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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 07:36 PM
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Defending Kerry From Michael Moore Snark
From Liberal Values--see original post for links:

Earlier in the day I had one post on Michael Moore after some Iraqi insurgents quoted Michael Moore. I was primarily defending against the anticipated right wing attacks on Michael Moore and Freedom of speech. That post is at:

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=82

I checked his web site to see if he commented, and found a snarky post on Kerry. I responded here (with lots of links to Kerry's anti-war statements):

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=88

Michael Moore Has Freedom of Speech, Even When He Is Wrong (Like Today)

I defend Michael Moore’s right to free speech, but that does not mean I necessarily agree with him. Michael Moore is often wrong, just as today when he headlines a story in John Kerry’s support for anti-war candidates with, “John Kerry Puts His Money Where His Mouth Should Have Been All Along.”

John Kerry is putting his money where his mouth has been all along. Did Michael Moore never hear the phrase “Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time” during the campaign?

Kerry’s opposition to George Bush’s foreign policiy did not begin during the Presidential campaign. Following his early opposition to Richard Nixon on Vietnam and Ronald Reagan on Iran Contra, John Kerry was one of the first to stand up to George Bush, even when other Democrats were afraid to following 9/11. In July 2002 the New York Times wrote, in an article entitled By Attacking Bush, Kerry Sets Himself Apart:

"Secretary of State Colin L. Powell was cruising through a Senate hearing on arms control, charming his Democratic adversaries and deftly parrying their questions, when Senator John Kerry, a Democrat from Massachusetts, took the microphone.

"In the aggressive style he honed as a prosecutor two decades ago, Mr. Kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism against President Bush’s nuclear arms treaty with Russia, saying it “neutered” previous pacts and included a “huge contradiction.” Twice, he interrupted a clearly irritated Mr. Powell in midsentence.

"For many Democrats, the war on terrorism has made that kind of frontal assault on Bush foreign policy seem risky, if not politically suicidal. But not for Mr. Kerry. A decorated Vietnam veteran and potential presidential candidate, he has lustily attacked the administration on policies like trans-Atlantic relations, Pentagon spending, Middle East negotiations and even Mr. Bush’s greatest triumph, Afghanistan."

John Kerry opposed George Bush’s policies in Iraq from the beginning. At the time of the IWR vote, Kerry spoke out against going to war unless we were proven to be threatened to WMD in his Senate floor statement. He explained his views in articles in Foreign Affairs and the New York Times, writing, “If we are to put American lives at risk in a foreign war, President Bush must be able to say to this nation that we had no choice, that this was the only way we could eliminate a threat we could not afford to tolerate.”

In January 2003 John Kerry spoke at Georgetown, urging George Bush not to “rush to war.” At the onset of the war, Kerry protested by arguing, “What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States.”

In December 2003 Kerry spoke before the Council on Foreign Relations and accused the Bush administration of pursuing “the most arrogant, inept, reckless and ideological foreign policy in modern history.”

John Kerry was among the first Democrats to stand up to George Bush on the war, and is now one of the leading opponents of the war. Karl Rove knew that John Kerry was a threat as he spread the lies that Kerry supported George Bush’s policies. It is a shame that so many opponents of the far fell for this.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:28 PM
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1. Nice job
And even if Michael Moore refuses to accept reality, what good does all the smark do anyway. Isn't ending this war the important thing.

Oh wait, not to the MYDD crew. They've been saying that withdrawal is the wrong election strategy, the people are only ready to listen to "accountability". Hmmm. I wonder what caused that massive shift in opinion.

Courage Campaign my hind-end.

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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:06 PM
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2. Probably Mark Warner's $$$
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 11:10 PM by Firespirit
I hate that the right-wing blogs leaped all over Jerome Armstrong's "consultant work" with Warner, because they used it to slime all liberal bloggers, but it was pretty dodgy of him anyway. I've looked at the FEC reports for Forward Together PAC, and just over the past 12 months Armstrong has been paid over $60,000. Most of it was through a front company that I'd guess he set up specifically to keep his name from being listed in disclosure reports, because Armstrong has now signed on officially with the PAC and works full-time for them. Armstrong doesn't do much at MyDD anymore, but Warner operatives post there frequently.

My opinion of the MyDD group is far lower than that of DailyKos. Kos himself, and a couple of prominent posters (such as Armando), piss me off, but at least a wide range of opinions show up there. MyDD is practically a cult these days.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:28 AM
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4. yup
so funny how they beat up on Kerry over his position on Iraq by picking at every little thing.

but Warner whose position is very right wing on it gives them money and like the whores they are they change their position.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:31 AM
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5. It's bizarre!
I posted the snip below in a thread I started about the DLC. It's utterly bizarre how everyone has tried to make out Kerry as the corporate candidate of choice.

Fast forward to 2004. For the first time in 12 years, we have a wide-open primary race with 10 candidates to challenge George W. Bush (sorry, I like Bill Bradley, but the 2000 race doesn't count). One of the candidates was Joe Lieberman, our 2000 VP Candidate, and for all intents and purposes, the DLC candidate for 2004 (he was a former chair of the DLC).

Now, I know a lot of folks around here don't like Lieberman, and the reasons have merit (though I must admit, I probably don't feel as some do on this topic), but I liked Joe in 2000, and thought he would run a strong campaign in 2004. Boy was I wrong! He ran a Republican-lite campaign, to say the least. At the various dinners shown on C-SPAN during the pre-primary season, you could hear a pin drop when he spoke. Needless to say, he generated no excitement. And his primary performance showed, as he was resoundingly defeated everywhere he went.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/4/9/2308/02844
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 12:23 AM
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3. Linked at wljk.
Because letting MM hijack this whole debate with something like that is just plain silly.
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