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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:39 PM
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John Kerry post on DailyKos - "Really stand with Ned"
Link here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/17/132653/514

Show some support for our favorite Senator!
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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:41 PM
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1. YAY...it' kicks!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:50 PM
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2. The diary is great - the kos audience is still very bad.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:06 PM
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4. Yes, the trolls are coming out in force
And dragging out the same arguments, while getting lashed for it.

Why do I suspect that they'll make the SAME arguments on the next JK diary?
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:14 PM
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6. They are getting lashed bigtime
Their arguments are so old and so lame and really show their childish mentality.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:15 PM
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7. Can you believe "lightness of being"?
That guy just can't get over whatever his problem is.

He was pounded pretty hard for the idiocy of his comment though.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:02 PM
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19. "voter for sale"
was the one that really got to me today. I could feel steam coming out of my ears...
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:14 PM
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22. That KEVIN asshole was ridiculous, too
Petty, small people with petty, small vendettas. Ugh.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:50 PM
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46. Not to mention persistent
I hope you didn't take his comments to you seriously. What I really don't unederstand is how huge his ego could be that he thought repeating nonsense ad nauseum on a Senator's diary was reasonable. As to the other garbage, I wonder where is brain is. He clearly doesn't value that one of the lost important men in the country was giving him a chance to speak to him and be heard and (in some cases) answered.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:23 PM
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48. I remember that name
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 10:29 PM by fedupinBushcountry
and for some reason I'm thinking it was the Kerryblog. We use to zap a lot of trolls and for some reason his name rings a bell.

Edited to add: I think it was the Kerryblog and he was one of the troublemaker Deaniacs.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:44 PM
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36. Yeah, and they keep coming back for more
Anyone see that Zenseeker guy -- REALLY pro-Kerry but then on some conspiracy theory about Kos users. I'm half and half on that. Sure there are a lot of trolls, but some who might seem trollish aren't. Like "One Pissed Off Liberal" -- he's a freaking whiner, but it ends up he's this total hippy total anti-poverty lefty guy. Kerry just isn't lefty enough for him. There ARE those types in the Democratic party and on the lefty blogosphere, and they will go ahead and support Feingold, which is fine. It's a pretty small group.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:51 PM
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47. what's crazy is that he bases it on a Dkos poll
on which people anonymously said they were trolls. LOL
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:50 PM
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3. he'll come back to dkos in a few hours to answer questions.
:bounce:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:06 PM
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5. Great post!
That's fantastic and all in all, the thread isn't too terribly bad. How fascinating that Lamont knew JK's dad, small world indeed. Great endorsement.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:24 PM
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11. That was cool -
Kerry's comments on his dad were really nice and it was great how he tied them to why he supports Lamont.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:24 PM
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8. Awesome!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:08 PM
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9. I posted this in GD-P n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:24 PM
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10. Very interesting post by Taylor Marsh
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:47 PM
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12. Marsh is a sharp one.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:48 PM
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13. It's a great diary
and it's getting a ton of play
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:15 PM
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14. UPDATE
Senator Kerry is responding to questions and added his answers to his original post.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:43 PM
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15. His resposes are nice
There are a few malcontents that won't be happy unless Kerry called Lieberman a traitor - which is crazy seeing that Kerry (and other sane people) have called Cheney and Lieberman for calling people against them traitors. (It would make no sense as they do have to work together (at least until January.)
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:49 PM
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16. Why was his diary closed?
Someone comes in and says to unrecommend and now it is closed. I swear these assholes are never fucking satisfied. They are so childish they make me sick.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:03 PM
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20. closed?
I was just posting on it a second ago.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:10 PM
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21. Me too - and they're still adding
Everyone is giving the "unrecommend" guy a hard time - he even lost the one person supporting him - in spite of normally being a well regarded person.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:44 PM
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26. yeah that was funny
I wonder if the guy who recommended the unrecommend then unrecommended the recommend (scratch head here)???

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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:45 PM
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31. Sorry
it ended up being my computer. Had to go on my husban's to get in it again. If I lnew my password to DU I would have been here sooner, but I don't and I automatically am in on mine.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:40 PM
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25. That was so annoying too
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:51 PM
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18. Agree! I have to say, about those
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 03:59 PM by ProSense
"malcontents that won't be happy unless Kerry called Lieberman a traitor," I seriously doubt some of them have any other purpose than to knock Kerry down a notch every time he does something positive. A lot of this goes beyond simply being motivated by another candidate or being committed to progressive values. I really believe there are freepers masquerading as Greens. Since Santorum has been exposed, I'm convinced of it.


Took out links!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:19 PM
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23. In this case the main guy seems simply immature
He has no concept of the fact that doing any of the things that he recommended would likely help Lieberman. Lieberman is now thrashing around calling others names - when all they did was vote against him, which was their right. Calling them traitors is unlikely to win them or their friends and families over. The actions he recommends could give Lieberman back something his behavior might have cost him - sympathy.

I liked Kerry's first statement on the race because it was gracious - he mentioned having known Lieberman since college, but it firmly said that the party meant something. At that point - which was likely intensely painful for Lieberman, Kerry wasn't going to kick Lieberman. Only when Lieberman started making ridiculous comments, did Kerry criticize him - in a way that was in proportion to what Lieberman did.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:59 PM
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27. Exactly! n/t
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:50 PM
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17. Great post and a really great update
I loved it. Nice goinng Senator.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:40 PM
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24. I was annoyed that some people were mad he
"only did the update". Our dear Senator Kerry has much more important things to do then to sit and answer 500 posts!!!! I'm happy he did the update and I like it when he answers questions, but it wasn't enough for some people. So annoying!!!
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:06 PM
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28. No doubt!
Unlike many kossaks and DU'ers, the man does not sit in his parents' basement in his underwear blogging all day ;-)
(although...picture it if you will...JK in his underwear....boxers or briefs??... I kid, I kid. lol)
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:37 AM
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64. ewww....I love JK but I did not need that visual
LOL
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:09 PM
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29. He has a second update now and a post near the end
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:40 PM
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30. All I have to say is
JK rocks!


To hell with all the self-involved people.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:51 PM
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32. I agree - the comments especially were very nice and
very respectful to those he responded to. I really don't know what mythical politicians spend more time responding - I haven't seen them. The Webb one I saw before the primary had been set up as a real time visit and I thing he answered maybe 5 questions before saying he had to leave.

Here Kerry had a very nice diary which was more personal than many politicians and he came back and answered several off topic comments as well as a few related to the diary - all very pleasantly.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:54 PM
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33. I may be in the minority,
but I was blown away by the overwhelming proportion of positive to negative comments. This is a huge step forward for dkos as regards JK.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:02 PM
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34. I hadn't thought of it till you mentioned it - but that was true
Many of the negative ones were quickly put down quickly. I doubt Dkos or DU would ever sound like our group if Kerry posted - this might be as good as it will get. They are at least seeing part of the real JK. (I thought it funny yesterday when one LW freeper complained that the diaries were "over run" with Kerry fans - and he pined for the good old days. )
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:10 PM
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35. Nope!
I right there with you! This was fantastic!
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:53 PM
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37. No, you are correct
There were far more positive comments than negative comments. And a lot of the critical comments were constructive, or there was a negative (you did x wrong in '04) followed up with a positive (thanks for fighting for us so hard now). Sen. Kerry has worked really hard to get people to that point. It seems like he made a decision in early '06 that he was going back to his roots -- his liberal roots -- especially since he knew he could earn support from the liberal blogosphere. It is a presidential run strategy (I'm not naive), but it just happens to be a strategy that is most genuine for him. He is SOOO much looser now than he was in 2002 (I just got that book "One Car Caravan", and it's incredible how much he has changed since then, except saying "rock and roll" which was in his last comment!). He is going to be AWESOME on the campaign trail come next year. Plus he's an underdog (at least as far as the pundits are concerned). Damn, I KNOW he is going to give kick ass speeches and have great one liners. I just know it in my bones!!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:26 PM
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39. Oh, how much do you love that book??
I adored it, and I know Tay did, too. It was the best book I've read (by far) about the election.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:44 PM
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43. You consider what Kerry had to deal with then
that he doesn't now. The death of his mom, his own bout with cancer, the problems with the perception over his IWR vote, etc. I think that Sen. Kerry is freer now than he was then and actually coldly and completely knows what a run for the WH entails, soup to nuts.

I am glad he is looser and more relaxed with it. BTW, he is also working about 3 times more for it now than he did even then, and he has always been something of a work-a-holic. But, as he said in his last DKos update, to quote Warren Zevon, "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead." LOL!
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:59 PM
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44. Yeah -- you're exactly right
I think all of those things that happened to him in '02/'03 really did take a toll, and may have been the main reason he fell behind with the Dean insurgency. That IWR vote was a problem from the moment he cast it. And, obviously, based on reading through the diary today, there are some who will NEVER let him off the hook for it. But with people so desperate about Iraq, most will forgive if he has a way out for us.

Yeah -- I LOVED that Warren Zevon quote. Blogging is actually a very good medium for him. He has always been a great writer, and I find a blog post to be very intimate when the writer puts himself in it. In a way, blogging DOES put us back to the early 20th century before TV, because it is the written word more than anything else. Video is okay on computer, but blogs are primarily words.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:04 PM
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45. I think that's the sad part of this
people still thinking that IWR is a vote for war and not letting him off the hook, yet praising and promoting those that voted against it as heroes.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:42 AM
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67. Is this it? I haven't read it
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:01 PM
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68. This is a better link, since it costs only .01
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1586482750/ref=dp_olp_2/102-0294908-4803365?ie=UTF8

All you have to pay is shipping. That's how I got it, and it came within 2 weeks. Definitely buy it. I only skimmed it for the Kerry parts (well, I needed some catnip right away), but I want to read the whole thing slowly because it's supposed to be a really good campaign book. And I like the author -- he seems like an okay guy.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:06 PM
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87. Thanks!
I picked up The New War that way earlier this week
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:39 AM
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65. No I agree with you
I think that Kossiaks (except THE Kossiak) have really changed their opinion of Kerry. My uncle was not the biggest supporter of his and now fully supports him in 2008. That has a lot to do with you guys sticking up for him in threads! It really does.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:04 PM
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38. In case you don't want to sift through, here are JK's comments
* Thank you-- (9+ / 0-)
Recommended by:JLongs, boadicea, Caldonia, dwahzon, beachmom, MH in PA, Buffalo Girl, Silence is Complicity, OWTH

thank you, she will be happy to know you were thinking of her. She reads blogs regularly, and as most of you know she’s been hard at work on women’s retirement security issues, prescription drug solutions, and the environment. She was in Colorado recently working with the CO AFL. She is planning on getting back on the campaign trail this fall as well.

by John Kerry on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:36:25 PM PDT

< Parent | Reply to This |Recommend Troll >


* and thank you atdnext (8+ / 0-)
Recommended by:JLongs, boadicea, Caldonia, dwahzon, beachmom, MH in PA, Silence is Complicity, fedupinBushcountry

for your patriotism. Doing what you all are doing today – getting out there, debating the most important issues, asking the toughest questions you can and speaking out – that’s the real meaning of patriotism. Thank you all--

by John Kerry on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:38:37 PM PDT

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* This has been great-- (29+ / 0-)
Recommended by:whometense, JeffLieber, cotterperson, OLinda, Lufah, Carnacki, JLongs, jerseyjoew, boadicea, karenc, Terre, danthrax, Caldonia, churchylafemme, dwahzon, beachmom, MH in PA, Luftmensch, paige, Silence is Complicity, KLev613, AllDemsOnBoard, demdiva, OWTH, fedupinBushcountry, Buckeye Hamburger, gloriana, Zenseeker, Buffy Orpington

this has been a great exchange, i'll check back in later, i need to run now -- i had a great time talking with you all, talk to you soon. let's really rock and roll.

by John Kerry on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 02:41:31 PM PDT

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The amount of comments is astounding -- nearly 700!! You know, after Kerry's first post, I felt like maybe he would no longer be so novel there. Yet, he is back to really ramping up the excitement and commenting. I'm sorry, nothing short of Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton is as big as John Kerry. NOBODY is going to get that much activity, the good, the bad and the ugly. And, I think he was pretty excited when he checked back and the feedback was so immense.

Good day for him, I'd say.





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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:28 PM
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40. Thanks
my computer has been messing up and I wasn't able to read that first response.

All in all I think it turned out very well, and very few negative responses and the one's that were over the top were handled quite well.

Its funny when he says "absolutely" it reminds me of my son in NYC on his cell phone message he says "will I get back to you, absolutely". I love it.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:30 PM
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41. 714 comments now, and still going
Thanks for pulling out his comments - that is one long thread to go through!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:32 PM
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42. Looks to me like JK will do very well in the coming few years
with the netroots. He seems to have won over dKos already--and that's huge. It's gonna be very interesting.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:27 AM
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49. 542 recommends
:applause:

And some say nobody likes him, what HOGWASH.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:06 AM
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50. Wow!
That and the comments were mostly good.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:23 AM
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51. Hey -- Washington Post must have read the diary
From their news article on the court ruling on warrantless wiretapping:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081700650_2.html

Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) and other leading Democrats hailed the ruling as a welcome check on the Bush administration. The decision shows that "no one is above the law," Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) said.


That is verbatim what he wrote on DailyKos. Sometimes I forget the outside world might be checking in with our blogs. Kinda makes their job easier, doesn't it? They don't even have to bother calling his office or checking for press releases. The deadline's looming, they need a quote from the opposition, bingo -- here it is, and they print it.

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:27 AM
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52. I just noticed the 2nd update on his diary just now (missed it)
In service of those who don't want to go back there to bring up that giant diary, here are all of his updates:

UPDATE:
The fun stuff - questions and answers.

A few of you have asked if I will travel to Connecticut to campaign for Ned - the answer is yes, absolutely. We're scheduling a trip and I'm looking forward to it.

Bigspoiledbaby asked if I think George Allen's explanations are credible for his remarks this week - no, his explanation isn't remotely satisfactory. The differences between George Allen and Jim Webb are huge. Jim is a genuine war hero, he is standing up on Iraq, he's fighting for health care and for Virginia's future while George Allen stands by President's failed policy in Iraq, on health care, on energy almost 100% of the time.

Buffy Orpington asked about the wiretapping decision today. Today's decision proves one important thing: no one is above the law. We all know this administration is good at hiding the truth and spinning the politics and sorely lacking when it comes to making us safer in the world.

Next, Red Sox asked if he can count on me to work hard for other candidates this cycle - the answer is yes -- I'm not letting up, absolutely yes. I've already supported over 165 candidates across the country, from country chair to United States Senate races. And I mean support - we've raised or given away something like 10 M dollars. And I've made supporting veterans as candidates a personal mission this fall. So, yes - we're not letting up. Was it Warren Zevon who wrote "I'll sleep when I'm dead?" Sounds about right.

UPDATE 2:

Buffy Orpington asked about health care access and funding for people without preventive or catastrophic care. We are going to rescue health care by being bold and having the guts to try. I was at Faneuil Hall just a couple weeks ago laying out a plan to get health care for every man woman and child by 2012. There are 11 million children alone living in this country without health insurance. My KidsFirst plan, a part of a comprehensive health care plan, will actually save states billions of dollars and get every child covered. And I'm going to fight for this. Check out my plan at johnkerry.com, tell me what you think.

Buffy Orpington also wanted to hear about veterans' health care needs. The way veterans are treated in Washington has been a national disgrace. Huge tax cuts for the wealthiest among us - another tax cut for John Kerry while we've got cuts in services for homeless veterans, gaping holes in our budget for PTSD, and a billion dollar plus veterans' budget shortfall. The guy I emailed for the last two days -- Dan Akaka -- is a leader on this issue - he's the ranking member of Veterans Affairs committee in the Senate. Together we worked on legislation this year to increase funding for the VA and veterans centers across the country. You want to help veterans? Make him a chairman. And elect vets who have been there -- Pat Murphy -- Tammy Duckworth -- Joe Sestak -- and others of the 60+ veterans running as Democrats this year.


Thank you all for your response and your help and your support of our candidates - let's get out there.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:24 AM
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53. 879 comments and still going!
Wow. Just wow.

Great job, Kerry warriors!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:43 AM
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54. Some really good points made this morning
on Liberal Oasis. I recommend reading the whole post: http://www.liberaloasis.com/2006/08/use_the_issues.php

Here are a few highlights:

Lamont has just begun speaking to the non-primary constituency.

And he has shown his ability to dramatically turn poll numbers around through disciplined campaigning and a strong grassroots operation.

So this new poll does not mean that pessimism is in order.

But it does mean that the focus needs to be on winning over independent voters, not on getting Lieberman to drop out.

It was Lieberman who risked appearing undemocratic by thumbing his nose at the Democratic primary process.

He did it anyway, but after this poll, he got away with it. So we have to get over it.

To try to hound Lieberman out of the race will now be perceived as trying to undemocratically deny CT voters a full choice of candidates.

Furthermore, there's no way Lieberman will give up after getting 53% in a poll. It's a waste of time.

Similarly, hounding Washington Democrats to either support Lamont or to criticize Lieberman more vociferously is a waste of time.

CT voters did not vote for Lieberman because Bill Clinton showed up. And they won't care about what any out-of-state Senator has to say...


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #54
56. I disagree on one point, that out-of -state Democratic Senators etc
can't help Lamont. Helping Lamont is different than helping Lieberman.

Lieberman is a known quantity - people might come out to see Bill Clinton, because they admire him. He then said nice things about Lieberman. The only way this would help is if what Clinton said let them see something new and positive about Lieberman that would cause some people on the fence or slightly leaning to Lamont to reconsider. Given how well Lieberman and his positions are known - this isn't easy. The other thing is that the polls DID shift after Clinton's help and likely tightened the race.

With Lamont, there are still many people who simply don't know him. A Kerry, or Edwards or any other major figure brings him a crowd that he may not have gotten on his own. These people will then see the candidate speak. If he is good and can sell himself and his background and vision, he may win people over. The endorsement of many people you trust also has some impact - as do newspaper endorsements because they validate the choice.

In addition, I assume that people like Kerry can help the candidate sharpen his positions. (After last week, who better to speak to about the ramifications of the British bust than Kerry. I would be amazed if Kerry and Lamont didn't mention that subject in the Saturday conversation and that it would have made Lamont more certain in his responces.)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:27 AM
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58. I think it'll be more the behind the scenes aspect where Kerry
can really help out. He can raise money for Lamont and perhaps has some good advice against the rove smear machine (which Lieberman is obviously going to employ). It is true that Kerry endorsing and showing up for a rally for Webb did have a HUGE influence in Virginia, but I'm not sure how much his appearance in Conn. will affect things, since fans of Lieberman probably aren't fans of Kerry.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 08:57 AM
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55. Some comic relief about the trolls
There are some mother f***ing annoying trolls on that diary, mixed in with some lefty Deaniac whiners (VelvetDays, for example, is a Deaniac, who can't get over the primary). That Skull and Bones thread is just downright embarrassing. I hope he doesn't read that part. Anyway, this comment was in top comments of the day on dKos. I thought it was so great, I thought I would share:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/8/17/103757/038/10#10


There are people whom I call "insult trolls" who go cruising around looking for someone to attack. When they can't find enough gratification with the trolls in the Hidden Comments, they turn on regular Kossacks.

As I posted in another discussion, this all reminds me of the Monty Python skit:

M: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
R: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
M: No, I haven't, this is my first time.
R: I see. Well, do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
M: Well, what is the cost?
R: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
M: Well, I think it would be best if I perhaps started off with just the one and then see how it goes.
R: Fine. Well, I'll see who's free at the moment.
Pause
R: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory.
Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
M: Thank you.

(Walks down the hall. Opens door.)

Q: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M: Well, I was told outside that...
Q: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M: What?
Q: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, malodorous, pervert!!!
M: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q: Not at all.
M: Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!


by hrh on Thu Aug 17, 2006 at 07:46:14 AM PDT

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. Always loved that sketch!!
If anyone doesn't know it, they have it on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:40 AM
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59. Ready to kiss and makeup with one poster
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/18/111647/857

Ahm, I regret being less than fully sweet and fluffy with this same poster yesterday. I am ready to kiss and makeup. (And is it me or is there a 'Don't hit me again, I promise not to badmouth him' quality to this diary?)
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. Thanks for the link,
and everyone go shower love on this comment: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/8/18/111647/857/14#c14
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:29 AM
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63. done ... although a little late
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #60
69. Great comment (as was yours)
recommended both
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. Wow
What a turnaround. Don't regret it, I think it may have helped in writing his diary.
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demdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #59
62. Oh that is really satisfying to see!
way to go Kerrycrats.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:41 AM
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66. Check out Atrios
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 11:48 AM by whometense
here: http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_08_13_atrios_archive.html#115587205450242299

and this comment in particular! http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=atrios&comment=115587205450242299#8412620

If kerry can help Lamont win and also the three reps in CT get over the top he will be president in 2008. Any dem who actively and succesfully rebuilds the majority is headed to the whitehouse.

Go Kerry!
patience | 08.17.06 - 11:55 pm | #


AND this one! http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=atrios&comment=115587205450242299#8412643

Okay, Big John. You win. I'm yours all over again, you fool, you mad passionate fool!
strawhat | Homepage | 08.18.06 - 12:01 am | #
:D
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #66
70. lol, oh that's sweeet
"Okay, Big John. You win. I'm yours all over again, you fool, you mad passionate fool!"

:rofl:

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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:34 PM
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73. Somebody tell strawhat
to get in line :)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. Wow!
(the second one is funny)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #66
72. LOL! These were from
yesterday:




Kerry: Back on the boyfriend list.

Shit. I was so close to being over him, too.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=atrios&comment=115582934576508986#8409524



Kerry: Back on the boyfriend list.

Shit. I was so close to being over him, too.


A.
Athenae

I feel ya, girlfriend.


http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=atrios&comment=115582934576508986#8409564



http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_08_13_atrios_archive.html#115582934576508986
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. I KNEW IT!!!
Everyone - EVERYONE - has a top-secret crush on John Kerry, and that is just THAT.
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #72
76. Some other good ones from that thread:
I feel ya, girlfriend.
Tena | Homepage

Dammit me too!

JOHN! WHY CAN'T I QUIT YOU!!!

--in the the most heterosexual way of course.
.
hisstoryman,Hunter of Da Snark | Homepage | 08.17.06 - 12:15 pm | #



I guess I scoffed at him too, at first, but the guy hung in there and stuck to his guns. He's alright by me.
B1 Bummer | Homepage | 08.17.06 - 12:15 pm | #
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. oh, it feels
like VINDICATION.

How sweet...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. Those are great!
I'm loving this!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. That's it, I'm writing the pre-nup this week
Everyone who discovers their newly found undying love for the taller Sen from MA has to sign it. (Yeah, yeah, we stipulate undying love, now let's sign it so you can move on to the next phase.)

Sigh! You know what this means: we need a celebratory pic thread. I will be back on late and will contribute what pics I can edit down to fit.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:12 PM
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81. Great minds, etc.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. I think people's computers are going to start combusting
spontaneously from everyone's heart growing two more sizes. I mean look at his comments -- he just puts it all out there for everyone to see. His exuberance nearly comes right out of the computer.

I forgot to tell you guys -- I happened to be on the diary, when JK's comments came through -- you know how it does that auto update and userids start appearing, and the LAST thing I expected was to see "John Kerry" come up. It was literally like him walking into my kitchen. Ah, the internets, it is so fabulous.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:53 PM
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86. :-D n/t
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. Same here
When he posted his last comment and I was just posting mine, I saw his name and said dang, I have to find out where he is. Then I look and his comment was right under mine and all of a sudden this feeling came over me like he was standing right next to me. Ah, the internets.
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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:38 PM
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85. Haha, perfect! n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #78
82. This really is great -
It is funny that so many state it as they do.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. Yeah, espeically that
"Why can't I quit you," line. LOL!

I loved what was written in reply to one love note:

Okay, Big John. You win. I'm yours all over again, you fool, you mad passionate fool!

Set aside plenty of time for the seduction. Ents are not quicksilver lovers.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 08.18.06 - 12:03 am | #


Ahm, gee.


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Democrafty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #83
89. LOL.
Was that an insult, or an endorsement?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #89
93. Well, I don't know about anyone else
But I sure as hell consider it an endorsement. Ahm, :blush:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #59
75. That's awesome!
Had to comment and rec!
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #59
91. I don't regret what I said to him yesterday as he was dead wrong
But I posted a comment to let him know that I just gained a ton of respect for him - it takes a lot of integrity to admit you wer wrong and fully own up to your mistake, and Jeffrey did. He gets megakudos from me.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
80. Lieberman when Gore endorsed Dean - a little OT
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 01:10 PM by karynnj
Lieberman's comments then sound like now. The first 3 lash out at Gore (now, CT voters, and liberal Democrats) for disloyalty. The last - referencing a response to a reporter's questions - rejects the idea that it was something he did (post 2000 - bad mouthing Gore's populist swing in the campaign, now - the war). He is an extremely arrogant person - and has been for years.

"DURHAM, N.H., Dec. 9 -- Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) responded to his rejection by former vice president Al Gore with a sharp attack on Howard Dean on Tuesday, questioning Gore's judgment and warning that the former Vermont governor would lead the Democratic Party back into the political wilderness."
<snip>
"Lieberman, who was Gore's vice presidential running mate in 2000, said he was disappointed that Gore had not notified him before word leaked Monday and was shocked that Gore had decided to back Dean. "I was surprised that Al Gore would endorse a candidate who stands for so many things that Al Gore has not stood for, and has stood against in his life."
<snip>
"I don't have anything to say today about Al Gore's sense of loyalty, I really don't," he said, "and I have no regrets about the loyalty that I had to him when I waited until he decided whether he would run to make my decision because that was the right thing to do."
<snip>
Lieberman, speaking at a coffee shop here, said he had no idea whether his criticism of Gore's "people versus the powerful" message of 2000 -- criticism he has aired several times since that campaign -- contributed to Gore's decision. He said he has spoken with Gore "occasionally" and had sought his endorsement. "I hoped we would have a chance to speak before his decision," Lieberman said.





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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 03:27 PM
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90. This thing has gotten huge!
What an excellent response to Senator Kerry's diary. Aside from a few haters, the posts are overwhelmingly positive. IT'll take me a while to catch up from where I left it last night (650 posts compared to 925 now!!!)
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:25 PM
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92. Holy moley.
I had no idea he would still be getting comments this evening. Wow.
Certainly put a big smile on my face.

:D
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