Old, sick, disgusting, and well-circulated joke about date rape

[raccoon]

I remember hearing this in the ‘80’s, but I’m sure it is older than that. I think it’s pretty mainstream too. Which makes a big statement about our society.

The “joke” follows:


Guy pulls over to the side of the road. His date says, "You're not going to pull the old 'out of gas' routine are you?" The guy says, "No, I'm going to pull the 'here after' routine." "What's that?" The girl asked. The guy says, "If you're not here after what I'm here after, you'll be here after I'm gone."

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[ThomCat]

1. I've never heard that.

And, honestly, I could have happily lived my life without ever hearing that joke. :(

It does show, very clearly, the common idea that what the woman wants/feels isn't important.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. Entitlement/gatekeeper mentality

Very pervasive and responsible for a host of ills, from the annoying "Nice Guy" syndrome, to abstinence-only sex miseducation, all the way up to rape.

[BlueIris]

3. "(T)he annoying 'Nice Guy' syndrome"?

Just out of curiosity...what is that?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. Oh you know the type

Most straight women have gone out with at least one. They perpetually wail about how they are not getting laid by hot babes because women would rather date jerks than nice guys* like them. So much easier to blame women for their lack of dating success than it is to honestly assess their own flaws. The Internets are crawling with them. There's actually a Nice Guy blog. It's chock full of the most misogynistic vitriol you have ever seen, written by guys who think they are princes. A rather large subset of them have decided that the problem lies with American women. Our liberation has made us too uppity and demanding, unlike the women from Eastern and Third World countries who know how to appreciate a man. Real nice, huh?



*Not to be confused with genuinely nice guys - those who love and respect women. They typically have no problem attracting mates.

[BlueIris]

5. Ohhhh. Okay.

I didn't know if Nice Guy Syndrome was the same as "nice guy whining about not getting the sex he thinks he automatically deserves from every woman he goes out with simply because she is there and female." Yeah, I know that type.

[raccoon]

6. One possible explanation for this “nice guy” syndrome:

"…many of the guys arguing for the "women don't date nice guys" are not interested in dating any ole "nice girl." They want to date a hot babe. Now, the hot babe who has got herself all together really *can* land the guy who is "all that, and a bag of chips." (i.e., a hot guy who has it all together--mazel tov, you beautiful and together couple!) So, for the guy who is merely "all that" but not "the bag of chips" (or the "bag of chips," but not really "all that"), the best shot at getting a hot babe is to go for the hot-but-messed-up babe. Messed up women *do* often date jerks (that I will definitely conceed). So, in a nutshell, why do these guys get their undies all in a wad about the messed up women who date jerks? Because maybe their only chance with a hot babe is with such types of "damaged goods." "

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.marriage/browse_thread/thread/aacf8cf51f8faef6/d19767f6c329b15b?lnk=st&q=mazel+tov+hot+babe&rnum=1#d19767f6c329b15b

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. That's a pretty good take on it

Definitely fits many of the guys I've known. Fortunately, some of them grow up and realize that character and compatibility are more important than whether or not other guys think your partner is "hawt".

[spooky3]

11. I've seen similar things

I have been fortunate to have had many nice guy friends in my life, but when a few of them have complained about the "women only want jerks and I'm too nice" it is ALWAYS because they are seeking someone who is much more physically attractive than themselves. (Never someone who is much smarter, or much more athletic, or much funnier, etc.) They really have convinced themselves that they are 10's, so the only possibly explanation MUST be that the women they seek are irrationally attracted to jerks, i.e., men who aren't as good as they are. A related complaint is that "women are only interested in men who make a lot of money" from men who have modest incomes AND want only the prettiest women. Well, duh, SOME of the prettiest women who have nothing else to offer may in fact want to exchange it for the best meal ticket that they can find or for a similarly pretty man--why isn't that a fair trade?

If these nice guys would try (a) being realistic about their own strengths and weaknesses and (b) seeking women who have qualities similar to their own, rather than caring so much about beauty, they would realize where the problem really lies and quickly solve it.

[SemperEadem]

9. oh, you mean

90% of the guys who post on askmen.com? LOL

The guys who are of that mindset (I'M NOT SAYING ALL GUYS, SO PLEASE NOTE THAT BEFORE POSTING YOUR COMPLAINTS--I'VE SAID THE GUYS OF *THAT* MINDSET) feel that they are entitled to a relationship with a woman based solely on the fact that they have the interest; nevermind that the woman is not interested--and isn't obliged to be. Each person is certainly entitled to their preferences in a romantic partner and no one is required or obligated to dismiss theirs just because someone they're not interestred in wants to date them.

There have been guys I've been interested in who have not been interested in me, but I don't then turn bitter against every man walking the planet just because one wasn't interested.

[raccoon]

10. Yes! "Entitlement!"

As if they're entitled to take all the coochie they want, whenever they want, just because they want it.

[raccoon]

7. It always pissed me off.

Even in the decades before the phrase "date rape" much less the concept entered the mainstream.

Oh, way back when, it was, "The girl sets the pace!" (The exact words I heard a speaker saying at my school, early 1960's.) Meaning, the level of sexual intimacy on a date depended entirely on the girl (sic).