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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:48 AM
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Picking The President By Mail
This column from the Nation, written by James K. Galbraith on November 16, 2004, turned up today in my Kerry news alert. I don't remember it, but it contains some really interesting items.

...Kerry did very well in Ohio. By the method described in the previous section, he exceeded his "expected vote" -- based on Al Gore's 2000 performance -- by nineteen full percentage points. This was better than Bush's gains in the state, which were seventeen points above expected values, in a state where turnout rose by just under ten full percentage points, from 53 to nearly 63 percent. Kerry's campaign had a terrific ground operation, which had canvassed his strong neighborhoods repeatedly and knew his voters. If Kerry lost the state, it was because Bush did just well enough so that Kerry could not quite overcome the deficit with which he'd started. Yet -- as I wrote earlier -- a scandal of this election became clear to me personally at 6:30 PM on election day, as I drove a first-time voter to her polling place in south Columbus. We arrived to find voters lined up outside, three and four across, for about a hundred yards, in the rain. Later the line moved indoors; we were told that the wait had averaged two hours for the entire day. By the time the doors closed at 7:30 PM, it was considerably longer.

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The remedy is voting by mail, the system now in place in the state of Oregon. In Oregon, there are no election day problems, because there is no election day. Instead, ballots are mailed to voters at their registered address, filled out and returned, with a signature verification. Participation rates are high -- 63 percent of the voting age population this year, against a national average of 53 percent. Fraud is virtually nil. And as the ballots are paper (they are read by a scanning machine), there is a verifiable paper trail.

Incidentally, Kerry did very well in Oregon. He beat his "expected vote" there by 17 percent, while Bush beat his by only 9 percent. Kerry's gain relative to Bush's in Oregon was his fifth-best overall and the best, for him, of any significant state. Thus Kerry sharply improved on Gore's narrow win in Oregon. It's likely that the fact that votes were cast early -- closer to the debates and before the final advertising onslaughts -- played an important role in this result. But this is not a partisan effect; the Democratic debate advantage is not an institutional matter. Had Bush won the debates, he likely would have sewed up the election immediately, under vote-by-mail.

Taking the Oregon system to the national level would have several dramatic effects. Voting would start weeks before the election day; thus the importance of an effective political organization to register voters and insure their participation would rise. Meanwhile, the role of advertising would decline. Late advertisements, which are often highly misleading, would be seen mainly by those who had already cast their votes. "October surprises," such as the late appearance of Osama bin Laden in the 2004 election, would lose their importance, for the same reason.

On election day there would be no bottlenecks at the polls, because there would be no polls. All the money spent on election officials would be saved. So would much now spent on voting machines. Only enough would be required to count ballots, over a period of weeks, at a central location in each county. Election day challenges and get-out-the-vote drives would end. Private corporations and their occult vote-counting machinery would be driven out of the elections business, into which they should never have been allowed to enter. The atmosphere of low-grade thuggery and suspicion that now surrounds the act of voting in many places would disappear. So would the corrosive doubts about the integrity of the outcome.

But most of all -- and most wonderfully -- vote-by-mail would end the practice of exit polls and the reporting of partial counts. And with that would end the noxious night of watching the networks pontificate about an outcome on which they have privileged, though usually defective, information. Instead, each state would report its tally when, at the end of the evening, the count is completed. There would be a relatively brief window of great excitement. Then the election would be over. And the result would be known. For sure.

Vote by mail could be put in place by a simple act of Congress, setting appropriate standards, or by state legislatures acting one by one. Unlike Electoral College reform it is not a constitutional matter. It would place voting on the same basis as filing taxes or filling out the census -- processes no one supposes to be perfect, but that are largely handled with minimal and acceptable error. Instituting the Oregon system should be the first priority for electoral reform in the years ahead. It is the only way, currently available, to assure both the right to vote and the right to a clean and accurate count.


James K. Galbraith, professor at the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas, Austin,, is Salon's economics correspondent.


By James K. GalbraithReprinted with permission from The Nation.


What do you all think?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:59 PM
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1. Hey, I live in Oregon
I'm sold!! Also, IIRC, 50% of the vote was still cast on election day so I don't think voting near the debates, or that kind of thing, mattered. It may have been higher than 50%, but I know it was at least that much. Also, when they look at Oregon, they always forget to look at the very larger Nader vote in 2000. It was 5-6%, somewhere around there. We did keep them all though. Oddly, even though Kerry won pretty big here, we lost some pretty basic initiatives. Gay marriage aside, we also lost an important land use initiative and an environmental state forest initiative. So this state can be pretty schizophrenic.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:02 PM
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2. But at least
you do voting process correctly!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:15 PM
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4. I like it
But I do worry when I read some of the shenanigans that go on in the rest of the country. The drop-off boxes literally just sit outside. Most of them are in front of the library and other places like that. Ours is in front of the police station, which I think is intimidating but the locals think provides security. It's the only one in the state that's at a police station. :eyes: But I wonder how much fraud could go on with this system in cities and states that are notorious for ballot tampering already.

There's also the problem of replacement ballots on election day, we would have to drive 60 miles to get one. Nobody seems to think that's a problem either. Portland is also the only metropolitan area and I don't know if other large cities would have crowding at drop off boxes just like there's crowding at precincts. And, like the accusation in Florida, there is the possibility of fraud in picking up ballots. So I'm not entirely sure it would be a cure-all, although I do push it because it would be good for an awful lot of states and resolve alot of issues that we're currently facing.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:41 PM
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8. I have a stupid question Sandnsea
Do you actually mail your ballot in (US Postal) or drop it off at a pre-determined site (which is what I gathered from reading your post - A brilliant deduction on my part, I know.) Sounds like maybe there are a few kinks that could be worked out with the Oregon system as a model for the nation, but overall I think it would probably be a better system than the one we currently have. (An of course since it's a good idea, it will probably never happen. Sigh.)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:09 PM
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10. Either one
I think there has to be an option to drop it off so that nobody is prevented from voting over the cost of a stamp. Sometimes I drop off, sometimes I mail. When I got my Kerry ballot, I RAAAANNN to the drop off box to VOTE!! (Well, I drove really) Otherwise I usually just stick a stamp on.

There aren't many problems with the mail-in within the state. When I checked that voter problem database web site, every Oregon problem was a registration problem. That is so easy to fix and the Baker-Carter report suggested the fix, numbered registration cards with receipts. (I suggested receipts a year ago, but hey, who am I) I also think the tabulating software should be open source, we've been trying to get that passed. I'd be willing to have it in an escrow account as the B/C report suggested though. And there should be a requirement for a percentage to be handcounted for accuracy. Although, our county voting person said they have to do that anyway because that's how they make sure the machine is working before they count the votes. I don't know what you do about fraud on that level.

The thing is, Oregon doesn't have much of a history of corrupt voting. The guy who picks up the votes here is a Democrat, nobody complains or suggests that a person from both parties and an independent observer cart the ballots to the county every day. He just does it when he's headed to Eugene. Can you imagine that being acceptable in some of these highly partisan places? That's the part that would need to be implemented very slowly in order to catch any fraud.

Although, with mail-in you also have an opportunity to know whether your vote arrived ahead of time, you just call. And if you don't get your ballot, you've got 2-3 weeks to figure out what happened.

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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:08 PM
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11. Thanks for explaining!
I particularly like the part you mentioned last about being able to check to make sure your mail-in ballot arrived at its destination. I just wonder if there's too much corruption in some places for this to work nationwide. I would hope so but as we know, if the Rethugs can find a way to cheat, they will cheat!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:11 PM
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3. In addition to the vote by mail issue, this article very nicely
talks about Kerry's Ohio campaign. There have been so many attempts to let Kerry's run go down as mediocre when he really did a pretty incredible job (and if there were enough machines in Ohio, who knows what the result would be.)

If it turns out there really was fraud in the tabulations, the truth might be that Kerry really had a very smart campaign strategy and that in a state he needed to win he pulled (est) more than 20% more votes than Gore, in spite of running against an incumbent in a time of war with pretty unfriendly media.

What would be interesting would be to see if the votes for Kerry in these too early polls are disproportionately from the swing states. The one problem with the swing state strategy is that the people in the safe states didn't get to know him.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:17 PM
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5. ANd it depressed the overall Dem vote
One of the things tht made the issue of 'election fraud' so hard to fight was that, nationally, Kerry 'lost' by 3 1/2 milion votes. (Fraud aside.) Looking deeply at this there is evidence that people in blue states stayed home and kept the blue vote count down. (They already knew how their stae would vote and they were not pressed to GOTV.)

The 50 state strategy is important and the best way to go.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:02 PM
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6. the popular vote should be emphasized
In addition to "showing up" in all states, people who speak about the campaign should emphasize the importance of voting, blue state or not, and say why. Everyone says "get out and vote" but don't really say that it is more than winning your own state--it is to give the candidate a popular majority overall.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:39 PM
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7. In a way it's a really tough trade off
A win is determined by the electoral congress and it really did come down to a pretty small number of states. With normal media, it's ok - I don't think Clinton ever came near either, but we saw him on TV. I still wonder if it was the media's fear of Bush, their love of Bush, or possibly a specific dislike of Kerry.

I wonder if Kerry's plan isn't to appear in red and blue states over the next two years to get the good local press and to have enough people actually see him. It also is to be seen how well Hillary does in a long campaign. (One problem she might have is that her opponents this year and in 2000 are pathetic - so she may have no expertise against a stronger candidate.)
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:02 PM
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9. Lots of good information in the article.
What really bugs me, though, is how a state's sec of state can also be chair of a candidate's election committee. The person responsible for oversight of the election runs one of the candidate's campaigns. That just strikes me as so bizarre, it's almost unimaginable.
I think we should let Howard Dean count all the votes in '06 and '08. That would be fair.

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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:29 PM
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12. Voting by mail is one possible solution.
Unfortunately, election fraud is still possible in a voting-by-mail system if the ballots are scanned through a tabulator that is programmed in any way. A lot of the suspected computer fraud in Ohio was not in electronic voting machines, but in tabulators in county offices -- tabulators that scanned paper ballots.

But voting by mail is still a good start.
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