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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 07:01 PM
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Senator Kerry -"White House Must Get ‘Serious’
About Climate Talks"

"President Barack Obama needs to get “really serious” about making progress ahead of December climate treaty negotiations in Copenhagen, Democratic Senator John Kerry said.

“Time is beginning to run short on the Copenhagen effort,” Kerry said today in Washington at a conference on global warming and national security. “The administration has got to get really serious.”


"The U.S. and almost 200 other countries face a deadline in Copenhagen to agree on terms for a new accord to control climate change and replace the Kyoto Protocol in 2012. Kerry said meetings among world leaders later this month in New York and Pittsburgh will be crucial in the attempt to lay stronger groundwork ahead of the talks starting Dec 7.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=aW3yjljxDpdA
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 07:46 PM
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1. We might have trouble on the Ag Committee
Harkin replaces Kennedy as chair of Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and the chairmanship of the Ag Committee now goes to Blanche Lincoln, who has opposed cap-and-trade and seems to want to drag her feet on climate action.

http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/09/10/10climatewire-new-ag-chairwoman-may-not-change-senate-dyna-32661.html

I just saw that today and groaned. I don't know how important it is for the Ag Committee to be on board for climate change legislation but it seems we'd be better off with a real ally there. And Lincoln chairing Ag seems less than desirable for other reasons too. :(

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:41 PM
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2. Oh no, I wasn't aware of that.
Maybe now that she is a chairman, her and Kerry can have a chairman (chairwoman?)to chairman talk. I would think it is important for the Ag committee to fully support this.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:21 PM
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3. It would have been better to stil have Harkin there
but I assume that Kerry would have had to win Lincoln over to the logic and need to take action. He will have to get all or nearly all Democrats. She is up for re-election in 2010, which could work either way. (I wonder what their relationship is - they are on the Finance Committee together.)
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:57 AM
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6. But OTOH it's good
to have Harkin replace Teddy (wasn't the alternative Johnson? or of course Dodd). Unintended consequences...
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:16 PM
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4. In defense of Lincoln, she has to represent Arkansas.
Anyone see the latest polls from that state? More people there believe Obama was not born in the U.S. than do. They admire Rush Limbaugh more than the POTUS.

I think we are lucky we have a Dem from that state. I hear y'all on how she is not a reliable Dem and how this Ag chairmanship has swung out, but geez .... again, this is the state of Arkansas we are talking about here.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:44 PM
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5. Two Dem Senators, Dem Governor, Dem Statehouse
4 of 5 Dem Reps.

We've simply got to figure out how to get these people to stop listening to garbage.

Do you know more Arkansans voted for John Kerry than Obama?? Now that is really something.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:28 AM
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7. Interesting observation on 2004 vs 2008
Given that the shift the entire country experienced between those years, I wonder if this could be racism (which diluted Obama's numbers) or maybe Kerry's background as a vet had some impact in spite of the SBVT. Could the primaries against the Clintons have hurt.

Or did RW media become more dominant there even between those years. It is very troubling that they prefer the disgusting Limbaugh to the President.

You are 100% right that somehow we need to convince people that that stuff is garbage. It makes it clear to me why Obama did the right thing in directly attacking Limbaugh.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:18 PM
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12. Really interesting.
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 01:19 PM by ProSense
I really believe the posturing by some of these Dems from conservative states is part laziness and part an inability to really lead. You can see it in the health care debate, in which conservative Dems are all over the place.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:24 PM
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19. I agree, that's really interesting
I also suspect the Kerry/Obama statistic has to do with racism. Maybe not even conscious racism, but a cultural immersion kind of thing. Or maybe I'm completely wrong... apologies to any Arkansans who might be reading this, but it does seem very odd.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:27 PM
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23. A relative of mine lived there a couple of years. She who could adapt
to any country or state found it extremely difficult to adjust to living there. Not just racism, but very provincial.

Also, maybe a coincidence, but she never met so many people anywhere in the world who had cheated on their spouses, than when she was in Arkansas. Bill may have just been behaving normally for Arkansas. (to be clear, both men and women were cheaters)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:24 PM
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22. Dixiecrat types, who don't care about the environment.
Nor do their voters.

And yup -- I know that stat, too.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:21 PM
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18. Oh, I understand about her having to represent her state
and what a tough thing it must be to do that. But I still don't want her chairing ANY committee having anything to do with the environment, based on what I've read of her record and positions. Sigh.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:32 PM
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24. Yup. Basically any Dem who represents the South will be bad on the environment.
People just couldn't care less about the environment in the South (obviously a sweeping statement not 100% true, but I am just saying on average). It may be that after going through very difficult economic times for probably over a 100 years following the Civil War, they started coming back by building, building, building and enticing, enticing, enticing corporations to come here. Only the jobs mattered. Stopping for a moment and considering environmental impact was considered to be getting in the way of progress. That mentality continues, unfortunately.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 09:52 AM
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8. A nice article on the speech and a blog with the text
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 10:00 AM by karynnj
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:35 PM
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9. There is jockeying to define jurisdiction and Baucus wants this bill
according to a report out of http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/Baucus_makes_a_grab_for_climate_bill-58976922.html">NBC Philadelphia.



For liberal Democrats unhappy with the way Max Baucus is handling health care reform, here’s another dose of bad news: He’s got his hands on climate and energy, too.

Behind closed doors, Sen. Baucus has been staking his claim on major aspects of the climate bill, including financing for a cap-and-trade system.

His power play could put Baucus at the helm of the Obama administration’s domestic agenda, giving an unpredictable Montana Democrat control over legislative proposals that could define the Democratic Party for years to come.

“He’s swung from liberal to conservative,” said Montana pollster Craig Wilson, noting Baucus’s support of the 2001 Bush tax cuts and the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill. “He’s been a bit of an unpredictable vote for the Democrats.”



Sen. Baucus has an energy subcommittee in Finance that formed last year. It has held hearings on the subject of how to combat global warming and how to fund that fight.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:48 PM
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10. this does not make me happy : ( n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:50 PM
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11. Well, the Finace committee is always described as powerful
I hope that Kerry's relationship with him, helps Kerry channel Baucus's actions in a helpful direction. (I wonder if it helps that Kerry is on the committee and that Kerry's funding suggestion on health care won inclusion in Baucus' bill.)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:51 PM
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15. What? I don't want this man involved in any of this.
How can he be stopped? He is partially responsible for the difficulties regarding a health care bill. Now he may be free to screw up climate change legislation. It is obvious, Baucas major concern is his own self interests.
Senator Kerry must know this though, I have to wonder what his take is on this matter. I know, I am not pleased that Baucus could have a lot of influence in deciding what is important and what is not in regards to climate change.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:36 PM
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25. That is very bad news. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:23 PM
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13. This issue needed someone
with Kerry's conviction to keep it at the forefront. The fact that it hasn't fallen by the wayside has a lot to do with his (and Boxer's) persistence. The MSM has definitely been reporting on its progress. I like this quote from a NYT article:

"We're burning and churning with CBO and with the EPA," Kerry said. "We're just running by them. The minute you nix something here, or change something, you change the overall formula and outcomes. And we need to know what the costs are, and what the impacts are."

Kerry also declined to talk timelines. "I'm not going to make a prediction on a date, so we don't fall short of something," he said. "But obviously, we're trying to move it as fast as we can this month."



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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:45 PM
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14. Which is why Baucus' aides have been quietly working on the issue to help GOP put brakes on any
progress Boxer and Kerry have been making - he's turning into pure scum.

I posted philly article on Baucus in GD.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:55 PM
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16. His motives are getting more and more difficult to defend. I wonder if he is getting paid by Repubs
to undermine our party?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:17 PM
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17. Blackmail has been a tactic hardwired in DC since GHWBush ramped it up in earnest for Nixon
and has become a staple fallback for the fascists.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:46 PM
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21. Interesting. n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:45 PM
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20. Oh, I so totally agree with this. We need Senator Kerry and Senator Boxer to lead this.
I know of know one,including VP Gore, who has been more passionate and involved in this issue than Senator Kerry. And, of course, Senator Boxer.

Baucus seems like a slap in the face to everyone who realizes just how serious this issue is.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:32 PM
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26. Kerry comments on WH emissions announcement
White House Rolls Out Details of Auto Fuel Economy, Emissions Standard

Senate Foreign Relations Chairman John Kerry (D-Mass.) said today's announcement would also help send a message to the international community, while still assuring Americans that Obama is viewing environmental decisions through an economic lens.

"The administration, moving forward today through its executive administrative capacity, is a very important component of sending a message to people that we're going to do this across the economy in ways that make sense," Kerry said. "I welcome it. It's long overdue."




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 05:44 PM
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27. Kerry's statement on today's announcement
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