A nice Kerry thread that got turned into an idiotic flamewar

[WildEyedLiberal]

Was locked by a Moderator with this message:

Moderator
60. Locking


Once again any action by Senator Kerry has devolved into a flame war.

Unfortunate





Well, since any action by Senator Kerry posted on DU seems to dissolve into a flamewar, you'd think the mods and admins would realize that the only way to stop this would be to ban all the long-time offenders who do NOTHING else but look for JK threads to piss on. I mean, I could help them out, I basically have all of them on my ignore list, and quite frankly, this level 3 that disabled my ignore list reminded me why I ignored the idiots in the first place.

I'm NOT unappreciative of the work the mods do. I am very thankful that they've locked the last several obviously flamebait threads I've seen, and I'm not trying to question them. I just wish that, if they can see an obvious pattern (eg, everything Kerry does leads to a flamewar because dumbasses come in just to bitch about him), then it seems that more proactive steps beyond just locking threads and deleting messages should be taken. Sigh.

[politicasista]

1. Another one was locked today

About Kerry not doing enough for Katrina victims. Gee.

[MH1]

2. My apologies...

I don't know, was it better to ignore the asshat?
:shrug: (serious question; opinions welcome.)

Really, there were a couple other flames on that thread but only the one real jerkette who kept coming back with her b.s. I didn't expect the thread to be locked.

And oh btw, that poster started another thread to continue the flamewar. I didn't bother to post on that one though.

I'm still learning how to play the DU game.

[WildEyedLiberal]

3. I think this was a different post

The thread that was locked with the message I was referring to was about Kerry's statement re: Rehnquist. My point is, the mods KNOW that every time Kerry is brought up, a pointless and idiotic flamewar arises because there are some trolls/lefty freepers/morans who flock to nice JK threads like moths to a flame. So why not ban the users who are repeat offenders of this stupidity? Is this not DEMOCRATIC underground? Why can I not post or read about nice news about the last Democratic nominee for president and one of our most liberal senators without having to fend off the flamers as if I am on FR or some non-liberal board? It's bullshit, and I know the ones who shit on JK threads most often are serial offenders, because I have them all on ignore, and with this level 3 thing disabling my ignore list, I am able to see these threads and they're filled with people who I ordinarily have ignored. Why these people who chronically seek out Kerry threads just to piss all over them are still at DU boggles my mind.

As for responding to them, I think it's good for us to go in there and respond, if nothing else for the lurkers who don't post and who are reading that thread, so they can read your post and see how stupid the bashers are. But don't get into an actual argument with the bashers, because it is counterproductive and pointless. They will never be convinced, they are just whiny self-absorbed martyrs who want to bitch and moan about something and they are worthless. Just get in there, rebut their idiocy with logic, alert the thread as flamebait, and get out. That's really the only way to deal with these flaming assholes.

[karynnj]

4. The real question is whether they would still be here

if it was Clark or Dean that they ALWAYS did this to. I'm half tempted to create another name and do it as an experiment, but I don't think I could justify degrading those threads. The ones I question the most are those who go beyond criticizing his charisma or positions, but feel the need to attack his integrity or character. I NEVER see anyone do that to Clark, Dean. (Other than the Clintons, no one else gets this treatment.)

I personally think the moderators should at least make multiple mentions of a certain frat grounds for tombstoning.

[Vektor]

5. Also - this behavior you describe

of "the long term offenders looking for Kerry threads to piss on" is just as bad as, if not worse than the trolls that show up from Freepland to disrupt. Constant petty attacks like this hurt the party, are anti-progressive (regressive!) and no better that RW attacks. We ban RW assholes after one foul post, but those who eat their own are allowed to linger for years, racking up 20,000 posts with this mindless drivel. This causes far more damage that some fundie ass hat who drops in and screams "FUCK YOU LIBRAL COMMIES!!1111! YOU SUCK!!1" and is promptly removed.

Also, I have seen on these conservative sites where they coach their members on how to infiltrate DU and "blend in" by "supporting" another Dem candidate, all the while smearing the shit out of the only Dem they really see as a threat, John Kerry. Their rationale? It's easy to get away with bashing Kerry if you pretend to be so left that Kerry's too right, and that the other "lefty moonbats" (hahahaha) will jump right in and back you up. Best of all, the mods will let you stay indefinitely.

Tell me again how allowing this is pro-Dem?

[karynnj]

6. The conservative RW sees ONLY Kerry as a threat?

It's interesting that they still worry so much about him. It makes sense, I guess, because even if he never again ran for President - he could be a threat as a Senator (if we get back the Senate) or as Attorney General if some other Democrat were to win. Even out of office, he could be a threat. His life is so incredible, a biography or an autobiography focusing more on the Senate investigations could if the time is right shine light on the evil side of the RW.

I agree that it does LW slurs do create havoc - your comment may mean that even some with many posts may just be RW ers hitting a person they still fear. Do they encourage attacking Hillary - the candidate the MSM seems to think is the fore ordained winner? The Hillary bashing seems more that the board is to the left of her - though her record is so short and it's been such a bizarre time period, it's hard to know who she really is. (Odd to say about one of the most famous woman in the country.)

Are there Democratic candidates they would like to run against?

[Vektor]

7. Mostly.

He certainly stirred up a lot of vitriol when he ran against their Chimp in Chief.

[TayTay]

8. That vitriol goes way, way back

They hate Kerry. He goes way back with these Rethugs and they would absolutely hate him to get anything. They would rather he go away. And they will do anything to make that happen.

[whometense]

9. He is their worst nightmare.

He does his homework.

He knows right from wrong.

They don't scare him.

No one owns him.

He is truly like that tracker guy from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. He never gives up. He'll never forget.

[ray of light]

10. maybe that statement should just be posted each time

you see one going on. And let people know that you really don't know if this person is intentionally trying to "put a wedge in the dem party."