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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:01 AM
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Asking for her hand in marriage - after asking permission from daddy
Edited on Tue Oct-09-07 08:05 AM by wicket
Please vote in http://www.boston.com/yourlife/weddings/proposal_permission">the poll as well. It's currently pretty barthworthy.

Do you approve of the practice of a man asking a woman's father for permission to marry?

Yes, I think a man should ask permission.
51.3%
It depends on the couple.
28.5%
No, I don't think a man should ask permission.
20.2%
Total votes: 193

Boston.com's surveys are not scientifically valid. They reflect the opinions of only those who vote.

Asking for her hand - after asking permission

Before Bob Hunt dropped to bended knee on the famed Cliff Walk in Newport, R.I., and asked his high school sweetheart to marry him, he’d taken her father to dinner at a Chili’s restaurant and sought his permission.

‘‘Because I have such a great relationship with her family,’’ Hunt says, ‘‘it makes it that much more important that I ask for permission.’’

Reviving a tradition that seemingly went the way of the flapper and Prohibition, young men like Hunt these days are talking to their intendeds’ parents before popping the question. While there are no numbers to track the trend, call a bridal store or wedding venue or otherwise inquire among the betrothed and the newlywed and their parents and it is easy to find examples. Jenna Bush’s fiancé, Henry Hager, reportedly had a private tête-à-tête with her father, the president, before he proposed one summer morning at sunrise atop Cadillac Mountain in Maine. What these young men embrace as a gesture of courtesy and respect has roots in an era when women had few rights and little opportunity.

‘‘It was a fairly common practice based on the notion of making alliances between families and passing the daughter who was legally the property of the father onto the husband,’’ says Temple University historian Beth Bailey. ‘‘What we’re seeing right now is an odd combination of young people with progressive sentiments and a real desire for conventional gender roles and arrangements’’

Hunt, a 25-year-old salesman from Attleboro, has long known that Stefanie Brennock, whose parents are divorced, expected that anyone who wanted to marry her would talk to them first. ‘‘It’s just the parents handing over the daughter to a new guy and taking care of me,’’ says Brennock, 24, an assistant manager at a bridal store.

The evening before he took Brennock to Newport, Hunt dined with her father. ‘‘It was an out-of-body experience. My soul was looking down at the table,’’ Hunt says. ‘‘I’d prepared what I wanted to say. But looking back I don’t remember saying it. It just started coming out.’’ Later that night, Hunt shared the news with Brennock’s mother.


:puke: :puke:

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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:39 AM
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1. I kind of waver
Between thinking (of women like this) that they're going to deserve it when they are so profoundly unhappy and can't figure out why and on the other hand feeling bad for them because they've been brainwashed.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:53 AM
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4. Agreed.
It's pretty sad when you think about it.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:29 AM
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16. This is a variation on the idea
that 'women who marry for money earn every penny.'

She will pay for this ten times over psychologically, even if the marriage endures and is reasonably happy. There is no substitute for the knowledge that you are your own person and can take of yourself.
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Samurai_Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:56 AM
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2. We're still considered chattel
‘‘It’s just the parents handing over the daughter to a new guy and taking care of me,’’ says Brennock, 24, an assistant manager at a bridal store.

I can't believe young women are throwing away all the rights we worked so hard. Handing her over to a new guy to take care of her? WTF? Can't she take care of herself? I am just shaking my head in dismay. You should be with someone because you want to share *your life* with *them*, not because you need someone to 'take care of you'.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:53 AM
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5. That's the comment that really pushed me over the edge
You should be with someone because you want to share *your life* with *them*, not because you need someone to 'take care of you'.

Amen! :hug:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:00 AM
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3. I think
that parents should be involved in the discussion, because it's good to get some additional opinions on whether or not a couple seems right. But there is no way in hell I think the parents should should have veto privilages. Nobody should need mom and dad's permission ever.

And the idea of talking to only dad, and needing his permission? :puke:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:54 AM
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6. "And the idea of talking to only dad, and needing his permission?"
Let me join you :puke:
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:08 AM
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7. If someone asked my dad for permission to marry me
that would take him off the marriageable list immediately.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:34 AM
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10. You & me both!
:hug:
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:37 PM
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11. Thirded!
Ugh, "take care of me?" No thanks, I'll do it myself.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:22 AM
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8. It's nice that the daughter understands that it's just a property transfer.
Dad's chattel is now her fiance's chattel.

This and "giving away" brides at weddings are traditions that should have gone out the window with women's suffrage.

I agree with Thomcat that it's nice to have parents as sounding boards before making the decision to get married and that it's a far cry from adults asking the father's permission to marry a woman.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 11:31 AM
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9. I posted the poll in GD
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2005188&mesg_id=2005188

Against my better judgment but I'm sure the "usual suspects" will make an appearance ;)
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 12:45 PM
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12. As I posted in the GD thread
If Papa says no, then what does our intrepid young man do?
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:00 AM
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15. Thanks for jumping in there
Greatly appreciated. Guess I'm not the only one "overreacting" :eyes:

:hug:
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:52 PM
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13. My dad would have said no.
And I wouldn't give a flying fuck. I'm not his property to give away. His initial negative opinion on my husband was based on a simple misunderstanding which has long since been settled. We've been married 14 years next february and have two fabulous children. My father, a republican, a recovering alcoholic and an absentee parent during my childhood, is not the person to decide how I spend my life, given how badly he has managed much of his.

I can understand parents wanting to take care of their kids, by making sure that their partner is a "keeper", but what makes their judgment so much better than that of the daughter who actually knows her intended intimately? Parents aren't always the ones who know best. My dad would have said no, and he would have missed out on the two best grandkids in the world.

Fortunately, my husband respects me way more than that.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 08:59 AM
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14. I think that talking to the parents
(whether it is a man or a woman doing the asking) might be a nice sign of respect to people you are going to have in your life for a long long time, but this "asking her father" shit nauseates me.
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