Biden wanting a resolution to reauthorize the war - where did we hear that before

[karynnj]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3116233

This falls under the category that some people have class and some don't. Some have ideas and others take without attribution.

I remember Senator Kerry's impassioned comments at the SFRC the day he announced he wasn't running - and I remember his comments on intending to circulate a resolution. Here's the link to the transcript provided by Tay Tay. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x121902#121916

I heard Biden on TV yesterday and he didn't mention anyone but himself. I wasn't for him - but I think I will email his office pointing out that this classless act takes him off my list more than the shooting off his mouth did.

Seeing things like this make me more impressed that Kerry does credit others that went before him and people at his side. Somehow, that generosity should be more noticed and rewarded.

[Mass]

1. I remember Biden and Lugar talking about that before the winter recess.

So did Warner, btw. Not everything revolves to Kerry.

Not sure this is important. Not that Biden would not be able to do that. I think, in this case, this is basically what everybody who files a bill saying what to do in Iraq and trying to constraint Bush does, nothing particular to Biden, Kerry, or anybodt else.

I wished Kerry would file HIS bill, so that we know what will be in it.

I also wished he would co-sponsor Obama's bill, because it is the closest to what he wants to do and people need to unite if they want to achieve something (with all the reservations I have with the bill). I also wished he cosponsored Feingold's bill, but I can see his objections.

It is time for those who are serious to unite and do something. The house was able to do that. Why is it that the Senate does not seem to be able to do that.

The only think I care right now is that the Senate stop this stupid game, vote on something that is meaningful, and that things can advance.

The point is that presidential candidates will tell us what THEIR plan is, without giving anything recognition. Edwards did that yesterday, "stealing" one of Murtha's idea.

[MBS]

I'm with you, karynnj

It just makes me weary.

[blm]

2. I remember it as part of the Kerry-Feingold debate.

And shortly after, Sen. Warner agreed with Kerry that a new IWR would have to be voted on because the old one had no mission for troops in Iraq that covered a civil war.

[Mass]

3. You can count on Biden to state things that are obvious.

Anybody who has ever filed a bill putting contrainsts on Bush for the pursuit of this war has revisited the IWR.

People have been doing that in the Senate for more than 2 years. I am happy that Biden just found that.

[karynnj]

4. But revisiting and stating that Bush went beyond the IWR

which should have been done from 2003 onward is not the same as saying that we need to create a new authorization.

I agree that my post was too Kerry centric, but given that Biden gave him NO positive support after those comments in January and said NOTHING about intending to do it himself, it was just annoying. Biden's behavior at those hearings was boorish - and I am likely reacting to that as much as to this specific instance.

As to Feingold's and Obama's bills - I think he should introduce his own bill, because if it is an update of Kerry/Feingold it will be more detailed and comprehensive than either and it will be between Feingold's and Obama's - and as such could become the choice of that whole side. I thought Kerry planned to introduce the bill this month.

I don't see the Feingold people going all the way over to Obama's, as it is, nor do I see the Obama people able to go to Feingold's. The question is whether Kerry could satisfy both enough to get support. I can see the gain to Obama - backing a plan favored by everyone to the left of him. The question is whether Feingold would agree.

[ProSense]

5. It's interesting how everything obvious under the sun is being discussed except

a plan to end the war.

Kerry said this in his radio address last Saturday:

Today, they have grown disillusioned. The war they fought to protect the world from Iraq’s imagined weapons of mass destruction ended a long time ago. Saddam Hussein is dead. Now, Iraq is immersed in a bloody civil war -- and too often the brave men and women who wear the uniform of our country are paying the highest price...

Start talking about ending the war and holding Bush accountable

[karynnj]

6. Also, how much clearer can you get than that Kerry statement

which would be called brilliant, eloquent and a concise indictment of Bush's position on Iraq ... if only someone other than Kerry said it.