What do you guys think of this thread?

[politicasista]

I didn't reply to this, but is it Pro or Anti-Kerry?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3367115

[politicasista]

1. It looks like nobody but us wants Kerry to run again.

Sad cause he would have made a good president. :nopity:

[JI7]

2. DU does not represent the Party

you need to stop letting what goes on at DU get you down. Kerry didn't have support on DU during the Primary either but he won the Primary.

if Kerry wants to run again he will have to convince the voters in the Primary to vote for him. nobody makes their final decisions right now. many who don't support him now might end up being convinced to support him then. many who do support him now may end up supporting someone else later.

[politicasista]

4. Agree

It's just too early to speculate though.

[blm]

9. Why the depressing attitude?

I don't understand why anyone would get so mopy over stuff like this.

Kerry didn't win the primaries because of people here at DU and he won't not run again because of people at DU.

There is also no need to attack people for their support of a former primary candidate, as if that determines why they dislike Kerry.

It all comes down to who BOTHERS to take the time to examine the public works, efforts and writings of ANY candidate.

Those who bother almost always come down in favor of Kerry the man and the candidate.

Those who don't should be educated, not mocked or dumped on.

I repeat myself incessantly because MANY are still ignorant of much of the facts surrounding Kerry and his works. I don't like doing it, but, it's the least I can do.

[politicasista]

11. Sorry blm

I didn't mean to make everyone mad. It's was a tough week last week, but I feel great now.

[blm]

12. Things are tough for most of the country it seems.

I understand wanting to pack it all in....I'm human...and I'm tired. But, damn, if fighting BushInc fascism doesn't keep me from bottoming out.....heh...I'm not going down without seeing them brought down first and this nation's democracy restored.

[ginnyinWI]

3. I think it is pro

The poster is being realistic, though. I tend to agree with their idea; I can't see Democrats giving JK another chance unless fraud is uncovered that shows he would have won. The only other reason would be that there just aren't any other viable candidates out there, but the chance of that isn't so high. I'm not giving my OWN opinion here, of course! But I'm biased!

[politicasista]

5. It's all good

It's just been an up and down week for me, but luckilly this week will be better.

[TayTay]

6. I wrote a response

About John Kerry running again and efforts to 'stop him.'

He can run again if he wants to. He has a base of support that exceeds what he had in 2007. (You know, before the primaries.) He has money and he has supporters with money who have stuck with him. He can, therefore, run if he wishes to run.

Should he do so there will be people who (heavens) want another candidate to get the nomination. They will move heaven and earth, as supporters of political candidates are known to do, in an effort to get their candidate money, votes and primary wins. It will be a fight. Usually, this is what happens when more than one candidate contests for a political prize. As I do not anticipate the Democrats outlawing multiple candidates in their Presidential primaries, I anticipate that it will be OK for the Senator from Massachusetts to run if he wants to.

Should he get more people to vote for him in the primaries (and if he raises enough money to pay staff in the long months before any primary votes are actually cast) he might win. But he might not. It all depends on events that are a long time in the future. But he is legally entitled to run, unless some Democrats succeed in outlawing the practice. (How else do people propose to stop him anyway?)

Snarky, huh! I can be a wicked smart-ass sometimes.

[JI7]

7. i just read your response in that thread and it was great

and it was exactly on point and realistic.

the fact is even if he is shown to have really won in 2004 it doesn't gaurantee he could win the primary again. and of course the opposite is true also, even if he can't show he won he might still end up winning again if he runs. remember, Lieberman used the 2000 elections as one of the reasons people should support him.

but as you say he has a right to run and there are people who support him doing so. maybe he wont end up winning in the end as is the case with everyone except 1 candidate . and maybe he will end up winning.

[karynnj]

10. But Lieberman was on the ticket only because Gore picked him.

The better comparison is with Gore. There was a long period where Gore was seen as a strong potential 2004 candidate. Name recognition was possibly the main fuel for it. If he had not come back with a beard and much heavier than he was before (the 2 together making him seem to have not handled the loss (theft) well.), he would probably have continued to be way out ahead in the polls of who people wanted. Kerry on the other hand was acting in a positive dynamic way practically from the moment of his loss. Initially he is polling second to Hillary.

The early polls are quite volatile - Dean was nowhere and then top within 2 months, with NOTHING real happening. It has only been about 5 months since the last election. Hillary will be under intense scrutiny, people here have already listed some of her faux pas and faults. The media is clearly building her up - she is intelligent, well spoken, and would be the first woman to have a serious shot at the Presidency.

Although obviously anything could happen between now and 2007, I would argue that there is as much chance for Hillary to falter as to succeed. I am really leery of all the Hillary is so smart because she is moving to the center arguments. First, it makes her look cynical and unprincipled. This may, unfairly, be more an issue for her than for some others, because it was also true of Bill Clinton. If the media starts spreading information on anything that defines Hillary as unethical, unprincipled or dishonest, it may benefit Kerry the most as most Democrats, even after he lost criticized him for many things, but always added that he was a good, decent, clean man. (this would be esp true if he goes through with dealing with his military record.)

From the list of those running, Kerry may be the only one with liberal credentials. (Other than Feingold - who's been mentioned as a long shot.) If IA and NH are first, the fact that Kerry seems to connect best in person could cause a surprise there again. For many people it would be renewing a connection which could be easier than making a new one.

[ginnyinWI]

8. you give me hope, taytay! n/t