edited on Tue May-09-06 12:54 PM by kpete
http://talkleft.com/Millerreply.pdf

Miller Attacks Libby in Latest Court Filing
Former New York Times reporter Judith Miller filed this response (pdf) yesterday in her attempt to quash the supboena for her notes issued by Team Libby.

Mr. Libby further maintains he will use such information "to contend that, contrary to the allegations in the indictment, it was Ms. Miller who raised this topic in her discussions with Mr. Libby -if the topic was raised at all."

....He also makes the startlingly baseless claim that it may have been Ms. Miller who mentioned Ms. Plame to him.


How does this match up with her public account of her grand jury testimony?

more discussion at:
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014786.html


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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:49 PM
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1. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
The aspens are indeed turning!
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:54 PM
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3. And they are connected at the roots. Bwahahahaha
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:28 PM
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12. on each other!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:53 PM
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2. Miller better be careful or Fitzgerald will haul her ass back to court!
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:09 PM
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6. Well if Libby goes to trial she'd be one of the star witnesses.
When Libby's team first took a swipe at Dear Judy, I thought oh you might not want to rattle her cage too much. In her first grand jury testimony she tried to cover for Libby by not mentioning their June 23 meeting. Fitz "encouraged" her to refresh her memory and she then "found" her notes of that meeting and testified about it. But if her NYT article was an accurate indication of her testimony, and with Miller one never knows, she was um, vague about some points.

She tried to cover for Scooter per the Aspen letter, intially only testifying to the meetings/conversations he steered her to. Her write up in the Times suggests that she just wasn't sure about some things. Libby's team keeps poking Dear Judy with a stick and she may recover more of her memory. And maybe some more notes.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:56 PM
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4. The competition between Scooter & Ms. Run Amok
Edited on Tue May-09-06 12:59 PM by Pithy Cherub
to be also rans in the apparently prestigious (to them) Neocon National Security Lying Contest is formidable. Who's the liar and then impeaching both of them on the stand is a prosecutor's dream. Libby is also betting his hairline on the fact that Jailhouse Judy won't go all vindictive on him. Snort, her history on the planet proves otherwise.

Meanwhile, they are both putting things on the public record. Are there any defense attorneys involved here that get that Scooter has no one except the OVP who can "vouch" for their client. Does Judy get that quashing the subpoena may be more difficult if the media others don't quash theirs - a la Cooper the last time. This is beautiful, they are doing a slow motion clusterf*ck :spank:right in time for 2006 elections.

More, More, we want to see the neocons on the endangered species list as the new DoDo birds.

:popcorn:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:04 PM
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5. Nominated!
I consider this a "must read" for those following the case. More, although I am trying to be careful not to read too much into this, I believe there is a suggestion that Scooter Libby may be a liar, rather than simply an overworked public servant who was so concerned about stopping the next 9-11 that he plum forgot about his part in the conspiracy to destroy the Wilsons. Am I taking this too far?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:09 PM
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7. Never too far...
I read this the same way.

Libby Lied and Miller knows it.

Others know it too.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:11 PM
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17. She's ltelling him - he lied, she knows it and if he's going to
put her in jeopardy, he's going to be served up like Fitzmas Goose!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:10 PM
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8. K & R
:kick:
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:20 PM
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9. You know, I've never got why
people don't seem to wonder whether Judy is a N.O.C. "asset."

There was all those burblings about her "security clearances" and her "access" to Chalibli (sp?)...

Well, *I* wondered, anyway. Maybe my hat's too tight.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:22 PM
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10. No More Love Notes/My Heart Breaks
Edited on Tue May-09-06 02:21 PM by Me.
for this couple as they now enter the divorce, "War of the Aspens" stage. Better plot here than a movie. I'll gladly play the $10.

:nopity:

*shadow government*
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:26 PM
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11. Maybe they are working together still
It could be that dragging Miller back into the fray is part of the grey mail strategy of Libby's attorneys. It is likely that both have much still to hide and that makes them more allies than enemies.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:40 PM
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13. I doubt it. Miller, when faced with the possibility of an extended stay in
the slammer, gave Libby up. She was willing to hold out figuring the grand jury would expire and then she'd get her get out of jail card. And she could be the first amendment hero. But when word went around that Fitz would continue the investigation with a new grand jury, which meant she could be facing a much longer incarceration, she folded.

Bottom line, when push comes to shove, Judy looks out for herself.

Despite Libby's "flailing drowning man" defense tactics which no doubt includes graymail, unless he pleads out he pretty much has to attack the prime media witnesses against him. That's Russert and Miller.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:58 PM
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14. The document linked to
in the OP seems to remove any question of if they are coordinating efforts. It is an impressive piece of work, and reduces Scooter's claims in a powerful way. Judith's attorneys are working for their client, and their client alone.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:30 PM
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20. Thanks for the analysis. You are probably correct about Judy
doing or saying anything to keep her pampered rear end out of jail.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:59 PM
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15. Interesting! The Aspens are choking each other's roots! What new on Rove
? Anything?

:kick: & R!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:11 PM
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16. The filing makes for very interesting reading!
Thanks for posting the link.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:20 PM
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18. I like your irony, H20MAN: "so concerned about stopping the next 9/11
Edited on Tue May-09-06 02:21 PM by Peace Patriot
...that he plumb forgot that"...he had destroyed the very WMD counter-proliferation network that could prevent it.

However, I'm suspicious of any sniping among Cons (Miller/Libby, Rove/Libby, etc.). The war profiteering corporate news monopolies are rife with pre-written narratives. (For instance, brown people sneaking across the border--the "gay marriage/abortion" narrative for 2006--by which they will "explain" how Bushite-controlled electronic voting machines, with 'trade secret,' proprietary programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls, produce a Bushite turnaround this November.) (How DID "immigration" become an "issue," suddenly?)

I tend to think that Part 2 of Traitorgate is still in place. They failed on the planting of WMDs in Iraq (or, rather, were foiled), but the "Gulf of Tonkin"-type incident they have planned for Iran (or whatever it is they have set up) is still in motion. And the indicted part of this rat pack--the designated fall guys and distraction artists--think that the Bush junta nuking of Iran will call off all trials and other inconveniences. They can also count on the War Democrats to not be too mean when it comes to a preznut with a 10% approval rating issuing pardons. Forgive and forget, that's our Dems.

If they can just stay out of jail in the meantime...

I think that's what the "aspens" letter was all about--a pretrial 'dumbshow,' while they wait for Ghorbanifar (or whoever it is) to light the match in Iran. Fitzgerald is no dummy--that's for sure--but neither are the people he is dealing with. Goss' disgrace/discredit of the CIA (through the prostitute wing of the Bush junta), and Rumsfeld/Negroponte's move on the last remnants of honesty in that agency (the people still there who think it is their job to prevent war, not to manufacture it) is the backdrop of the Libby trial, and we should keep that in mind in examining the foreground soap opera. WHO were Libby, Rove, Miller, Novak and their bosses/handlers trying to destroy? And ARE they destroyed? Damn near.

It's all about Iran.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:28 PM
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19. Can't help but enjoy the soap opera part, however! I'm going to go check
out Miller's latest now. Thanks for the post, kpete!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:08 PM
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22. Let me know what you think
I read it, but would like to get your insight.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:40 PM
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27. Hm-m-m. Read it. And I'm beginning to be on Libby's side--in this legal
Edited on Tue May-09-06 04:48 PM by Peace Patriot
tug-of-war over Miller's notes. I really don't care if Libby goes to jail or not (or anybody else, for that matter), as long as the TRUTH about this junta is revealed. (I also would like the American people to get some of its trillions of dollars in stolen, unaccountable funds returned.) And I strongly suspect that Miller's notes in the June-July 2003 period might open a can of worms such as we have never seen before in this country.

Don't forget what Judith Miller was doing just before and during that period--she was embedded with the U.S. troops in Iraq who were "hunting" for the WMDs that everybody knew weren't there. According to her, she had a special "embed" contract signed by none other than Donald Rumsfeld. And she threw her weight around with these troops, demanding they go here and there--to the great annoyance of commanders in the field. The war profiteering corporate news monopolies--led by the NYT--had built up expectations that WMDs would be found. And there was their "star reporter," right on the scene to get "the scoop."

So, what was going on with this? Suspicion: Back at the Rome 2001 meeting (with Neo-Cons and Ghorbanifar), they were cooking up more than the Niger/Iraq nuke forgeries--they had Ghorbanifar there to procure actual nukes to be PLANTED in Iraq, which the Judith Miller-led U.S. troops would then "find." Ghorbanifar ALSO engineered a phony story about the Iranians stealing the Iraqi nukes during this period and taking them to Iran. Was the plan to "discover" nukes in Iraq, that were in transit to Iran, and invade Iran back then, following close upon the invasion of Iraq?

I'm not sure what to think of the Ghorbanifar Iraq/Iran nuke ploy (it was as easily exposed as the "crude" Niger forgeries), but it seems more than likely that the follow-up to the Niger nuke forgeries was to be the phony "find" of actual nukes in Iraq--to justify the war, to give Bush/Blair that enormous political benefit, and perhaps also to discredit the CIA.

Of the people in a good position to have discovered such an attempted deceit (planting nukes in Iraq), one has to count, a) Valerie Plame; b) the U.S. counter-proliferation network that she headed; and c) experienced U.N. weapons inspectors such as the British WMD expert, David Kelly. Plame and the Brewster-Jennings network were outed--its covert agents and contacts all put at risk of death, and all projects disabled--and David Kelly was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances, all within one week: July 14-22, 2003. (The timeline goes like this: July 14, Plame outed. July 18, Kelly found dead, his offices and computers are searched. July 22, Brewster-Jennings is outed.)

The day before Kelly died, he wrote an email to his old friend and colleague, Judith Miller (who had used him as a major quoted source in her book "Germs"). In the email--which is generally forward-looking--he expresses concern about the "many dark actors playing games." (Kelly had been whistleblowing to the BBC in late May about the "sexed up" prewar intel; he had been mysteriously outed to his bosses and interrogated at a "safe house" (late June); Tony Blair had been informed (on July 7) that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"; Kelly committed suicide, or was suicided, on July 17.) Miller failed to disclose this email, or her close connections to Kelly, in the news article she wrote about his death for the NYT a couple of days after he was found dead.

Given all of this, if I had a choice between Libby going to jail, or getting off (because of "seeds" he may have planted in Miller's notes, for instance--that he is now hunting for), and the latter (his getting off) brought Judith Miller's June-July 2003 notebooks, emails, phone logs and calendar into the public venue, I think I was would choose the latter.

It's not my choice, of course. And, as Talkleft and DU bloggers--and Patrick Fitzgerald and the judge--have frequently pointed out: Libby is not on trial for outing Valerie Plame. He's on trial for lying and obstruction of justice--very likely in an effort to shield Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others from treason charges.

But we need LIGHT in this country, and lots of it--more than we need the seconds-in-command in jail. Fitzgerald's legal strategy has already yielded quite a bit of light, in these very dark times for the U.S. A man like him comes along once in a generation--if that generation is lucky. (And apparently we ARE!) So I'm not telling HIM what to do. He has Libby flailing around defending himself from something he hasn't been accused of--yet--and revealing more with every flail.

I'm just saying I would like to see the real motives for Traitorgate exposed--and the full panoply of crimes; that our country needs that to happen; and that I think that Judith Miller did not get on the front pages of the NYT because she was a good reporter, but rather because of who was running her, who she knew, who she was communicating with and meeting with, and how she was serving the Bush junta and the war profiteers--and I think her notes/calendars, etc., would help us understand just what-all our government has been up to, in our name, and how the collapse of journalistic integrity in our country's news organizations, under the weight of corporate monopolies, has contributed to the fascist coup that we are suffering.

I think she's at the heart of it--witting or unwitting (or half-witting). "It" being the shattering of our democracy. Even more so than people like Libby and Rove. We were supposed to have protection against tyrants running rampant. That's what Thomas Jefferson's design was. A free press, to keep the tyrants reigned in. If the executive runs rampant, we have Congress. If Congress runs rampant--or if the Executive and the Congress run rampant together (as they have with Bushite-controlled "trade secret" vote tabulation, for instance), we have the Fifth Estate, our free press, to cry foul and keep the people informed. (Our top court went rampant long ago.) And if the Fifth Estate runs rampant, and starts printing war propaganda straight from the rampant Executive, and colludes in destroying all checks and balances (such as the honest professionals in the CIA), then our democracy is in very big trouble, to put it mildly, and there has never been a time in our history when we have had more need to KNOW just what is going on.

What we need is a Truth and Justice Commission (such as they had in South Africa). And I hope and pray that that's where we're heading. What's left to us are the powers of the states--which can reverse the electronic voting scam, for instance, and also (we have found out recently) can submit a privileged bill of impeachment against the president and vice president to the U.S. Congress (all it takes is one state legislature). And we ourselves--We, the People--who have been the victims of all this. What's left is us, the theoretical sovereigns of this land. Will we be the last generation to remember a free press and a free country? Or will we rise up, oust these fascists, and create a better country than any of us has ever dreamed of?

That's my bet. A better country and a better world. Democracy is alive and well, here, beneath the corporate news monopoly delusions. And the Judith Millers of this world will better understand that, after we get her testimony at the U.S. Truth and Justice Commission. One commission in each state. And she has to confess her sins in every one. She and her pals in the Pentagon and the White House.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:42 PM
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28. interesting - not what I expected
but I do agree with this:

"But we need LIGHT in this country, and lots of it"
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:04 PM
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29. Sorry to go on a rant, kpete--but what strikes me about this filing is the
evidence of collusion, coziness, and tete a tete corruption, between a NEW YORK TIMES JOURNALIST and a GOVERNMENT OPERATIVE WHO WAS OUTING A WHOLE RAFT OF CIA COUNTER-PROLIFERATION AGENTS (not just Plame, although one would be enough). Why wasn't she shouting "treason" from the rooftops?

Pull back. Look at this in context. What the hell is she DOING writing a CIA agent's name in her notebook? What is she DOING playing these 'Mata Hari' games with Libby?

Well, we KNOW what she was doing. She was pushing the war, relentlessly, in collusion with the Pentagon and the White House. And, by summer 2003, she was one very disappointed "journalist" that all the LIES she had told about WMDS hadn't been made to come true!

What we're looking at here is the tangled up COLLUSION of the Bushite fascists with the Bush-ass-kissing corporate news monopolies. They were using her, to push their war propaganda and create their cover stories, and she was using them to establish herself as "Ms. WMD," and both were out to hatefully punish and destroy anybody who got in the way.

That's what I'm seeing. It doesn't much matter to me who planted what in whose notes. What I'm seeing is that this was supposed to be a REPORTER, and her object clearly was NOT to expose government wrong-doing, but to facilitate it.

I suppose, in a snake-fight between Judith Miller and Scooter Libby, I'd root for Miller--because I suspect that she has less insider protection. Although she has done their bidding all along, she is now, possibly, a danger to them. We just don't know, though, what kind of snakepit this is, and who, among these roiling bodies, is the most venomous and the most to blame.

This is our "free press." A slimey tangle of snakes and Bushites.

Front page of the New York Times, for months and months and months, poisoning the country with their lies. And then running around with a Bushite-targeted CIA agent's name in her hot little hand, hoping to assist them in ruining some lives and crushing dissent.

And they're NOT DONE. That's the other part of the context. They're not done yet! Rumsfeld and Negroponte are STILL ruining lives and crushing dissent.

So I don't trust that EITHER SIDE of this documents fight is telling the truth. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that Libby was telling the (limited) truth, that he got the word on Plame from Miller--and that the whole truth is that she got it from Donald Rumsfeld, who set Libby up. As an example of what I mean by "snakepit." The Bush junta is a Byzantine jungle of lies, blackmail, black ops, rampant spying and set ups--which we can thank our war profiteering corporate news monopolies for keeping in power. And if some of their well-paid lapdog "journalists" get stung for their collusion, I don't care. This is why we don't know who we can trust; we don't know who did what; we don't know what to believe in their "newsstream"; we don't know who is covering up for whom, or what-all is being covered up--because of the outright collusion of corporate media operatives like Miller, and other forms of more covert collusion yet to be exposed.

This filing by Miller's attorneys just ticked me off, that's all. It's so disgusting that a supposed journalist was even in this position--with information on the treasonous acts of our government, and their lies and coverups, that she would never even have thought to expose, because she was in on it.

I hope Patrick Fitzgerald wins whatever point he needs to make, to keep them all on the hot seat. I hope he roasts them good and proper. But Miller as truth-teller, in a contest with Libby? I think they're BOTH covering up far worse lies, and far worse crimes--and I don't believe a word that either of them says about ANYTHING.





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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:11 PM
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30. Guilty!
You are certainly right about this:

"She was pushing the war, relentlessly"

H20 Man has an excellent post, you have probably already read it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1139046&mesg_id=1139046
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:59 PM
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31. Libby didn't learn about Plame from Miller since he knew well before
they had their little chats. Documented in the indictment.

Libby's simply lying and trying to distract when he claims he learned of Plame from media. It's already been documented (read the indictment) that Cheney and others already had told Libby about Plame before he had his chatfest with Miller and other journos.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:35 PM
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33. Sorry, none of this crowd is smarter than Fitz
While Libby may think he is, he isn't. As to Rove, Fitz on his worst day is smarter than Rove on his best day. (Thanks to Judge Judy)

Besides that, Judy says Libby is lying - lying - when he claims he heard about plame from her, rather than the other way around.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:06 PM
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21. I wonder why Bolton visited Judy twice while she was in jail? Maybe
Fitz can ask her about that. Don't they tape all conversations that take place in prisons?

Libby told Judy in his colorful 'letter to a friend in jail' to 'come back to work and to life' ~ he didn't say 'go back to work' ~ I always wondered if that was just a mistake, or a message. And if his reference to 'life' was to tell her she was safe? She had said before she went to jail that she was 'afraid for her life'.

If they are hoping to be pardoned, wouldn't they try to protect Bush but not necessarily Cheney? It seems counterproductive, eg, for Libby to expose Bush as the leaker. Since he already basically did that, it seems to me he doesn't expect a pardon. Just a thought, because if Bush is removed from office, or forced to resign, he cannot pardon anyone.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:09 PM
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23. oh which one to believe--neither.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:24 PM
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24. Ms pixie smile Miller got in bed with the Neo Fascists.
It seems that she thought that they would protect her for her services to their agenda. She has found out that they are like scorpions. Now she will do what she needs to do to protect herself. There is no loyalty with these Neo Fascists. She is between Iraq and a hard place.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:55 PM
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25. I have added this to the Research Forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=358&topic_id=3589&mesg_id=3676


I am still trying to figure out where this was filed in the Courts, it is not with Libby's other filing(s), I even checked with Judy's name, oh well it is there in the Research Forum now.

Very interesting, I have been sick for a few days hence is why I have not been on DU very much

Thank you kpete
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:57 PM
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26. Be well
I too have been under the weather...

Perhaps it is contagious?

Peace!
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:13 PM
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32. kpete.....
I have a serious Internets, intellectual crush on you.

Thanks for all you do.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:43 AM
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34. Is this mean, love affair over?
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