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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:13 PM
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KOEB Meeting 6/3/08 Shake Me, Wake Me When It's Over Edition
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 06:00 PM by BerryBush
live from Cleveland!


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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:15 PM
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1. Woohooo! The Berry and Sha-Sha Show!!!
Been looking forward to this!

:hi:

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:18 PM
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2. We're just trying to figure out what we want to order from room service
We're all fired up and ready to go(Bama)!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:19 PM
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3. If they have fried shrimp, could you order some for me?
:9

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:34 PM
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8. Shrimp cocktail or shrimp pasta
or shrimp wrap, but no fried shrimp.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:02 PM
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15. Shrimp cocktail, please!
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 06:06 PM by SeattleGirl
:9

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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:26 PM
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4. How 'bout Lasagna!
:hi: LOVE pasta:loveya:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:31 PM
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6. We're having a bit of an ID crisis here.
Sharon and I are posting from the same computer, different windows. She posted in mine accidentally to start the thread, so that was actually her, not me! :rofl:

Hello Cleveland! Rock and roll!!

This is too funny. We're ordering room service and all the entrees have corny "rock and roll" names. Sharon's having Simon & Garfunkel Salmon and I'm having the Meaty Beaty & Big Half-Pound Burger. Be sure to tell Botany. :rofl: Sure beats the Red Roof.
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:29 PM
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5. RACHEL!!!
:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:33 PM
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7. Keith looks yummy tonight.
Two purple tie nights in a row.

Three more supers for Obama!! YESSSS!! :bounce:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:35 PM
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9. Hi, Gigi
Only 11 more delegates needed. This is soooooo over!
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:45 PM
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13. Hi Berry!!! Hi Sharon!!!
:hi: I'll be back. Gonna NUKE dinner.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:37 PM
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10. This is Sharon
I just figured out what's happening. Even though we're using different windows, once we log one of us in, it takes over both windows.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:25 PM
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22. Alerting
Sock puppet. :)

:hi:, you two!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:35 PM
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24. Hi, Pats!
:rofl:

We just finished dinner and we're ready to go.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:45 PM
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32. Fired up, too?
:hi:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:45 PM
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34. Absolutely!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:48 PM
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37. An amazing night in the history of America
I've already cried once today.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:37 PM
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26. Octopus sockpuppets in honor of the Red Wings
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:40 PM
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30. Hi Sharon!
Cute sockpuppets!

BTW, I watched the games on Saturday and Monday. Man, edge of the seat stuff! Was really hoping the Wings would win last night, but they still have two games to get it done (though I hope they do it tomorrow!)

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:45 PM
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33. I don't watch hockey
Hubby stayed up for all three overtimes last night. I have no idea what time he came upstairs.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:47 PM
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36. Had to be after midnight, as it didn't end until after 9:00 pm here.
:boring:

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:51 PM
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38. I'm pretty sure it was after 1 sometime
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:52 PM
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40. It was, like, 12:30.
I don't watch hockey, but I knew they could do it last night, so as I was falling asleep in bed, and flipping around, I was it was about to be the third overtime. But I couldn't keep my eyes open.

:hi:, SG!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:54 PM
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43. Hi ya, Patsy!
:hi:

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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:13 PM
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63. My hubby was up watching the game too!
And he was SIX HOURS AHEAD IN TIME! He said he left at 7:30am, went back to hotel. Went to work at 11am.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:15 PM
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66. He must have been realllllllly tired today.
I know I've been exhausted. I was up at 4:30 to get on the road at 6:30. I almost started dozing during our training this afternoon.
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:18 PM
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72. OH YEAH!!!
He'll be back home Friday. He's hoping he doesn't work a Game 7.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:46 PM
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35. I'm confused
Why octopus sockpuppets for the Red Wings? Shouldn't it be marijuana brownies? :)
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:53 PM
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42. Marijuana brownies? Why?
Wikipedia is your friend. Here's the history of the tradition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_Octopus
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:57 PM
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46. "What's the score of the Red Wings game?"
"And I think we're dead... I really do."

:rofl:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:01 PM
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51. Duh!
My mind is an awful thing to waste...er, lose. Sorry, I totally forgot about that. How could I?

:rofl:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:38 PM
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11. Testing second browser
Now let's see if we can get this working right.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:40 PM
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12. Okay -- we can only use one login at a time
We'll now be posting as me all night and Berry will just say when it's her.

A few of the earlier posts were me, including the OP.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:06 PM
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19. We're also celebrating the 29th anniversary of my graduation from high school
says Berry, although I :blush: to say it.

"Beer, pot, sex, wine
We're the class of '79"

Food's here so we'll be eating for a bit. Keith, stop pushing Hillary as VP or I'll choke on my Jerry Garcia Merlot. (I am not kidding, that's what I ordered.)
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:08 PM
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20. Could be worse
you could have ordered the tie.....

:rofl:

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:07 PM
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56. ...
:spray:

Is that red or white?
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:01 PM
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14. Hi guys!!!
I'm so excited I could almost sh**. Tonight history is going to be made. :bounce: :bounce:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:05 PM
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18. YAY!!
About freakin' time too!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

The Clintons will finally have to exit the stage!!!!

dg
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:35 PM
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25. Hi, Mo
:hi:
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:15 PM
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Hi MO!
:hi:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:03 PM
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16. Evening all!!
:hi:

Please tonight, can we put a big "EPIC FAIL" on Hilly's picture??? Pllleeeeeeze???

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:39 PM
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29. For you:


:hi:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:51 PM
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39. Aw, thanks Pats
:loveya:

:hi:

dg
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:16 PM
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70. Hi Wolfie!
:hi:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:05 PM
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17. Hey, I got my skates today!!!
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 06:09 PM by SeattleGirl
Just took 'em for a test drive on the back patio. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

Edited to add pic:



I have the white ones.



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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:56 PM
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44. How cool!
Don't break your neck. :thumbsup:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:57 PM
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47. Is that the skating equivalent of Break a Leg?
:rofl:

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:00 PM
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50. It's the Jewish mother equivalent
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 07:01 PM by Patsy Stone
of Fear Of Injury Due To Physical Activity.

As in, "What do you want to play Baseball for?? You could get hit with the ball and put an eye out!"

:)
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:02 PM
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53. I know. At my age, my bones may be pretty fra-GIL-e


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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:22 PM
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21. Hello? Is this thing on?
Where is everyone??? :cry:

dg
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:26 PM
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23. Hi Wolvie!
I'm going back and forth between KOEB and GD-Cesspool.

:hi:

I really hope that Skinner's one-week-to-get-over-it-or-leave clock starts tonight!

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:38 PM
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28. From your mouth to Skinner's ears
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:18 PM
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71. Here's my one toe dipped into one insane thread.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:24 PM
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79. ....
:spray:

:rofl:

dg
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:27 PM
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86. You're very brave
Where in the world did you get that photo?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:30 PM
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89. Lucky, lucky Googling
I was looking for something that had nothing to do with that photo. Love when that happens.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:38 PM
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100. But you were nice to ronnyk,
so it wasn't a complete waste.

:hi:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:39 PM
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103. He's a doll.
:hi:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:12 PM
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166. Berry says:
"That was the damn funniest picture I ever saw in my life."
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:37 PM
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27. Hey, DG
We were eating our room service dinners. We're here now.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:41 PM
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31. I ran away as well.
I had to get my dinner. Italian sausage and homemade potato salad. Yummy...
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:53 PM
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41. Harold Ford
is suddenly Obama's BFF.

Ah, life.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:56 PM
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45. They want Hilly on the ticket sooooo bad don't they?
:eyes:

dg
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:59 PM
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49. I love the way she let everyone know this afternoon
that she would take the VP spot. Talk about coercion, she's a master at it
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:08 PM
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57. I'd take 10 million dollars
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 07:09 PM by Patsy Stone
But no one's yet offered it to me.

:hi:, mo! What a great night! :bounce:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:12 PM
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61. You know that's got to smart
considering she was generously offering him the VP slot a few months ago (after he pulled ahead of her).

Honestly, I hope she does not get the nod.

dg
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:13 PM
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64. You and me both.
Please, Barack. Don't ask her.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:19 PM
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73. My thoughts exactly dg, Shar, and Patsy..
I have lost all respect for both of the Clintons during this campaign.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:23 PM
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76. Dear Hilly
don't go away mad. JUST GO AWAY!

dg
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:25 PM
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82. Exactamundo.....
JUST GO AWAY!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:11 PM
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165. She's the kind of person you never want at your rummage sale.
Finally you end up saying, "Just take it and leave. It's free." :eyes:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 06:59 PM
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48. Berry says "Winning will do that to a person."
Harold says "Barack, CALL ME!" :rofl:

Pats, you guys are so mean with the FAIL picture. Aw, what the heck. :-)

So Skinner's doling out granite pizzas in a week to people who can't deal? Yea! I can finally empty my Ignore list.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:36 PM
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99. I would have just picked "FAIL"
instead of EPIC FAIL. Mark Penn deserves "EPIC FAIL", but I wanted to make DG happy.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:02 PM
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52. Hi BerryBush, Hi Everyone! Cool Building!!
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:05 PM
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54. Hey Berry is that the Rock n Roll HOF???
Never been to Cleveland.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:07 PM
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55. Yup n/t
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:14 PM
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168. M says "Well I never been to Cleveland
but I kinda like the music."

They say the ladies are insane here...
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:21 PM
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75. Hi Ralps!!!
:hi:
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. Hi GigiMommy!
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #77
95. Howard Fineman
just said, "props". There's something very wrong with that.
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:08 PM
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58. There's a reason why I don't watch
Hardball AND MTP. UGH!
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:21 PM
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74. How bout it Gigi
Between Tweety and Potato Head Russert I don't know which one is the worst.
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:33 PM
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94. I think it's a TIE!
:puke:
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:10 PM
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59. Here's tonight's LOL Kitties & Anteater!






:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :rofl:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:11 PM
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60. LOL!
I love that first one!

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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:15 PM
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67. Hi SeattleGirl!! I do too! & now you can download a LOL Kitty widgit for your
computer/cellphone! http://icanhascheezburger.com/widgets/

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:12 PM
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62. Catpoles!
:rofl:

:hi:, ralps!
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #62
69. Hi Patsy! LOL
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :rofl:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:13 PM
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65. I always suspected Berry and Sharon were the same person.
:7

Hi, everyone!

Happy happy joy joy!



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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Just for tonight.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #68
170. "You have no idea what a relief it is,
she says as Berry, "not to have to try to post as two different people from two different computers at once, for a change."

Whew. :rofl:
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #65
80. Hi Bleever!
:hi: I LOVE Ren and Stimpy!!!!

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #80
87. Just be careful not to get
SPACE MADNESS.



Happy end of the primaries!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #65
92. Time for a dip in the Bleever Pond
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 07:33 PM by Botany
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #92
96. Jackson Hole?
Grand Tetons?

Both sound sexist.

Happy end of the primaries. We made it.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:24 PM
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78. Did I ever tell all of you that you are my Fav?


What a night! The child of a single parent household is about to become
the democratic nominee for President of the United States.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #78
84. And a biracial one at that!
:bounce: :bounce:

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:27 PM
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85. I have to admit that I am a little emotional right now ....
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=497985...

Obama Becomes First Black Democratic Presidential Nominee

The Third African American Senator Since Reconstruction Makes History
By JENNIFER PARKER
June 3, 2008

After a bruising battle, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has won enough delegates to clinch the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, ABC News projects based on exit polls and reporting.

Obama, D-Ill., becomes the first African-American major party presidential candidate in the nation's history.

But the candidate emerges battered after a bitter, five-month fight against Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., who was vying to become the party's first female presidential nominee and was once considered the likely nominee.

Delivering soaring speeches tied to a popular message of hope and change, Obama's insurgent candidacy inspired record-breaking campaign contributions, record turnout by black voters, and wide support from independents, liberals, young voters, and high-income, better-educated Democrats.

Although he won the majority of primary contests -- 33 to Clinton's 20, not including Michigan and Florida -- the Illinois senator struggled to win the support of white, blue-collar voters, older voters and Hispanic voters.

The issue of race cropped up again and again for the man seeking to become the nation's first black president.

When tapes of Obama's longtime pastor excoriating America surfaced, the Illinois senator distanced himself from his pastor, and ultimately from his Chicago church, delivering a widely applauded speech on race and religion.

If Obama is elected president, he will be, at 47, among the youngest presidents in U.S. history. His Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., would be the oldest presidential candidate to win a first term in office at age 72.

Obama's Rise

No stranger to record books, Obama, became the fifth African-American senator in U.S. history and was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

Born to a white, American mother and a black, Kenyan father, Obama has spoken openly of his struggle to find acceptance in the black community.

First living in Hawaii, Obama's family moved to Jakarta, Indonesia, when he was 6, where he lived for a time with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. He has credited his upbringing for making him sensitive to America's flagging image abroad.

Attending Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, a constitutional law professor, and a lawyer in Chicago before becoming a senator in the Illinois state Senate in 1996.

MORE
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #85
91. I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around it as a reality.
I grew up in the days where White's Only and Colored Only signs were abundant in the south, where I watched blacks (and the whites who supported them) get hoses and dogs turned on them, where the "N" word was common........

I am SOOOO happy right now, though.

It's such a great day!

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #91
97. I was very young but I knew about the "colored" waiting rooms in VA
.... we were in MD.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #97
102. I spent a lot of time in Arkansas when I was a kid. That's where my
dad was from. And I remember even as a little girl feeling confused about why blacks were treated that way.

I will always thank The Maker that the ugliness of racism that was around me did not seep into my bones.

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #78
171. Berry says
"I'll drink to that." :toast:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:25 PM
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81. McCain: please pick Tommy Thompson!
I'm pretty sure he's available.

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #81
109. That would rock so hard
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 07:45 PM by Patsy Stone
In an E-Z Listening kinda way.

This campaign sponsored by:

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #109
125. They would totally win
on Fred Mack's Amateur Hour.

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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #125
149. Remember...Serutan spelled backwards is
N A T U R E S!

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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:25 PM
Response to Original message
83. LOL Go For it John McSame!! Pick Joe LIEberman!!!
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :rofl: :rofl:
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #83
90. I don't think I'm going to be here when Obama makes his speech.
By 9:00 pm CDT, Mr. Wonderful is usually in bed and the computer is in the same room. I really do have to get a laptop...

I cannot believe that McSame is trying to insert himself into the party tonight. What an asshole.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #90
110. He's old.
Don't go! :(
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:29 PM
Response to Original message
88. Oh! Did I forget? Hi SG!!! Hi Patsy!!!
:hi:

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #88
93. Hey Gigi!!!!
:hi:

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:35 PM
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98. Wow. Interesting stuff from Fineman.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #98
107. Don't ya love it.. McSame says he's in NO, but he ain't.
He's in, more than likely all white, Kenner, LA. What an asshole. I wonder if Kenner is in Jefferson Parish. Isn't that the one that wouldn't let the Katrina victims cross the bridge???
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:38 PM
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101. I'M NOT YOUR FRIEND, OLD MAN!!!
:puke:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #101
104. Mine neither
Did he actually thank Hillary for what she's done for women?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. Yes
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 07:43 PM by Patsy Stone
As long as they want no choice about what's going on with her body, women are okay with him.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #106
173. "And," Berry says,
"they must be thin, young, pretty and rich. And physically intact."
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:42 PM
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105. McCain is making a mistake by speaking tonight.
He's setting himself up to be overshadowed by a much, much better speaker.

And that chintsy background just makes him look even less impressive.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. I think that both Clinton and Obama are going to make him look
really bad and really unfit!

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #105
116. I can't understand the words.
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 07:51 PM by Patsy Stone
His lips are moving, but I can't hear anything he's saying.

Maybe everyone's using this time wisely and gone out to pick up their pizzas and take-out?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:47 PM
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111. Ack! I switched over to CBS to avoid McSame, and got Couric
giving the dissatisfied female "I'm holding my breath 'cause I'm pissed" crowd a lot of face time.

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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:47 PM
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112. No Johnny!! Your presidency will be Georgie's 3rd term!! Grrrr
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :grr:
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #112
115. Bullcrap!!! No you didn't Johnny! You supported georgie 110%
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :grr:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:48 PM
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113. "OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD!"
Why the fuck is this fossil on my TV tonight??? :grr:

:hi: Hi, everyone. Y'all have been blabbing a lot... let me know when you'll start a new thread. :)
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #113
114. Rev!
You made it!
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #114
119. Hi Rev
:hi: What a historic night. I'm going to set the VCR and tape Obama's speech.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #119
124. I hope this lunatic winds it up real soon . . .
But I'll guess that Obama is smart enough to wait. He's nothing, if not polite.

:hi:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #124
128. I think Obama is waiting for the last polls to close
But I could be totally wrong. It's been known to happen more than once.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #114
120. I was talking with Ferrettessa on the phone.
She came through her surgery just fine, and is resting (ha!) with ferrets and critters nearby.

Hey - congrats on your skates!!! :woohoo:<---put this dudette on wheels!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #120
129. Oops - I thought you were Seattle Girl.
I guess you really should have flown her in for the night, too. :)

Did y'all exchange hugs? :hug:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #129
131. Sure did.
I didn't know CC was having surgery.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #131
139. She snuck it in at the end of a long thread (Sunday's?)
So I pm'd her my phone number and told her to let me know how she's doing. I didn't expect to hear from her tonight!
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #113
117. Hi RevCheesehead, How are you all doing & Hi to Oreo, CC & lil' Keith! & The Old
man is Delusional IMO! :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #117
126. Is it my imagination, or did he use that electronic face-lift thingy?
He's looking a little too perky. Next week: the Grecian formula begins.

:hi: and :meow:
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #126
135. RevCheesehead, It looks like he got a sunburn to me! Johnny don't you know when
you've had skin cancer you need to Not get Sunburned?? I guess He doesn't! :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :shrug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #135
143. WOO-FUCKING-HOO!!!!!!!!! President Obama!!!!!!
:bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce: :bounce::bounce: :woohoo: :bounce::bounce:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #113
118. Rev!!!!
I had to change the channel. Only time I'm gonna want to watch McSame is when Obama is wiping the floor up with him during the Presidential debates!

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #118
134. Girrrrrrl!
Congrats on your skates!
:woohoo:

(yeah, I goofed in my first reply. Sorry! :blush: )
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #113
121. Hi Rev!!!
:hi: :hug: from a Junior Girl Scout!!!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #121
146. Hey, Junior Girl Scout!!
We're about to get you a brand new president!!!!!! :hug::hug::hug:

And say hi to your mom for me!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #113
122. Just letting us know he's still alive.
:hi: Welcome to history! :bounce:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #122
150. Don't you mean archeology?
:hi:

THANK YOU, KEITH. You got that old fart off the T.V.
Or should I say, "For this relief, much thanks." :evilgrin:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #150
153. Oh!
:rofl:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #113
123. Did he just talk about ....
.... Listening to the Generals on the ground.

And he is different from bush how?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #123
152. He should sit in a chair at his age.
He might not be able to get up off the ground.

:hi: Cuddles!! :loveya:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #113
127. He's stepping all over his applause lines.
And sometimes it seems like the "Applause" light is missing some bulbs.

:hi:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #127
132. He really is a bad speaker.
BTW "All the progress in Iraq." WTF is he talking about.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #127
136. It sounds like there is about 50 people at this townhall..
Oh God, now he's talking about health care. This guy is such an asshat... How many health care lobbyists do you have on the payroll, McSame...
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #127
138. The speaker is also missing some bulbs.
That's applause? Sounds like polite clapping from a small group of people.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #138
157. I owe one of you a Coke.
Aw, hell - have two!

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #157
159. I was just going to tell you that.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #127
155. As is the speaker...
:evilgrin: :hi:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #113
174. Hi Rev!
:hi: :loveya:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #174
175. Hi!
Whomever you are! (Sharon?) :hi:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:57 PM
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130. McCain is running against FDR.
Let us know how that works out for you, Johnny.

:rofl:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:58 PM
Response to Original message
133. Our local news just did a story on a Washington woman who is 109
years old (and she looks YOUNGER than McSame).

She's a Dem!

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 07:59 PM
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137. On this night please remember some of those who made it possible










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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #137
141. Absolutely.
:hug:

It's a glorious night.

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:02 PM
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144. Clinky to everyone!
I'm starting to tear up and DU just went on overdrive.

:woohoo:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #144
151. Kvelling.
Totally kvelling. Tears in my eyes and a lump in my throat.

:woohoo:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #151
156. Me, too
We're at Level 3 already. I sure hope we have enough fire power for election night.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #137
142. Oh Botany! Those pictures brought me to tears!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #137
161. If ever I could nominate a single post, this would be it.
:hug::cry::patriot:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #137
164. Amen.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:01 PM
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140. WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 08:02 PM by bleever
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:03 PM
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145. Yes!!!!
:bounce: :hug:

And we're at DefCon 12, so if we crash: :woohoo:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:03 PM
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148. Party Time
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:26 PM
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179. Time to break out the good stuff!!
Ben & Jerry's!!!

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:03 PM
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147. BERRY!! WAKE UP!! IT'S OVER!!!
:bounce: :bounce:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:10 PM
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163. You mean, they finally cut off McCain in favor of Keith?
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 08:10 PM by SharonRB
Edit: This is Berry.

Thank God. It was past Grampy's bedtime anyway.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:05 PM
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154. Could Tweety love
the sound of his own voice any more?


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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:07 PM
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158. Happy Presumptive Nomination, rc!
Let's celebrate!

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:13 PM
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167. For you my friend
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 08:15 PM by Botany
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:08 PM
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160. Cheers, sweeties
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:10 PM
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162. They couldn't find any other Black man to interview
but this DINO?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:18 PM
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172. Hillary wants a sit down with Obama.
She doesn't want to concede, or embrace him until then.

:wtf:

:hi:, RC! :bounce: :toast:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:23 PM
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177. She wants to offer him the VP slot, DUH
:crazy:

YES IT'S OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce: :party:

Say Goodnight Hillary!

dg
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:24 PM
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178. "Goodnight, Hillary!"
Thanks for playing, and for being such a really keen sport. :eyes:
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:22 PM
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176. And he thought McCain was "compelling," says Berry.
Give. Me. A. Break.

Please, Barack, don't pick Hillary. Please.

Enjoy tonight, play it coy...then pick someone else.

OMG, I can't believe Hillary won SD. :puke:
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:14 PM
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169. Thought you all would love this:
"Also during the June 2 broadcast, while referencing a May 26 column written by John Lott Jr., Limbaugh stated, "John Lott Jr. has this theory. He's done some research and found out that the growth of government can be traced to when women got the vote." Limbaugh later asserted, "The one observation you can make about this whole business, because he proved it. I mean, it's -- the growth of government started like crazy when women got the right to vote. Which just proves: Size does matter to 'em."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200806020006
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:26 PM
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180. NEW THREAD:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:28 PM
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181. I can not get this smile off my face.
We have a nominee!!!!!!!!
and its not HRC.
I'm plotzing, I'm kvelling, I'm geshrein I'm having a chicken.
This is a wonderful historic day.
I am excited too because I'll be free to work on the campaign in October, YEAH!!!!!


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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:32 PM
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183. Yay!
:hug: :hug:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:28 PM
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182. Thank God it is now over
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:32 PM
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184. ROFLMAO!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:40 PM
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185. Oh crap, she's on
Has she asked for money yet?

WHAT THE FUCK????? USING A CAMPAIGN SLOGAN FROM BUSH I??????? HELL NO, YOU AIN'T GONNA BE MY VP!!!!!!!!!!!

dg
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