It's all over. WE live in a fascist state. This is outrageous.

[MnFats]

go here immediately. be prepared to be pissed.


http://www.colorado.edu/police/420_Photo_Album/index.htm

[ShortnFiery]

1. Oh that is mucho sicko ...

What is wrong with our society? Damn these jack booted thugs! :grr:

[mrcheerful]

8. Whats even worse is family and friends are probably the ones who turned

the identified ones in. Remember be a good little commie or facist, turn in mommy.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. I just saw this on the news,

and I thought - this is what a UNIVERSITY is fucking doing!?!?!?!?!?!?

What the hell is going on with these people?

This is incredible.

Good catch, MnFats. Good one, indeed.

[LeftNYC]

3. People will do anything for $50...including ratting out their peers...

this is scary.

[johnnie]

4. Officials closed the park

The kids went there and smoked dope in front of cameras. They aren't too bright in my opinion.

[Ian David]

20. I think I saw Jenna and Barbara Bush in those pictures...

I could be wrong, though.

Hey, isn't that Congressman John Sweeney?

[sweetheart]

55. call them in

The police are very interested, plus you'll get a reward!

:-)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

5. besides this being insane - most of these people didn't have drugs.....

How do they know they weren't just wandering by? I think there could be some BIG lawsuits filed. They ought to all band together and hire the best attorney they can find.

[400Years]

9. all they gotta do is claim they were smoking tobacco as a

symbolic protest.

[Kingshakabobo]

28. I wonder how many will be dumb enough to roll-over ON THEMSELVES.

...and admit to smoking dope.

I wonder how many will be smart enough to clam-up and not admit to being there. Some of those photos aren't too good. I think I would be out getting a hair-cut.

[JuniperLea]

32. Yes, I'm sure those cameras are equipped with Mary Jane test kits

Some looked like cigarettes... some like cigars... most could very well be hand rolled tobacco cigarettes.

I don't see how this could hold up in court!

"Yes, Your Honor... that's me in the photo."

"No Sir/Ma'am, I was smoking tobacco."

[Ian David]

56. They were all "trespassing." The park was officially closed.

That's how they're gonna get 'em.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

6. Smiling faces, peaceful scene.

My god, we wouldn't want that . . .

[AndyA]

7. I can identify the person in image #161.

It is Tom Cruise.

:rofl:

Anyone know what the purpose of closing the field was? Why are these people wanted? Are they smoking pot?

Edit: I was typing like George Bush speaks. Sorry.

[Dave Reynolds]

12. I heard it was a 4/20 gathering,

but I have no confirmation on that.

[fooj]

78. It very well could be...look at the date on the website.

4/20/06.

[KyuzoGator]

10. OH MY GOD! COLLEGE STUDENTS SMOKING MARIJUANA!

Society as we know it will cease to exist unless we send SWAT teams to each of their dorms immediately.

[NewJeffCT]

18. I know, 1st smoking pot - and then maybe they'll be some drinking!

and maybe some - shield the eyes of your children - premarital sex.

[cushla_machree]

40. We had a ziggy marely show at my school one year

The police were all so proud of their arrests the next day.

Lets see, bunch of mello students, going to a reggae show.

Undercover cops? Check

Making the community safer by arresting those dangerous crimminals? CHECK CHECK.

What i don't get is, did they know those cameras were there?

How can it be proven that they were smoking dope? I mean really, it could be potporri for all we know.

Thats the thing, if they are not dumb, they wil just say its tobacoo. You can't be tricked into a confession.

[Mr_Spock]

49. Oh, no. Next thing you know they'll be drinking liquor and smoking ciggs

Heck, they may even get addicted to Oxycontin! God Forbid!!

[jsamuel]

11. 50 bucks!!! That is one month of Ramen!!!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

13. Here's their number. Just don't use any profanity if you call.....

[phone].

[leftofthedial]

14. if you haven't done anything wrong, citizen

you have nothing to fear. The thought police are here to help you. They can keep you from thinking impure thoughts. The cameras are for your protection, so that you will not be tempted into immoral behavior.

[Master Mahon]

15. Well let's look on the positive side

Anti-war protests at Ohio and Kent state
kids were murdered by the national guard.
And that was 35 or so years ago.

[Wickerman]

16. So, could you turn yourself in and still get the 50$?

seems fair.

This is some stupid shit.

[MsUnderstood]

17. There is a marijuana smoke day and time

on 4/20 at 4:20 you light a joint to celebrate 420. . .here is a link

http://www.concept420.com/what-is-420.htm

[Blue_In_AK]

29. We were in Golden Gate Park last year

at that fortuitous moment. A great time was had by all. :hippie:

[central scrutinizer]

19. Now, if they had been CU football players...

well, boys will be boys, let's just forget the whole thing.

[Protagoras]

21. It's only over if they are allowed to continue.

This is the kind of crap a community can cram right back up the admin's collective rears. Power mongering nuts can try all sorts of idiocy...they always have. It's whether or not the people allow it to endure that is the real test.

What's the mood in CO right now?

[Deja Q]

22. Now that's one helluva pot party...

[JuniperLea]

35. WOW!

Hashish
Cocaine
Marijuana
Opium
LSD
DMT
STP, BLT
A&P, IRT
APC, Alcohol
Cigarettes, shoe polish, cough syrup, peyote
Equinol, dexamil, camposine, Chemadrine,
Thorazine, trilophon, dexadrine, benzedrine, methedrine
S-E-X and Y-O-U, Wow!

[adwon]

23. What?

How does this show fascism? A bunch of idiots got a free warning and decided to show up anyway. I mean, if this is fascism, so are the cameras at traffic lights.

[johnnie]

25. What's funny is..

Some of these kids are looking right into the cameras and hitting their shit. :eyes:

[JuniperLea]

45. Oh please... give them an inch

"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." (Anatomy of Fascism, p 218)


If smoking pot caused the decline of community, there would be no community right now. There was a time in our history when alcohol was illegal and pot, cocaine and lithium were legal!

[adwon]

64. Um, ok

Your definition bears no relation to the situation. The fact that the area was closed for the day and they were warned contradicts a claim of fascism. See, one of the big hallmarks of a fascist government, and of totalitarian governments generally, is that informing on others is done secretly. Further, the 'violations' under such an informer regime are usually arbitrary. There is nothing arbitrary about the warning these idiots got, nor the fact that their faces were published as law-breakers. They were told the area was closed and that it was be monitored by cameras. The reasonable person would assume that any such film would be used for the twin purposes of identification and prosecution. There's nothing secretive about this affair at all. What's the lesson to draw from this? If you're going to break the law as a protest, do it meaningfully not stupidly.

[JuniperLea]

65. self delete

[Karmakaze]

68. Oh ok.. so who were the informers? Where are their names listed?

Or did they in fact inform in secret?

[adwon]

82. Does it matter?

The 'informers' are giving information for the purpose of identification, not for the purpose of prosecution. There's another key difference between this situation and fascism. Under a fascist regime, the information given by informers would be used at trial, likely with no opportunity to confront the accuser. The difference here is that if an informer gives anything more than an identification, he/she is open to subpoena. It may be a subtle difference, but it is a key difference. The 'informers' will not be telling the police anything more material than a name.

[Karmakaze]

85. And yet it all begins with a name...

In many facist regimes, all the authorites NEED is a name and that person disappears. And no I am NOT saying this is what happened, but this definately seems like conditioning in that direction to me...

[adwon]

94. So

Maybe we should throw out every composite sketch or picture that was ever aired on the TV news concerning a suspect. After all, this is the same situation but in a different medium. Hell, not even that different. You can look up things like the 10 most wanted list online and likely other suspect lists.

[Karmakaze]

111. No, its NOT the same situation at all!

The police were THERE - if crimes were committed the perpetrators should have been arrested. The fact they werent says there is something more to this publication of photos. In my opinion they did it not to identify the people, but to PUNISH them. There is a big difference.

[adwon]

118. Maybe there was an overriding reason not to

The area looks pretty crowded in those pictures. Maybe the police preferred not to cause a stampede but rather to rely on the cameras for identification. In a situation like this, with the potential liability and the guaranteed payoffs if just one of those idiots falls and bumps his head, it seems like a reasonable tradeoff. Just a thought.

I don't see how putting their pictures online is punishment. They smoked pot in public, in broad daylight. That alone makes it extremely doubtful they care much about people seeing them in the act. Add in the fact that there were 40 bigass signs warning them that they would be filmed and it strains the punishment argument to the breaking point.

[Karmakaze]

126. And yet with any other kind of demonstration...

They round up people for arrest without concern for what may happen to them.

No, there is definately something fishy about this.

[readmoreoften]

90. you have got to be fucking kidding me

"The 'informers' are giving information for the purpose of identification, not for the purpose of prosecution."

what an apologist you are.

And what exactly do you think the police are going to do with this name? The police have posted photographs on the WORLD WIDE WEB of individuals SUSPECTED of TRESPASSING and possibly (shiver) POT INHALATION. Where will this end? Will all "suspects" be posted on the internet for identification. Is that a good idea?

And when the faces of illegal immigrants are posted on the net, will you collect your $50 and give them information? What about individuals at the next rally who lose their balance and step off the curb when the police tell them not to? When they post their photos, will you identify them?

An "informant" is someone who informs authorities. That's the etymology of the word. All other rationalization is silly.

[adwon]

92. Apologist?

You don't understand the delineation. If the information was given for the purpose of prosecution, the informant would be subject to the 6th amendment requirement that a criminal defendant be able to face his/her accusers. That is not the case here. If someone tells the police that picture X looks like John Doe, the police still have to confirm the identity independently. If they are able to do so, the original identification becomes moot. If not, perhaps the informant will have to testify as to their identity. It seems unlikely, but maybe it could happen.

Your concern over suspects' pictures being placed on the internet is a bit misplaced. Maybe you should go to your local library, courthouse, police station, etc. and protest the fact that they regularly post pictures of suspects. This is an extension of that idea, not a different idea. Better yet, go protest every local TV station that has ever aired a composite sketch of a suspect. I figure you'd be busy for 1000 years with that one. Hell, toss out the 10 most wanted list while you're at it. God forbid the police ever posted a picture/sketch of someone suspected of committing a crime. :eyes:

This is not a new idea. It's simply been transferred to a new medium. I highly doubt that if this were suspected child molesters or whatever that even 1/10 of the people outraged over this 'fascism' would have bothered to post. It seems to me that you're confusing your dislike of a particular set of laws with an old and legitimate tool of law enforcement.

[GeorgeGist]

97. I hope you reach your goal...

real soon. Cause you really are as stupid as you know you are.

[adwon]

98. Care to expand?

Is this simply a personal attack with no definable reason or do you have something more to say?

[Jack Rabbit]

24. Sometimes you think they'd be better off if they just gave up

Photo from College Humor

[JuniperLea]

26. Makes you wonder...

If there are cameras trained on crowds during protests for identification purposes...


Hop in the hand basket, folks! We are all going to hell.

[Rocknrule]

27. Sometimes I am ashamed to be a student in Colorado

From Columbine to Churchill to the Hitler Youth kid at Overland to the flag burning incident to this, ai ai ai

[OnyxCollie]

30. If you're gonna break a law in a public place,

don't complain if you get caught. And just because a lot of people are doing it, it still isn't legal. Also, the surveillance used for criminal prosecution meets Fourth Amendment probable cause standards. The Supreme Court declared such surveillance constitutional in Terry v Ohio, and that was under less obvious circumstances.


Just get stoned at home, then go out.

[JuniperLea]

47. Try saying that on an immigration thread! n/t

[treestar]

72. Illegal immigrants are not committing a crime - that's what the

protest was for - over a bill the right wing wanted to make it a crime - like we have room in the regular jails for that.

So these students are actually committing a crime, making them guiltier of something worse, or at least that ought to be so, in your book.

Though perhaps this town's law enforcement personnel need to get a life.

[Dave Reynolds]

79. I'm sorry to play semantics,

and I get a little off-topic, but they would not be called "illegal" immigrants if there were not some law against their being here, would they?

[treestar]

110. No, it's a civil wrong. More like breaching a contract. The

U.S. Supreme Court held it was civil, in an attempt to avoid the application of the criminal law, which might have meant a right to counsel, etc.

[JuniperLea]

121. But doesn't "illegal" mean... um... illegal? Against the law... n/t

[Iowa]

93. Nah... some here are missing the point...

Your argument rests upon the premise that authority is legitimate. The world-view you propose is a very simple one: authority figures make the rules and the rest of us should follow them (or break them in hiding like sniveling cowards per the recommendation in the last line of your post).

Many are largely unquestioning in their obedience to whatever twit happens to decide what we can and cannot do. This is a mindset that has no problem with government surveillance, or with one citizen being paid by the government to snitch on another for petty offenses. This is the pool from which most corporate managers and management wanna-bees come... company-men who can recite the letter of the law frontwards and backwards.

What this country lacks - perhaps more than anything in these troubling times - is a critical mass of:

--people who think for themselves and refuse to submit to someone else's rules without questioning them
--people who keep "authority" continually off-balance and make THEM toe-the-line
--people who display a certain level of contempt for authority (and a healthy skepticism toward those who aspire to become authority figures)
--people who are inclined to want the rule-breakers to prevail when there is conflict between authority and the little person
--people who would never think of saying this: "If you're gonna break a law in a public place, don't complain if you get caught."... but rather, people who would be inclined to say this instead: "Who the hell are they to tell me what I can and cannot do?"

[OnyxCollie]

99. I understand the surveillance law.

And I know the cops have the authority under the law. I also believe these kids are shit out of luck for a defense. So please, spare us the histrionics. Maybe they can find a more productive way of changing the pot laws besides getting rounded up like dumbasses on 4/20.

[Occulus]

112. You are so full of it

Every single person in those photos is smoking tobacco.

Prove me wrong.

There's their defense, and it's unassailable. So go piss up a rope.

[Iowa]

119. Yeah, you already said that...

"...the cops have the authority under the law."

That's all you need to know. They lead, you follow, and you insist that everyone else get in line and follow too. And it's particularly telling that in this particular situation you recommend that the law should be violated in secret. So it's clearly not the law you support - it's the right of authority to control the rest of us. You espouse following the rules for the sake of the powers-that-be ("because they said so"); instead of supporting a law based upon its contribution to the greater good. This is an especially wishy-washy, cringing approach to authority.

Congratulations! You are management material.

[OnyxCollie]

123. So I guess the rule of law only applies to what you want it to.

What exactly is it you're defending? That kids should be able to break laws, trespass, and not be subjected to criminal prosecution just because authority figures should be ignored? The kids were in a open field, the cops were standing right there, I don't think anything was done in secret. Your argument is a joke.

[timtom]

103. I love it!!

This is precisely the point I tried to make in one of the Cynthia McKinney threads (that the automatic assumption is that the authority figure is without question right.)

In that thread, I suggested that we constantly should be evaluating our basic assumptions.

One of my favorite exercises is to ask people, "Is driving a privilege or a right?"

Everyone I've asked so far has failed that litmus test.

Rather than "she touched a police officer", the statement should be "keep your f***ing hands off me, you goon." Which is sorta what she said, nonverbally.

I agree with your final statement 100%. Hell, I agree with you whole post!

[Iowa]

120. Exactly!

What you're saying is the key to being free and staying free. And we're in danger of losing our freedom because we lack enough who think like you. You nailed it.

[VOX]

31. I wish I did know the girl in Image 145...damn! But I'd never turn her in.

And she could hide out at my place!!! :) :evilgrin:

[sweetheart]

33. Ok, so i called the number and spoke to someone

The person said that they are referring the identified persons
to campus security, and that it was not for criminal proceedings,
but rather a "strike" on their records. As they are trying to
repress civil disobedience, and disrespect for authority.

They genuinely believe that they are he right authority and
that their laws are more important than the civil disobedient's to
privacy.

I don't think the police are aware how dreadful this looks for them
as a global PR thing.

I suggest you call the number (303) 492 - 8168 and ask to speak
to someone responsible, so they hear why someone might be upset
to see a bunch of children called out on the web for being
regular college students in "boulder" for peets sake.

To the officer's credit, he was a gentleman.

[KyndCulture]

34. Well I'd call... and say..

hey that guy on the 3rd row... yeah that one... His name is Elmer Fudd. Gimme my half a saw note.

[sweetheart]

36. There, now its on PRAVDA

http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?threadid=166043

[jsamuel]

37. Does this one look photoshopped to anyone else?

that stream of smoke coming out of his mouth is like pure white???

[WorseBeforeBetter]

87. Not to mention shaped like a perfect cone.

Neat trick - 420 or not.

[rman]

102. Smoke emanating from his upper lip

Amateur photoshop job.

[LostinVA]

104. That guy is not exhaling the "smoke" we see pictured....

Give me a break.

[0007]

38. I'm so pissed I can't see straight.

[jdelullo]

39. They had it right over 35 years ago!!!

And the sign says "Long hair freaky people need not apply"
So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do
So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you"

CHORUS:
Signs Signs Everywhere there's signs
Blocking up the scenery Breaking up my mind
Do this Don't do that Can't you read the sign

And the sign says "Anybody caught trespassing will be shot on sight"
So I jumped the fence and I yelled at the house
What gives you the right To put up a fence And keep me out
Or to keep Mother Nature in
If God was here He'd tell it to your face Man You're some kind of sinner

CHORUS:

Oh Say now mister Can't you read
You got to have a shirt and tie to get a seat
You can't watch No You can't eat You ain't supposed to be here

And the sign says "You gotto have a membership card just to get inside" Huh

And the sign says "Everybody welcome Come in Kneel down and pray"
But then they passed around a plate at the end of it all
And I didn't have a penny to pay
So I got me a pen and paper And I made up my own little sign
I said Thank you Lord for thinking about me I'm alive and doing fine

CHORUS:
CHORUS:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

41. They took pictures of people back in the late 1960s-early 1970s, too....

...this is nothing new, just better photographic equipment.

Do I think this has a chilling effect on gatherings for a wide variety of reasons? You bet it does. This kind of action is reprehensible, IMHO.

[OnyxCollie]

44. Getting stoned is not protected under the First Amendment.

Can you tell me how this is different than the people photographed destroying private and public property after a sports event? Last time I checked, smoking pot was (unfortunately) against the law. Those kids are breaking the law, in a public place, in full view of police officers with cameras. They were even warned, too. If anything, it just shows how fucking stupid some people are.

[sweetheart]

48. Its protected under the 9th

It is an obvious unenumerated right of the time when
the constitution was framed.

There is a right to illegal search and seizure. I feel
that this website infringes on that, subtly.

There is a natural right to proportionality, and smoking
some grass on a school field is not proportional to the
responding action. It was not a rape, it was not
a violent crime. The action is deliberately designed
to stop people from dissenting. They think that they
are fighting the drugs war... sadly were they to stick
to some real crime and spare us the invasive policing.

The persons have the right to the presumption of innocence,
and the website violates this without just cause.

It is disturbing on so many levels, and violates so many
obvious tenents of civil society, that i'm outraged that
police get paid from public funds. The police have
become a systemic branch of the corruption. Its spooky indeed.

[OnyxCollie]

51. There was no illegal search and seizure.

Those kids were in a public place, in full view of policemen, smoking pot. Were they stopped? Were they searched? They were photographed breaking a law, smoking pot. What more do you need for probable cause?

[tammywammy]

53. And it doesn't appear that they're in trouble for the pot

It would be much easier to bust them for trespassing.

I don't think this is fascism. They were clearly warned that they weren't allowed on to the field and that it was under video surveillance. They took the chance and some got busted for it.

[sweetheart]

54. Yes, its just a "strike" on their student record

It was a political protest against a bad law and
i think that the police should consider that
original intent and back off their harsh actions.

The police should not be fighting the politics
to repress public demonstration, and this is
exactly what the officer told me their objective
was, to repress future demonstrations "against
authority."

[OnyxCollie]

59. Can you provide anything to support that claim?

I'm not trying to mess with you, but I just finished a ten page essay on electronic surveillance. I got a stack of documents about 2.5 inches thick that I've been studying for the last four months, and nothing I have read can support your belief.

On edit: The only thing that comes close is Katz v United States, but that involved bugging a phonebooth.

[sweetheart]

63. chewing it over

I presume you mean my claim of illegal search. I would say
that the university has a privacy covenant with the students
that make disclosing such liabellous indictments a breach.

2.5 inches of case law in the corporate courts, and where
is unenumerated right to privacy. Methinks people are so
ignorant these days (on edit, not speaking of your good self)
, that they've lost the concept of the 9th
and what it presumed. There was a natural right to smoke
whatever plants when the constitution was written.

But i guess a common sense reading is out of the concept when
people are making up fantasy unitary executives and no
separation of powers... then when we don't actually *read*
the constitution, it says whatever we want.

All the constitution is these days, is a brown smudge from
george bush's ass... and short of reading an ink-blot,
not much is legible.

[sweetheart]

133. ain't bein no lawyer

That the constitution's on hemp paper pretty much
says it all about the unenumerated rights of the time.

Being frisked for having a peice of the constitution
on me, seems strangely odd. I can't grow the constitution,
i can't smoke it, it is illegal to have the constitution
rolled for smoking it. The flag can't be burned, no
hippies can smoke the constitution like thomas jefferson did.

Justice for the rich, and begger the rest.

Make them respect your authority, brandish your gun.

America is the greatest nation on earth and our kids
don't do drugs at all, they are clear eyed and
ready for battle, ready to die for the cause of
global empire and earthly dominion.

Unzip the bomb bay and have a pee.

/poetic liberty

[Nederland]

57. Agreed

The problem here is not that people were photographed in a public place, the problem is idiotic drug laws.

[OnyxCollie]

58. Agreed. Now, spark it up! nt

[spacelady]

83. No, it shows how fucking brave some people are, that in the occurrence

of "warnings" they very peacefully exhibited civil disobedience in the face of outdated and wrongheaded "laws". It has NOTHING to do with destroying property or vandalism. Who was hurt? Who suffered a loss? Smoking pot should not be a crime, as you said it is "unfortunate" that it is illegal - it is more than that because anti-pot laws ruin people's lives for no other reason than a beneficial plant has been demonized. Don't give me that "people are stupid" crap. You just go and live in your self-righteous bubble and don't let me catch you doing something stupid.

[OnyxCollie]

96. No, it shows that you are unaware of what the executive branch

of government does, and that is to enforce laws, not make them. If they want pot legalized, they should gather signatures for a petition to present to their legislators, or start an interest group and become lobbyists, or run for office themselves -NOT get baked on 4/20 in full view of cops with cameras AFTER THEY'VE BEEN WARNED. Don't confuse bravery with stupidity. This isn't fascism, it's social darwinism. Perhaps you should take a civics course before you say something stupid again.

[tkmorris]

100. That really is enough

You may disagree with somebody but that sort of anger and outright hostility toward a fellow DU'er is exactly what has been dragging this place down of late. Would you mind ever so terribly toning down the rhetoric a notch or taking it elsewhere?

Thanks in advance.

[OnyxCollie]

109. If you examine the posts

you will see I was the one who was defending myself from an attack from a fellow DU'er. Maybe all the anger around here is the result of objectivity being lost when a group takes a side on a issue. I first responded to this thread on the surveillance aspect. I had been studying surveillance laws recently, and understood the police where operating within their legal limits, and in accordance with the Fourth Amendment. I did not believe this is "fascism".

However, I get annoyed when I am accused of living in a "self-righteous bubble" and warned that I better not be caught doing something stupid by a fellow DU'er. How do we know these kids were staging an act of civil disobedience in order to change pot laws (besides "celebrating" 4/20)? Did they call the press beforehand, so that their protest would get attention? Have they said they would continue to protest by smoking in the same restricted area? Have any refused to pay fines? (Moderators: I am not advocating this.) If they really wanted to send a message, if this truly was some noble gesture, they could have all grown a plant and stood in the field holding their potted pot above their heads. Now THAT would be ballsy. Incredibly, stunningly stupid, but ballsy. Nothing like facing felony prison time to drive a point home.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

132. That's not the point I'm trying to make. It's about the rapid erosion....

...of civil rights under the NeoCon Junta.

Taking pictures of kids smoking pot in a park is just another manifestation of the erosion of our individual rights that has been taking place since December 2000. What were those kids doing that damaged any property, or infringed on the rights of anyone else?

Yes, there are some "fucking stupid" things going on in this country, but those kids aren't the ones creating the mess.

[rman]

101. You do know this is more then "taking pictures", don't you?

[JuniperLea]

42. Beat... Busted... Catholic

Ain't got no grass
Ain't got no acid
Ain't got no clothes
Ain't got no pad
Ain't got no apples
Ain't got no knife
Ain't got no guns
Ain't got no garbage
Ain't got no draft card

Can't take no trip
Can't blow my mind
You're full of puss
You're full of piss
We got balls
Can't cut you up
We got bananas
White trash
Burned it burned it burned it

Ain't got no earth
Ain't got no fun
Ain't got no bike
Ain't got no pimples
Ain't got no trees
Ain't got no air
Ain't got no water
City
banjo
toothpicks
shoelaces
teachers
football
telephone
records
doctor
brother
sister
uniforms
machine guns
airplanes
air force
germs
M-1 (bang bang bang)
M-2 (bang bang bang)
A bombs
H bombs
P bombs
Q bombs
Chinese checks
Hindus
Bindus
Italianos
Polacks
Germans
Youse
Jews
Ups and downs
Vietnam, Johnson, high school, sex, coffee, books,
food, scissors, magazines, news, cigarettes,
Hollywood, Tuesday Weld,
Burton-Taylor, pop art, pop off, popcorn, popsicle,
Andy Warpop, pop paper, pop up,
Popeye, poppers,England, outer space,
astronauts, Jesus, air, air, air, air, air, air...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

43. In Ann Arbor -we used to have an annual hash bash & pot poss. was $5 fine

Guess that's the difference between Colorado and Michigan.

[lvx35]

46. The moral of the story is, if you are smoking pot in a field under

video survelliance, wear sunglasses and a baseball hat...none of those guys have been identified ! ;)

[spanone]

50. It's good to see a little old civil disobedience.

This encourages me, the college kids have been a scary lot. The children of the Yuppies.

[soothsayer]

52. Do you win a free brown shirt? How about if you turn in your folks?

[Generic Other]

60. I bet identified students will form a club and wear their notoriety

like a badge of honor.

They should make t-shirts and sell them to earn money for an end-of-the-year party!!

[hexola]

61. At Penn State we had "Marijuana Day"

For weeks leading up to Marijuana Day we rolled sage joints...hundreds and hundreds of them. The joints were laid out on tables on Old Main lawn...bands played...lots of people smoking legal doobies...

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1992/09/09-21-92tdc/09-21-92dnews-2.asp

[Joe Fields]

62. The Bush regime has most certainly ushered in a new type of McCarthyism

[rug]

66. I want to know who Image 145 is.

[Karmakaze]

67. Nobody seesm to have noticed this...

But if police and security personel were there, why didnt they prevent the students getting into the park in the first place? Why didnt they arrest people breaking the law? Can the university tell cops not to arrest people smoking drugs because they will deal with it internally?

Jack Rabbit posted a picture that appears to show a cop not enforcing the law - why is he just standing there and not asking people to leave? Why is he not arresting drug smokers or seizing their drugs? Could it be that this web page is being used as, and was intended to be used as an extra-judicial punishment?

As far as I am aware you have to be asked to leave the property before you can be charged with trespass. If the guards and cops let them onto the property and didnt ask them to leave, isnt that the same as giving them permission to be there? If there are not going to be any criminal charges against these people, isnt posting their images on a webpage not only an invasion of privacy, but also potential libel?

[SPKrazy]

69. Don't Smoke Pot In Public

Or don't smoke it at all.

When I was young and did things like that, we usually tried to hide it.

How are they getting pics? They are smoking it in public. Flaunting it as far as I can tell.

That's how you get busted.

I thouht Colorado had pretty liberal laws, maybe that's just in Denver.

But this is in Boulder, can't get much more liberal than that.

Approximately 40 signs were posted on all sides of the field advising that the field was closed and that video and photographic surveillance was going to be used on and around the field that day. A photo of one of the signs is shown to the right.

Those individuals who are pictured below and on additional pages were photographed on the field during the closure hours as posted on the signs.

[lumberjack_jeff]

73. Why do you think they call it dope? n/t

[Bill McBlueState]

117. your entire post

Your entire post assumes the police and the laws are fundamentally correct, and that our job as citizens is to obey whatever laws exist, no matter whether they're just.

It's hard to stand up for progressive ideals when you take that attitude toward authority.

[degreesofgray]

70. The War on Drugs is a war

on common sense!

[treestar]

71. So this town obviously doesn't have any real crime in it

Since they have time for this.

[AuntPatsy]

74. Oh Cool perhaps our next presidential appointee is amongst those

photo ops, after all, its nothing to be ashamed of and it obvious does not take away your chance to become this countrys commander and chief...

[SPKrazy]

75. This Idiots Deserve What They Get

they went on the field when the posted signs, event staff, police, etc. said that the field was closed.

I don't know how they got on, but they obviously knew what they were doing and willfully broke the law trespassing, and then they were brazenly smoking pot.

Fucking idiotic to be pissed about this.

[Karmakaze]

86. You do not know how they got on?

Even with all the guards and cops, not only did they get on, but they did so without being told to leave and without being arrested. Why? Why did the guards just let them go then put their pictures on the net? If they were serious about enforcing this, why did they not arrest them on the spot?

Something is majorly wrong with this.

[sweetheart]

105. I phoned them last night and chatted with the officer...

at the boulder police or whatever that (303) number goes to.

He said it was a "repeated problem" of disrespect for authority,
and that the campus police needed to establish their authority.

He said that the students, if identified, would recieve a "strike"
and not be referred to criminal prosecution.

What i noticed, in reflecting our conversation, and the officer
was not harsh with me, so we had a chat, and i told him it was
disturbing to put that sort of thing online, that people all over
the world can see them hunting down a bunch of chidlren, for peets sake.

He, being a police man, is very focused on authority. He can't
conceive of a world without authority, or where his authority is
one that is designed to allow peaceful protest against its tyranny.

Its a political move, against those who champion the politics of cannabis,
any more than arresting a bunch of gay people for having sex on that
ground. If there were a real crime, would they put the footage on the
internet? Its goddam scary that web page, what next... gay people
demonstrating, "identified".

The police man did not accept that he is acting as a political agent for
one party in a one party state, and that as much as he wants authority,
it does not come from the governed, hence why he's trying to arrest
and muck with a whole lotta people more than talk like him.

If i were in boulder, i would fire the authoritarians, they're no help
to civility, political dissent and the first amendment right to
demonstrate for a political cause peacefully without being arrested.

That its not a charge for tresspass, says it all what their eup to.

Another thing from the officer, I said denver has made cannabis legal
in small amounts... and he said it was federal. What, is he from
washington, does he have to wear a black uniform with lightning
bolts on it... federal thought crime prosecutor. But he's just a
tool, an man working as an inquisitor for the federales, a loyal
minion of empire.

He's proving to me that the drugs war will not end peacefully, and it
might take some more intense direct action to prove that the authority
to erode civil liberties is not part of the police mission in a
civil state.

I'm still reflecting on that conversation. Its not usual for me
to chat with a drugs war coolaid believer, who does not have any
respect for individual choice or liberty, or he would not so religiously
enforce the very repression of those values. But he doesn't see it
that way, he thinks that his authority is right, and freedom and
choice are subsidiary values to the authroity of the single party property state.
Which makes him a monarchist in america, the new norm.

[IndyOp]

76. Do not break the law. Change the law. (And do not do what pigs do here).

I do not like the police technique. Period. I don't want cameras used on me or anyone else.

I am going to go ahead and let fly a couple of thoughts that I have had at each of the threads that have covered this event -- each of the threads has had approving, "Awwww they're smokin' a little weed, that's wonderful" comments in it.

BULLSHIT.

It is against the law. If they don't like the law they should change it. I'll be happy to sign a 'legalize pot' petition, I think it is ridiculous that it is illegal. So long as it is illegal, then they are supporting organized crime and violence by smoking. (Unless they are growing it in their bedroom closets - which is possible, but not likely). Legalize pot - please! Then if you got 'em, smoke'em. Until then, no.

Also: I work at a Big 10 campus and I am sick to hell and back with students who do not give a shit - too busy with beer and drugs and sex to do a damned thing for anyone else or even to pick up an f*'ing book. Smoking weed may gain you respect from your friends, but if you want respect from me then DO SOMETHING to make this a better world.

I am not amused by the events in the pictures.

And, again, I am also not approving of the police hidden-cam and snitch on a friend campaign.

[Der Blaue Engel]

95. That's all fine for recreational smokers

But what about the medicinal uses that people are denied? If someone's going through chemo and they smoke pot, by your reasoning, they should just wait until it's legalized, because otherwise they're criminals and deserve what they get. (And I happen to know of a lot of people who grow it in their yards and closets, actually.)

By the same token, many of my sexual practices are considered unlawful under archaic and intrusive laws. Should I just patiently wait and lobby for a change in the laws and not engage in this naughty, illegal behavior that is no one's business but the consenting adults involved?

And when abortion is outlawed, I should behave and not engage in any of that unlawful behavior, too, I guess.

BTW, I gave birth unlawfully in 1991, as an act of civil disobedience and exercising my rights as a human being to give birth in my own home without the attendance of a doctor. It was people like me and my midwives who helped overturn the stupid laws. That is what civil disobedience is all about: protesting laws that are WRONG.

edited for egregious grammar

[IndyOp]

108. Immediately I agree with you!! Medical uses are so important that

breaking the law is justified. No doubt in my mind. Medical marijuana should be prescribed by a doctor, grown and smoked in a controlled location.

And as for the sexual practices and your home birth (congratulations!) -- you did not support any criminal and violent activity in so doing.

I do understand that civil disobedience is all about protesting laws that are WRONG. The college kids on Farrand field were not engaged in civil disobedience, they were smoking pot in a place they thought they would not get caught. Civil disobedience should be done publicly or revealed afterwards (which you did with your home birth) and it is only half the battle - then the law has to be changed.

I used to be a whole lot more lassez faire in regards to smoking pot. I was a 'cool' prof who emphasized what is true to the best of my knowledge: Alcohol will do a whole lot more damage to your brain (and life) than smoking pot will, so if you are under 21 and feel the need to break a law, smoke pot. Then I listened to the liberal Mayor of Minneapolis talk about the fact that, at least for his area, the drug cash crop is pot - not cocaine, crack, heroin, or meth. The drug violence in his area centers around pot. Hearing that was a come-uppance for me. I am now far less tolerant about recreational use of pot.

Though as you can probably tell from my post, I am mostly really pissed about being surrounded by a generation of college students who have nothing more on their minds than their new laptop, iPod, cellphone, computer game, and tonight's beer chugging contest. It is the end of the semester and I HATE the "whining/manipulating for grades" that goes on during the last week of the semester. :eyes: I will get over it, teach a new class starting next week (fresh start), and will be looking forward to the possibilities of a new year by next August. Hope springs eternal - if it doesn't get out of teaching! :)

:hi:

[Der Blaue Engel]

128. College students

I remember it being much the same when I was in college 20 years ago, though; most of the students were vapid little twerps spending Daddy's money...it's the few in the crowd who are actually there to learn that matter. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[SOS]

77. Will they set up their cameras

at this weekend's keg party on frat row?
The drinking age in Colorado is 21. Or do they not enforce that law?

[high density]

80. Actually it looks like a college "Police Department" with too much time on

their hands and a digital camera.

I think the kids get an F in discreetness but this seems like a waste of time, bandwidth, and money. I think it was stupid of the students and it is also pretty stupid of the college to advertise on their website that they've got so many potheads hanging around.

[CoffeeCat]

81. Interesting blog/comments from a Colo student on the field...

http://www.thecampuspress.com/cpblogs/node/166

Apparently Tim McGraw, public information officer for the CUPD, was relegated to dejectedly watching pot smokers on Farrand Field this afternoon from a nearby bench. So was his police force.

This morning, police and security put up signs saying that Farrand Field would be closed from Noon- 5 p.m. this evening, presumably to keep students off the field at 4:20 p.m. and to keep them from smoking pot. Like that would work; many students just sat across the street, surrounding the field and just waiting to pounce like predators. More below the fold ...

Apparently students didn't think closing the field was fair, so sometime before 5 p.m. they defied CUPD's and the Vice Chancellor's order and began jumping the fence. They are now all subject to being referred to judicial affairs.

Do you think anyone will get kicked out of school or even put on probation for this? I don't know, but what I do know is that in all the years that CUPD has been "referring" students to judicial affairs, I haven't heard of one student facing punishment for their "use" on Farrand field. If I am wrong, please correct me.
And through all this, CUPD didn't feel the need to mobilize their force. It is apparently a small force not equipped to deal with hundreds of people defying the law. Last year, CUPD turned sprinklers on the students on Farrand Field. This year, they stood around and watched.
"It's a class-2 petty offense, smoking marjiuana," McGraw told a Campus Press reporter.
As if it still wasn't the law. Having less than an ounce of pot is a petty offense, punishable by a $100 fine. An ounce of pot is what, $400?

(more at link)

http://www.thecampuspress.com/cpblogs/node/166

[Freedom_Aflaim]

84. Help me out. I don't get it???

Why was the park closed and why was a bunch of people there?

Its almost reads as if the park was closed BECAUSE the school knew a bunch of people would be there and they waited with cameras waiting.

Whats the backstory?

(On edit: Ok so I read that most were smoking pot. Was it national smoke a joint day or something?..Im still fairly confused)

[AwakeAtLast]

88. Don't worry, I don't really either

But that could be because it's almost 12:30 a.m. :boring:

:hi:

[LostinVA]

106. "420"/"4:20" -- code for getting stoned

So... April 20 is getting stoned day.

However, I don't get the field thing, either... and it does look like the campus officials were very much baiting the students -- if you work on a campus, you KNOW something like that is like putting out nice, juicy meat for a dog, then hitting them when they eat it. They should have put up signs saying the field was the only authorized "4/20 Day" gathering place -- then hardly anyone would have showed up...

Most of the dweebs were probably smoking the legal, killer weed anyway...

The whole thing is stupid and smacks of campus suits showing who's the boss. Another common occurrence if you work on a campus.

[BoneDaddy]

89. very disturbing

Big Brother is watching

[moondust]

91. Definitely KGB.

Spying and informing on your neighbors is one of the cornerstones of totalitarianism doncha know.

[Yollam]

107. Looks like teens having dumb teen fun.

They are being "identified" because they...smoked pot? Is that it?

Fascist or pathetic nanny state, I don't know, but what an amazing waste of the authorities' time.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

113. i think their main goal was to bust the kids for trespassing

not for drugs. I'm not sure if you can convict someone for smoking illegal narcotics from a picture or a video. I would think you need the actual drug so it can be tested.

It's also a hamhanded scare tactic to keep kids in line.

[Katherine Brengle]

114. Um, they were breaking the law and knew they were being taped--

why am I outraged again?

I don't feel sorry for anyone who is that stupid, sorry.

[NoPasaran]

115. Smoking pot in front of police cameras

I think I remember why they call it dope!

[PunkPop]

116. It would take a real asshole to call and help identify these people

for the police.

[bj2110]

122. Look at the size of what this dude is smoking:

damn

[slybacon9]

124. That's hysterical! Back in my day i would have been sitting with my bong

in front of that camera. Damn, to be in school again....

[bunkerbuster1]

125. 50 bucks buys how many pieces of silver today?

Jesus wept.

[katty]

127. lordy! in Berkeley this 'headstone'(no pun)looking sign would be

totally shattered.

[PATRICK]

129. So they pay out $10,000

And expel or merely drive away by a harsh slapdown.... 200 tuition paying students!!? There exists a college that can AFFORD to do that? Do they get some faith based grant or something for emptying their university?

This amounts to an ugly push and shove situation that ultimately the school should lose badly, starting from their thuggish methods up to their idiotic absence of real world economics- no matter what issue has them hopping mad.

If it was a 200 person gang rape they would be covering it over if not up and tapping their payees on the wrist.

Fascist fantasy land: actions determined by spite and anger made possible by power and stupidity.

[likesmountains 52]

130. Why was Farrand closed in the first place? It is not actually a park

or anything, more like a large green field in the middle of a cluster of dormitories on campus...I guess I am just curious why they bothered photographing all these people..if they really wanted them off the field for some reason why didn't they just put some security offices there? I was a resident in Farrand Hall in 1970....I guess I can relate to a bunch of 20 something year olds ignoring the signs...

[rucky]

131. cops have been doing this for years at Madison

not to say that makes it ok.

just to say we were living in a facist state under Clinton, too.