Lost souls, will they ever come around?

[fencesitter]

So, today a couple comes into my store, and over-hearing the news on NPR I had on, struck up a dialogue about Iraq, the dishonesty and cronyism in the Bush administration, how their so ashamed of the direction of the country, etc. (people do this a lot in my place, don't know why). After a bit, I asked them maybe we ought to vote for a regime change, restore the checks and balances in our government and vote in more Democratic candidates. Well, they looked at me like I just asked them to bend over for a rectal exam and exclaimed, "huh?" Vote for a Democrat? Like, am I nuts? You think things are bad now, just put Democrats in charge. Unthinkable. I kindly nodded, said have a nice day, enjoy the spring weather. bye!
I've heard this quite a few times lately. Folks around here just want a "better" Republican, wouldn't consider voting for a Dem. Weird. I'm in SE Pennsylvania by the way.

[walldude]

1. Yeah cause things were so awful during Clinton's administration

:eyes: I gave up on the "base" a long time ago. They are either too stupid or too brainwashed to "get it".

[Mythsaje]

2. "Just remember folks, Bush was the Republican Poster Boy...

...until it all went South."

[OldLeftieLawyer]

3. It's not casual conversation for many people,

and going right into a Democratic takeover will, in that part of the Commonwealth (I'm from a bit north of where you are - Schuylkill County) is simply going to put people off.

Try a lighter approach next time. Let them come up with the idea of "regime change." People are more easily led when they think they're leading.

It's still such a terrifically conservative Commonwealth, PA, but it'll be nice to see Santorum get booted.

[saltpoint]

7. You said it, OldLeftieLawyer. I won't miss Santorum one iota. /nt

[fencesitter]

9. And Sanscrotum..

They'll keep him just to keep a Dem out. It's infuriating. They don't like Rick the Dick, but no way will they allow themselves to be represented by a Democrat.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

11. Wanna bet?

I say Casey - and he'll win big.

[fencesitter]

12. I so hope you're right.

n/p

[fencesitter]

15. I get hit with John Corzine...

See? you get a Democrat governor and the first thing he does is raise taxes! SEE? Groan.

[saltpoint]

4. You have to go back to Lincoln to find a good Republican.

That's an exaggeration, but not a huge exaggeration.

I could handle Lowell Weicker. Chuck Percy had his moments. And maybe a few others here and there.

But it'd be barely enough for a poker game.

:dem: :dem: :dem: :dem: :dem: :dem: :dem: :dem:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

14. No, there was another one

It's late. I'm thinking. There was a Republican we didn't hate.

This is hard. It's been a long day.

I GOT IT!

NIXON!

heh heh heh

Nighty-night, buddy ..............................

(PS - great little Talk Of The Town piece in the new New Yorker about how the Nixon "Library" never had his papers - the Archives did - and they're finally getting them, so the Nixon Library will have a library. Doesn't that just figure? And Tricia and Julie aren't speaking to each other because of it! I'm just sick about those poor girls............)

[bluerum]

17. Ike.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

19. Jeez,

are you OLD!

Ike wasn't a Republican, not like they are today.

He was sort of this bald guy who showed up and played golf and then went away.

He has some people around him, though, who were crazy as coots. Would have fit right in with the rightwingnuts we have today.

[bluerum]

33. Yeah - this bald guy who help win WWII and won the election

based on a REAL military record.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

34. Yeah, that bald guy

Now, were we talking about Ike as a President or as a general?

You got confused. This happens.

It's all right.

[bluerum]

35. Thanks for pointing out my confusion - so kind of you.

If there is such a thing, Ike was a "good" republican. He may have been a crappy president - military men typically are but in my mind he was an honest Joe - as far as republicans go. And had a real war record to run on. Not like the current lying moron whose presence currently defiles the white house.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

37. You're welcome - like General Ike,

I live to serve.

On the asswipe in the White House, oh, yes, my friend, we do agree.

Republicans back then - I remember them - were very different from what they purport to be today. The whole Congress is different, dynamics, loyalties, cooperation, compatabilities.

We have a lot to thank Tom DeLay, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, and, of course, Fuckface, for the horrid state of affairs on so many levels.

Eisenhower made a nice jacket, too. Still a classic. But, boy, that Mamie. She had a hollow leg, that one. And I still can't get over the grandson marrying Julie Nixon, even when he knew his grandfather hated The Big Dick Veep he got stuck with.

Ah, it's good to be old ..................

[saltpoint]

21. Ike wasn't even a good golfer.

[saltpoint]

20. Nixon!? Good god! 'If ya can't say anything nice...etc."

Night-night right back & see you on the morrow.

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[OldLeftieLawyer]

32. And, if he were here today,

he'd be a Democrat.

Besides, I barely remember TR.

heh heh heh

OK, I'm not THAT old.

[magellan]

5. Lost souls like those won't come around

The best you can do is hope they just won't vote. But I applaud you for raising the topic for discussion, it can't hurt!

[MADem]

6. Well, in that case, ya just gotta tell them, if there's a lousy GOP type

on the ballot, to register their earnest and strong dissatisfaction by JUST STAYING HOME.

Rove wrote the book on voter suppression...the fucker shouldn't be surprised if we crib from his fetid tome.

[Zookeeper]

8. I'm familiar with that attitude, unfortunately.

I had a few heated arguments with a neighbor prior to the 2004 election. He thought Bush was an idiot and Cheney was a crook, but planned to vote for them anyway because he couldn't imagine voting for a Democratic candidate.

I still hear from rethugs who think things are terrible, but think they would have been worse if Kerry had been elected....:wtf:

[Sinti]

10. Have faith, even George Wallace finally came around

Of course that was after he was shot, and Shirley Chisholm, bold and substantial individual that she was, went to visit him in his hospital room out of concern, but he did come around. :)

[babylonsister]

13. Would explaining to them that repugs aren't getting it done work?

Their prez is a putz and we need new blood?

[txindy]

16. The price of gas is a good point to toss at them.

"Remember when gas was $1.30/gallon? Back in the prosperous days. When was that? About 1992-2000, somewhere in there, right?"

They get all nostalgic about gas prices and bring up the surplus we had then, too. Eventually the conversation comes around to who was in charge back then. And it wasn't Junior.

People like that like reminiscing. Lead them down that path and point out the landmarks along the way. ;)

[genieroze]

18. I'm surprised they didn't say that it's better then Clinton's BJ.

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[Der Blaue Engel]

23. Quite a bit of Democrat bashing in your first few posts

Can't wait to hear what you have to say next.

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[Tsiyu]

30. First off, Gore AND Kerry won

They were successful in getting the word out to the voter. In organizing campaigns.

Gore's victory was stolen by activist Supreme Court judges who chose to take the decision out of the voters' hands.

Kerry's victory was dashed by out-and-out thievery and malfeasance.



You want order, decorum, guts and action?

A Democrat ordered our budget into a surplus.

Democrats had the decorum NOT to publicly humiliate Newt Gingrich - a whore dog if ever there was one - or any Republican even after they skewered Clinton for his sexual naughtiness.


Guts? Do Repukes really think they are all that brave? The way they talk about women, the sick, the weak and the poor, I could hardly call them manly men. The way their draft-aged kids avoid military service calls into question any bravery in their bloodlines. And Kerry didn't have to prove anything to anybody. The media should have asked where Bush was when he went AWOL. There is extensive documentation of Kerry's whereabouts during wartime.

AS for action, I saw Gore, after Katrina, sweaty and exhausted and shunning publicity, saving several hundred people from a New Orleans hospital.

All of your arguments are completely laughable, and any fool who tried to use them in a debate with me would be blushing like the idiot they are for believing such childish, uninformed horse shit. With apologies to manure everywhere.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

31. I can't help but note

that many disaffected Republicans had no problem with the GOP's long-standing antisocial agenda until they were personally affected by Bush's dismantling of the safety nets put in place by Dems; and now, faced with the inevitable culmination of GOP leadership, they are shocked to discover that they are treated no better than any other segment their beloved "traditional conservatives" have long disenfranchised.

And now that it's them, and not some black, or gay, or tree-hugger, or union worker, or welfare mom etc., it's no longer an intellectual exercise. Now it's time for Dems to step up to the plate and help them, because they're in trouble too. Now it's time to abandon extremists and help the typical man in the street. Because all those others, they don't vote so they don't count.

Well, fuck that shit. Almost half of your "average voters" cast their ballots against George Bush. And if your idea of the traditional Democratic stance is based on 30+ years of lies from the GOP smear machine, I would say you are not yet an ex-Republican.

[Rocknrule]

24. If Bush blew up the world, they'd say "Think how much more blown up

the world would be if a Dem were in office!"

Just before getting vaporized, that is

[rucky]

25. What do you expect in Pennsyltucky? n/t

[sweetheart]

26. racism, the real republican value

People are not able to say their real reason for voting republican,
as everyone knows its not PC to say it... even remotely PC, but the
party consensus is Racist... republicans are today, filling the
prisons with dark skinned folks, and its all cool.

But nobody can come out and say it, so they just wish for better
republicans, and laugh that the democrats are standing generally
against racism... unthinkable.

[mmonk]

36. Yep, or hate or greed (they think the corporate tax cuts

will make them rich).

[rman]

27. I wonder whether it would matter if W has 0% support.

Anyway, some will never come around.