Kerry speech repeat, C-span 3 tonight

[ginnyinWI]

10:00 PM EDT
0:39 (est.)
Speech
War in Iraq
U.S. Senate, Kerry, J. (D-MA)
John F. Kerry , D-MA
Judy Droz Keyes

This looks like the one at Faniuel Hall.

[partisan]

1. Thanks very much for the heads up.

[ginnyinWI]

2. I should add a caution:

Cspan is very open to changing things at the last minute. I've seen stuff come on as much as 45 min. early. Just so you know.

[partisan]

3. Thanks again.

[partisan]

4. And

of course I don't get c-span 3.

[Democrafty]

5. You can watch C-SPAN 3 on the website.

cpan.org

[TayTay]

6. That was such a wonderfully well-written speech

and the Senator gave it with all due passion and care. It was a privilege to be in that Hall that day. That is the speech that I think I will always remember. It was just so wonderful to hear that speech and hear what I felt so eloquently put into words. That was a gift from above and whatever Powers That Be felt generous to me that day.

Dear Lord, I love that speech. It is one of the finest Kerry ever delivered on Massachusetts soil. (He really can be quite good you know.)

[ginnyinWI]

17. I see the theme now: it's Presidential Hopefuls night

They've had JK, HRC, Edwards, Biden, Clark, etc. I must say JK shines out amongst them all. I thought Hillary's speech was especially mediocre, delivered without passion. Biden had plenty of passion though. But nobody gets first place ahead of JK.

[wisteria]

25. I agree!!!! I also though it was interesting that they placed him first

in the line up. Am I reading more into this than is actually there?

[globalvillage]

7. Truth

is the American bottom line.

I love when he says that.
:-)

[TayTay]

8. So many people speak of Iraq as if it exists on a balance sheet

or as some sort of accounting error. There is no passion in their arguments. Iraq exists as just another argument to be thrashed about in the court of public opinion.

This speech was so different. It was, in a sense, one of the most personal speeches I have ever heard a public official give. Sen. Kerry said this war was immoral, that made it personal. (No wonder the good Senator has been so harsh in his comments on Lieberman, there is no going back from declaring something immoral.)

There have been 'Kerry moments' before, when the good Senator reached in and pulled out these wonderful comments from deep inside. Again, it was an honor to be there for one of these freeing personal speeches that were just a wonderful and amazing and draining thing to see.

[globalvillage]

9. You are so lucky.

I want to see Sen Kerry speechify at Faneuil Hall.

Lieberman said today on Blitzer's show that Sen Kerry said what he did about Lieberman being wrong because he's running in '08. I wanted to jump through the TV and throttle him.

[TayTay]

11. There really is something special about seeing speeches

in that Hall. That is a place where people go to 'speak truth to power.' Faneuil Hall is a living monument to Americans who can't take it anymore and have come to give someone or some policy 'holy hell.' It is a sacred place for those who hold free speech as one of the premier American values.

So, seeing my Senator there, delivering this amazing kick-ass speech about what the current would-be king is doing wrong was just 'a moment' I will never forget. The speaker, that day, graced the Hall, as much as the Hall was a gracious place for the speaker. It fit so beautifully well. Sam Adams, Lucy Stone, William Garrison and all the others would have been proud of this latter day son of Massachusetts. That's how I felt in seeing it.

I love it when Kerry says "and I'm not going to stand for it anymore." The last stage of being totally pissed off is saying you're not going to stand for something. (At least it does here and that's they way I've always understood use of that phrase.) He indeed is not 'standing for it' anymore. That wonderful speech certainly served notice on that.

[ginnyinWI]

18. he repeated that again?

He said the same on Meet the Press. I guess it's his only defense, but it's not true. It is so republican for him to be doing this!

[karynnj]

10. I wonder if Lieberman ever, in the deep of night,

wonders whether Kerry is right - and that his (Lieberman's) intranscience may have added to the length of a war where the plan (or lack of one) is wrong. Even some of the neo-cons are having second thoughts. Lieberman has to have seen that there are so many things where Kerry has been proven right He has known Kerry for years, so he has to know that Kerry is an honest,moral person.

[globalvillage]

12. I hope so.

Anyone with a soul would have to question if a war is right or wrong, and I hope Joe hasn't lost at least the ability to do that.
But for him to say that Sen Kerry opposes him because he's running for pres is despicable.

[TayTay]

13. Lieberman's descent into hell is complete

with this statement. A principled man would have had given an opponent the benefit of the doubt about an honorable disagreement. A person who has been captured by baser motives always suspects others of only having baser motives. That is Joe Lieberman now. How awful.

[globalvillage]

15. Very important distinction. Thanks for pointing it out. n/t.

[ginnyinWI]

19. exactly so, TayTay.

It's only about Joe now, and nothing else. Joe's survival. Does he imagine the reception he'd get in the Senate if he did win? Chilly!

On Hardball they were discussing this. They were saying that if he wins, the GOPers will say that conservative Dems are who the people really want, and if Lamont wins, they will say that the "Democrat" Party has now been totally taken over by the Loonie Left and have no credibility left. They are prepared to use it against the Dems no matter what happens.

If Joe wanted to do the right thing, he'd get out. Because his presence on the ticket only does harm. Elections have consequences--but he won't listen.

[wisteria]

22. I totally agree. You know, to state that Senator Kerry's only motives

are self-serving implies that Senator Kerry does not care about our country,our soldiers,the Iraqi's or all of his fellow Americans. It was really despicable for Lieberman to make this statement. Kerry has not attacked Lieberman's character,motives or honesty the way Lieberman has done to Senator Kerry. I personally think this accusation from Lieberman should be addressed by someone. In other words, someone should defend Senator Kerry and not allow this ugly statement to go unanswered.
I e-mailed Lieberman and told him how I felt, but I think he will continue to use it whenever an interviewer brings up Kerry's statements.

You know what, I keep on thinking, where is Al Gore while all of this is going on? No one has even asked him his opinion about this whole situation.

[TayTay]

23. Where is Senator Feingold? Bayh? Gov Warner?

If Sen. Feingold had been the one to say and write what Sen. Kerry did last week, I wonder how DU GD would have reacted? I wonder how long it would have been before the litmus test would have been: Are you going to join Feingold in his call for Joe Lieberman to quit the race?

There is a convenient forgetfulness about some people.

[wisteria]

24. yeah, it amazes me. Kerry speaks out, after Feingold initially said

he should step down and it is Kerry who is quoted and maligned.
I use to respect Lieberman and I thought he was an honest man, but I have been proven wrong. Lieberman's comments were low and dishonest.
I hope he loses big time.

[ProSense]

14. On Iraq, the lip service from

people like Hagel and McCain (who actually is making less sense these days) drives me nuts. People just get suckered in.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?1az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2793447&mesg_id=2793510

This is the perfect example from 2004 of the whole media driven image of Hagel:

(06-30) 04:00 PDT Los Angeles -- Sen. Chuck Hagel, an influential moderate Republican from Nebraska, sharply criticized the Bush administration in an interview here Tuesday, saying that the war in Iraq appears to have hurt America in its battle against terrorism.

Snip...

Hagel, a decorated veteran of the Vietnam War, said he agrees with President Bush that the duration of the war on terror might be measured in generations and that to sustain the badly overstretched military for the struggle, a new draft may be needed.

Snip...

A two-term senator, Hagel is regarded as a pragmatist who is ideologically out of line with the conservatives in the Bush administration. There were even reports recently that he had been courted by Sen. John Kerry, the likely Democratic nominee for president, as a vice presidential candidate.

Asked if he had been approached or if he would consider the offer, Hagel said he is a diehard Republican "and I'll stay in the Republican Party."

Snip...

"It's a whole different administration approach,'' Hagel said. "There is a newfound humility, a newfound realism" in the Bush administration.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/30/MNGTS7E5RK1.DTL

Hagel is still giving similar lip service and the media is still positioning him:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2793087&mesg_id=2793087

[YvonneCa]

16. Politics vs. Profound Understanding...

...of the dangers posed by the current occupants of the White House. If you listen to various politicians speak, both Democratic and Republican, some always see critical issues in political terms. It's clear by the way they talk. A very few actually profoundly GET this moment in history and the importance of 'taking back America.' John Kerry now gets it. You can hear it in Senate floor speeches, statements on issues, and loudly in his recent speeches. Have you ever read "Zen and the Art of Archery" ? This is his 'Zen' moment in history. :)

I ordered this speech from C-Span and have listened to it several times. Every phrase is critical...not a word is wasted. All his public life experience has brought him to this moment. There is no one other potential 2008 candidate with the experience, ability, credibility and integrity to lead at this time. He has reached profound moral clarity about this moment in our country's history. Because of that, he's the one person who can unite us again.

So...all you wonderful Massachusetts people have to let the country share your treasured Senator.
:7

[ginnyinWI]

20. I'm reading "The New War" right now.

I'm into the chapter on global terrorism. The man has a deep and thorough understanding of all the factors that have led to where we are today with terrorism. He predicted so much of what's happened that I'm sure he wasn't surprised on 9/11. He knew the threat was growing and changing, and he predicted the subsequent restrictions on our freedoms as a result.

If only we'd had a competent president at the time; we'd be doing so much better now. Clinton had those first bombers of the WTC rounded up in no time.

[ProSense]

21. The dynamics between

the U.S. and Iran in Iraq (the entire region) is just as JK stated, confirmed by this article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2793583&mesg_id=2793583


The result of Bush's failed policies.