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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:03 PM
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WTF? A DRAG?
WTF? I guess it is time to blame everyone's problems, failures, or mistakes on John Kerry. This is the kind of shit that make's my blood boil! So now anyone who lost it was because John was "emotionless, passionless, and humorless" GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK! These damn idiots need to grow up and act like the professionals they are supposed to be and paid to be instead of acting like a bunch of whiney ass fuckers without a brain.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=alStuEdM_Nz8&refer=us



Kerry a `Drag' on Some Statewide Races, Report Says (Update1)
Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Senator John Kerry's presidential candidacy was a ``drag'' on other Democrats and probably cost his party statewide victories in Alaska, Missouri, Oklahoma and South Dakota, a report on voter turnout said.

The report released today by the nonpartisan Committee for the Study of the American Electorate said exit polls showed more Democrats defected from their party than did Republicans. Kerry ``lacked clarity'' on issues and failed to present a vision for the future, the report said.

``He was a terrible candidate,'' said Curtis Gans, director of the committee. ``He was emotionless and passionless and humorless. He was mostly stiff and boring.''

Kerry got fewer votes than Democratic candidates for either governor or senator in 30 of 37 states, the report said. Republicans gained four seats in the Senate, including the defeat of the Senate's highest-ranking Democrat, Minority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota. Republicans have 55 seats and Democrats have 44, with one independent. Before the election, Republicans had 51 seats.

A spokesman for Kerry, the four-term Massachusetts senator, wasn't immediately available for comment. A spokesman for the Democratic National Committee didn't immediately return a phone call seeking comment.

Turnout in the Nov. 2 election was the highest since 1968, and 60.7 percent of eligible voters cast ballots for president, the report found. Turnout rose by 6.4 percent, or about 17 million votes, from the 2000 election, the report said.

Voter registration rose to 71 percent of people eligible, the highest level since 1964, when about 72 percent were registered.

President George W. Bush won more than 11.5 million votes over his 2000 total, and Kerry, who had 48.3 percent of the vote compared with Bush's 50.8 percent, received about 8 million more votes than Democrat Al Gore won four years before. More than 78 million people eligible to vote didn't do so, the report said.

Alaska, Oklahoma

In Alaska, incumbent Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski beat former Governor Tony Knowles to keep the Senate seat she was appointed to by her father. Republicans retained the seat of retiring Senator Don Nickles of Oklahoma. Republican Representative Tom Coburn won the seat.

In Missouri, Republican Secretary of State Matt Blunt defeated state auditor Claire McCaskill, a Democrat, in the race for governor.

The state with the highest turnout was Minnesota, where 77.3 percent of eligible voters cast ballots, followed by Maine, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Oregon. Hawaii had the lowest with 48.9 percent.

A December report by Michael McDonald, a political science professor at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, and a visiting scholar at the Brookings Institution in Washington, found that 60 percent of eligible voters cast a ballot for president. That was a 5.9 percent increase from 2000.

Bush's margin of victory of slightly more than 3 million votes, or 2.4 percentage points, was the closest for an incumbent president in U.S. history, according to McDonald.



To contact the reporter on this story:
Catherine Dodge in Washington at cdodge1@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this story:
Glenn Hall in Washington at ghall@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: January 14, 2005 13:32 EST



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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:27 PM
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1. Bah.
Nothing surprises me anymore, which is nice because I get mad a little slower. I use my anger to accomplish things but it can be draining after a while.

Oklahoma is dumb, anyway. Take it from someone who knows. :P
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 06:38 PM
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2. Are people just completely effing dense?
First, which exit polls were these, the ones that weren't "reliable" or the post-contamination ones?

Second, the fact that Kerry got LESS votes than other dem candidates is one of the indicators that fraud took place. Even Dems on this board who are full of bile for Kerry right now VOTED FOR KERRY. You don't shoot yourself in the foot because you think your candidate isn't "passionate" enough.

And third, as long as the pugs were moving votes around to steal the presidential election, what makes them think they weren't manipulating the other races as well?

GRRRR indeed! :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr:

This report, itself, is de facto evidence of fraud!
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:10 PM
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3. I agree about that.
I found a bunch of Freeper, right-wing, 60+% Republican counties in Ohio where not only did downballot Democrats get more votes than Kerry, but Ohio's Marriage Amendment got more votes against it (i.e., to not ban gay marriage) than there were votes for Kerry. And the language of the amendment was not ambiguous. AND these aforementioned right-wing counties were the ONLY places where said phenomenon reportedly occurred. Fraud, anyone???

It's OK. This crap is frustrating now, but when the investigations show that this election was stolen, all these punks will have to have to have a medical emergency response team to remove their feet from their mouths. It's something to look forward to.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:21 PM
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6. This Is Truly Dumb As Hell
These sorry ass people need to get a damn life and grow up! When I read this shit all the hell I could think was how fuckin ignorant people in this country are anymore. It no damn wonder we are the laughing stock in other countries the way we are. People in other countries look at Americans and just shake their damn heads and laugh. It is embarassing as hell. And all because of whiney ass, dumbass fuckers like these. :grr: :grr:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:15 PM
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4. Maybe I'm dense
I liked his passion and emotion, and his sense of humor.

Did they want him to show emotion Tammy Faye Baker style?
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 07:18 PM
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5. Oh, that is such bullshit!
Local races are hugely influenced by LOCAL POLITICS, duh.

In my state (IL), yes, definitely the Democratic Senate candidate got a LOT more votes than Kerry did, it's true. That's at least partly because the Repubs here completely self-destructed! Due to a lot of factors UNIQUE TO THIS STATE, only moderate, sane Republicans (who've actually lived here longer than a week) can win statewide office. However, Alan Keyes might well have won in, say, Oklahoma (well, at least he might if he were white)--their frothing wingnut Coburn with his horror tales of rampaging lesbian schoolgirls did!


What real evidence do they have here? Ooh, an incumbent with family connections kept her seat in Alaska! How shocking! Blame Kerry!

Gee, a viciously targeted Senator in South Dakota lost his seat (amid widespread accounts of election fraud in largely Native American areas)? Must be Kerry's kiss of death again! It certainly isn't Republicans playing dirty, oh no!

Keep NOT returning those calls, Kerry office. This bullshit isn't worth an unpaid intern's five minutes.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 08:30 PM
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7. Can I be an unpaid intern?
:evilgrin:

Ha, that added nothing productive to this thread.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:05 PM
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8. Gawd, what do these people want
Ya get 6 1/2 million more votes than 2000 (that we know of, hehehehe) and people still dump on you. To hell with them. I hate their news anyway. Bloomberg, feh!
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 09:11 PM
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9. I stopped reading things that make me mad
I don't feel like having a coronary because of freeping assholes. Life's too short for idiots; I prefer to spend my time on happier things, like wishing I were John Kerry's "unpaid intern."

Sigh.... :loveya:
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:27 PM
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10. Unpaid Intern!
WildEyedLiberal is keeping it kinky!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 10:39 PM
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11. Sorry Not Trying To Make You Sad
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 10:43 PM by angrydemocrat
Actually I Want You PISSED! So pissed you are ready to fight these assholes that are trying to destroy Kerry. Kerry needs us fighting for him. These assholes are determine to destroy him while people like us are determine by hell they are the only ones going to be destroyed! Fight, Fight, Fight!!! Kerry, Kerry, Kerry!!!

Edit to say: We are the troops that are "REPORTING FOR DUTY!"
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 06:24 AM
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15. Oh, I am totally pissed, believe me
I hate them. I bide my time until the day they are destroyed. I will do whatever I can for Kerry over the next four years, and I won't stop until I attend his Inauguration.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:14 PM
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12. It's not his fault if they couldn't get their shit together
on a local level. He could only do so much. Also, those states trend conservative. It's not as they made amazing local gains like in Colorado. What a stupid article.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:25 PM
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13. Pissed Me Off
Hell because these other people can't get their shit together it's all Kerry's faults. Because they don't have since enough to make sure their damn voting machines aren't rigged it's all Kerry's fault. Fuck these whiney ass people. This is just example of what Kerry and his supporters will be fighting for the next four years! By hell I say lets rally the troops and stage a all out war against these fuckers!

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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-05 11:30 PM
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14. Seriously
You swear he can mobilize the Democratic forces singlehandedly. Especially in fucking Oklahoma or whatever other conservative strongholds they were whining about.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 10:54 AM
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16. it's so stupid!

Of course JK got less votes than other Dems on the ticket! He was the one with a muti-million dollar smear campaign directed at him for ten months non-stop!

That is if you believe that they really did count all of the votes. So easy to hack those totals in the machines. So easy.

All of these after-the-fact stories worry me, because they are creating a narrative that people will believe through to 2008.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-05 03:08 PM
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17. Abraham Lincoln: emotionless and humorless
And in other news, it was reported that had FDR been alive today, his appearance would have decreased Letterman's ratings by at least 2%.

Interviews have also been unearthed which show that voters didn't feel a personal connection with Woodrow Wilson. "I don't know, I just wouldn't feel comfortable having a beer with the fellow," one citizen confided.

I'm sorry, angrydemocrat...just trying to cheer us up. This Monday morning quarterbacking they're doing now puzzles me.

BTW, I thought Kerry was very funny on Letterman!

-wildflower
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