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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:39 PM
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David Swanson on Greens, Progressives, Socialists and Democrats
Camejo, Selfa, and Debating the Rearrangement of Deck Chairs
April 8, 2005
The Socialist Worker's Lance Selfa wrote an article opposing the idea of trying to turn the Democratic Party into a truly progressive force. Hopeless, he said. I sent him a response, which the Socialist Worker published together with a reply from Selfa. See the exchange here:
http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-1/538/538_08_DebatingthePDA.shtml

At the same time, Ralph Nader running mate Peter Camejo published an article criticizing the same thing and denouncing various efforts as "lesser evilism." See:
http://www.counterpunch.org/camejo04062005.html

Both of these articles criticize the project of Progressive Democrats of America, on whose board I serve. But both of these articles contain much that I agree with. In fact, I think that those of us who want to reform the Democrats agree with those who want to build a third or fourth progressive party on both short and long-term goals. It is only on medium-range goals that we differ.

In the long term, we all want to see a society with more equity of power and wealth, less violence, better education, a guarantee of health care, a guarantee of a living-wage job with rights in the workplace, and an environmentally sustainable economy.

And we agree on many short-term goals. It was Greens and Democrats working together who forced legal and congressional challenges to last November's presidential vote in Ohio. We didn't stop to make sure we could all agree on all of our medium-range goals. We got together and worked. We should be working together with the same passion and the same coordination on every issue.

By medium-range goals I mean the question of whether we want to try to improve the Democrats or try to throw them out of power in favor of a new party. Many of us currently see short-term building of a third party that's more progressive than many Democrats are as helpful for both goals. It helps to push the Democrats toward a more progressive position as well as helping to build a new party.

We also see reforming our electoral system in ways that break up the two-party system as helpful for both goals. Let's have credible and re-countable voting machines. Let's have clean public financing of elections. Let's have democratic media. Let's be rid of the electoral college. Let's have instant runoff voting. But those are long-term goals. We will have to achieve one or both of our medium-range goals before we can get there. And those medium range goals are enormous goals.

I want to advocate setting aside those medium-range goals and focusing on the short-term. We have a long-range vision that is clearer and more powerful than that of the Republicans or the corporate Democrats. John Kerry hasn't heard about it, and the corporate media is reluctant to tell anybody about it. But we have it. And it can help us in the short run.

In the short run we need to demand an end to the war, fight the bankruptcy bill, insist on the Employee Free Choice Act, block CAFTA, correct the plummeting minimum wage, and a million other things that we agree on, and that we can achieve if we work on together. We're smarter than they are, and there are more of us. But we have to stop debating the rearrangement of deck chairs.

Don't accuse me of being threatened by independence or of engaging in red baiting, and I won't accuse you of preferring expressive anger to serious engagement. None of that is true of either of us. The danger to the Green Party is not, as Camejo says, the Democratic Party. The danger is rising fascism, which has its base in the Republican Party, with outposts among the Democrats and in some third parties too. The smartest way for us to fight it right now is both inside and outside the Democratic Party.

Selfa is incorrect in surmising that PDA plans to back bad Democrats over good third-party candidates. We do not. We will back the more progressive candidate, regardless of party. We will sit out races that do not include a progressive candidate. We would love it if you would do the same.

We are not fighting you, Mr. Camejo. We're sorry that it could not be arranged at the last moment for Nader to speak at that conference. I admire Nader greatly and believe he was right to support Kucinich in the primaries. I also believe that Kucinich and I were both wrong to back Kerry.

But I believe that you were equally wrong not to get involved in the primaries. Those people who chose to change their registrations temporarily to Democrat in order to vote for Kucinich in a primary, and who then voted for someone better than Kerry in the general election outdid us both. They set aside the academic debate over what we dream of for medium-range solutions. They engaged and acted to encourage progressive politics. Their actions were based on neither loyalty nor hatred toward a particular party, but on a long-range vision of a just society.

Let's de-emphasize party. Bernie Sanders helps the Democratic Party move toward positions that people support. Fighting to maintain the filibuster for the Democrats helps keep third-party activists from living in a fascist state. Let's build a coalition of activists and elect some of our own. In Solidarity.


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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 06:39 PM
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1. inside and outside ...
several weeks ago i attended an anti-war demonstration in Boston ... there were all sorts of groups represented ... most of the tables that were setup with literature were staffed by either some flavor of the socialist movement or by members of the Communist Party ...

i spent considerable time talking to people at the rally about whether they saw any value whatsoever to working both inside and outside the Democratic Party ... my pitch to them was that I saw a need to do both ... whether we like the Democratic Party or not, it is unquestionably a large, powerful structure ... is it possible to make inroads into the Party and either take it over completely or at least move it to the left? who knows ... but it is difficult for me to see how anyone can so clearly see there is not at least the potential to make important changes from the inside ... perhaps the Party is an intractable force mired in its move toward the center ... but for someone to actually know that there can't be progress should meet with at least a degree of skepticism ...

right now, it seems like burning the candle at both ends is the way to go ...

i'd be very interested to hear why you know think you were wrong to back Kerry ... I'm in a somewhat similar position but have not drawn that conclusion ... at least not yet ... I was totally in the ABB camp and I do NOT intend to revisit that voting philosophy in future elections ... but I do think that this last election, do to the severity of right-wing control, required an emphasis on short-term strategy ... and while supporting a corporate-controlled Democratic Party never feels very good, bush and the neo-cons had to be driven from power before it was too late ... so, I never felt good about supporting Democrats on the national level, but it did seem like the right place to have been in last year's election ...

the Democratic Party will make a very serious mistake, however, if they expect the left to "just go along" in the future ... those who reason "where else will they go" may end up finding out the hard way ... i feel like i have been pushed out of the left side of the "big tent" ... the Party is in desperate need of reform ... i'm not sure whether I can remain a Democrat ... if Kerry, Hillary, Reid et al end up voting more money for Iraq, it will probably be time for me to leave ... I'll continue to work for local Democrats and for my Congressman, Jim McGovern, but I can't see myself working for the Democratic Party's national candidates anymore ...

anyway, i'd be interested to hear how you concluded your support for Kerry last year was wrong ... thanks for the post btw ...
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TMA68 Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:28 AM
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2. Election reform should be a short-term goal
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 11:53 AM by TMA68
We also see reforming our electoral system in ways that break up the two-party system as helpful for both goals. Let's have credible and re-countable voting machines. Let's have clean public financing of elections. Let's have democratic media. Let's be rid of the electoral college. Let's have instant runoff voting. But those are long-term goals. We will have to achieve one or both of our medium-range goals before we can get there.

Actually, in light of the blatant election fraud that occurred in both 2000 and 2004, I think it is a huge mistake to define electoral reform as a "long-term" goal.

If we let yet another four years go by without putting consistent pressure on Congress to implement urgently-needed reforms of our election system, then the Republicans will rig the 2008 presidential election just as they did the last two, and will almost certainly use their election-rigging powers to their advantage in next year's midterm election as well. And as long as the Republicans remain in control, progressive Democrats will have practically no hope of achieving any of their goals -- be they short-term, medium-term or long-term.

There are a number of already-crafted election reform bills that most people probably don't even know about. I strongly encourage all progressives to make the enactment of the following bills a short-term goal:

The Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act


The Voter Registration Protection Act


The National Voter Anti-Intimidation and Anti-Fraud Election Act


The Voters' Choice Act


The Voter Freedom Act



Todd Altman
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