Hillary on CSpan

[sandnsea]

Right after the war rally. Road to the White House. On Saturday. The Dems have media power, when certain Dems want to use it.

[citizensoldierlou]

1. Clintbot is unbearable

I'm watching and there is no way to not think about how much she lacks the gravitas we need in this country right now. So disappointing, as a woman, to have this historic opportunity poisoned by the Clinton mafia and its leaderess.

Sorry, I'm just more than a little angry at this woman for her Lieberman ways and the back-stabbing of Jk that must have made Rove proud.

Anyways, just here to report that she seems to be coming off as the phony she is right now. It's like she's trying to get her own talk show as opposed to trying to lead this country out of this miserable war.

Arggghhh. :banghead:

[citizensoldierlou]

2. OMG...not one mention of the war

Not one in her entire opening.

[sandnsea]

3. I shut her off for a while

Then decided I needed to watch just to get a sense of her campaign. I'm not impressed.

[citizensoldierlou]

4. This is weird

Okay, some guy just asked her about the 21,000 troops and she's answering with some rambling answer about the VA and how proud she is of it.

This is after using human props in her "spontaneous" chat with Iowa.

Are you getting this insincerity or am I just biased?

Does she really think she can run a domestic political campaign and ignore the war?

[sandnsea]

5. I'm biased

I get the same feel as you. When she started laughing at frozen panties, I had to shut it off again. They're cooking hamburgers somewhere in the country over on the Food Network. Yum.

[citizensoldierlou]

6. Thanks for the tip

I'm over and out. Cannot take one more minute.

Food Network sounds perfect.

[ElizabethDC]

7. She discussed the war in all of the many interviews she did last week

as well as in the web chats she did on her website. I'm watching her now and I think she's doing a good job (better than I expected, really), but I do find it odd that she hasn't really addressed the war yet. But people are still asking questions, so she may still get to it.

[sandnsea]

8. I really just can't stand her

She just annoys the shit out of me. I figure she's going to bring out the ruler and smack my knuckles any minute. Make the Catholic nuns proud even if she isn't Catholic.

On the policy side, I just don't think she's bold enough for what I'm looking for. I support children's insurance in Congress, but not from my Presidential candidate. I want something for everybody. I want someone to really take on violent child predators, not video games. I don't want someone to use diabetes as a campaign issue because it's on the front burner right now. That's all I'm hearing, mealy mouthed focus grouped mush.

But that's just me.

[ElizabethDC]

10. I like Hillary, but I didn't expect to support her.

Until a couple of months ago, I was hoping she wouldn't run, but now I'm a big supporter - I don't know what made me change my mind, but I think it's important to be open-minded. The campaigns are just starting and it's best not to rule anyone else out just yet. That goes for me as much as for anyone else - I try not to get too worked up in disliking someone (and I'll admit that there's at least one of our candidates who I really don't care for), because we've got a long road ahead of us and you never know what's going to happen.

[sandnsea]

12. They are what is WRONG with the Dem Party

I'll vote for her if she's the nominee, but she represents everything that has gone wrong with our party and consequently the country. I honestly don't understand how anybody who has been paying attention these last few years can't see it. I believe the world is for real live people, not corporations. She doesn't. It's that simple.

[ElizabethDC]

23. I really don't think she represents what's wrong with this party

I know what she stands for and I've done extensive research on her background and the kinds of things she's supported. I don't agree with her on everything, but there's no candidate with whom I agree on everything. But I don't think for one minute that Hillary doesn't care about "real live people."

[sandnsea]

26. I'd like to hear

what you think is wrong with our domestic economic policy, foreign policy and the Dem Party.

[ElizabethDC]

31. While I'd love to share my thoughts on all those issues

I really don't have time to right this second (I unfortunately *really* need to get off DU and go get some work done). However, I would like to say that I'm a lot more concerned with that's wrong with the Republican party than what's wrong with our party (and I think a lot of what's wrong with our party is that we focus too much on what might or might not be wrong with US and not what's wrong with THEM.

[sandnsea]

32. The agenda is being set

If she manages to move any real opposition out early, then we're not going to hear about real poverty or ending the war or global exploitation or anything that's at the root of the problems we face. That's why it isn't enough to only focus on Republicans right now. This early primary fight could well be the only one we get.

[beachmom]

13. I hate to give you a hard time (and maybe I'm out of line), but have

you forgotten so quickly what she did to JK during the botched joke? That was a naked moment where we got a glimpse of her character -- only for herself, not for the party. No better than McCain. (I'm not talking ideologically, I'm talking about character here)

[ElizabethDC]

21. I haven't forgotten about that

and, yes, I was and am very displeased about that. I think it was a huge mistake for her to say what she did, but I honestly don't think it's indicative of her overall character. I was shocked when she said it and thought that maybe she hadn't heard the whole story (about what the joke was intended to be - a lot of people weren't and still aren't fully informed about that), because she's not the kind of person who usually makes comments about that, especially about her fellow Democrats. So, while I was disappointed in her, it's not a deal-breaker. If she were to do more of that same kind of thing though, I would think about changing candidates.

[MH1]

27. She could have said "no comment" if she hadn't seen it

Or she could have spoken of Kerry's history of working for veterans and how, without even seeing it, she knows that what was reported was not in Kerry's character. But no, she found that just too hard to do. Too hard to stand up for what was right. Too hard to use the opportunity to remind people of the right-wing's smear tactics.

Did you see the video clip of her statement? To be honest, I wasn't calling it a deal-breaker either, until I saw that clip, which was several days after I'd heard that she said that. When I saw the clip my jaw hit the floor. She came across as haughty, scolding, and gleeful to have an opportunity to take out her rival. That's when I decided that instant really was a window to her character.

One impression I got on watching the video was that she didn't hesitate. She pounced on the question as if she'd been waiting for it. And, she must have expected to have been asked - so she has no excuse for not being ready to say "no comment" if she couldn't bring herself to defend Kerry. But defending Kerry would have been the right thing to do.

My congressional candidate was in a competitive race and HE defended Kerry. Hillary has no excuse, and that's why I can't support her. Will she cave so easily to Republicans when important policy decisions are on the line that affect our lives?

[karynnj]

33. In addition to that there is the timing.

I think her comment was not the day of the uproar, but later. From threads here, it was after Kerry responded and got at least some traction that it was a misstated joke. Kerry had already apologized and had left the campaign trail.

It was also after the earliest overnight polling that showed that the Democrats went up, not down. (I am too honest a mathematician to say that this was caused by Kerry's comment - but it did make it hard to argue there was a negative affect.) Though it did hurt Kerry, it didn't hurt the Democrats. Those polling results might have allowed Hillary to stab Kerry - knowing it would give the story a few more days - because she knew that the 3 words people got out of it were "stuck in Iraq."

It hurt me to see it, becauuse I knew Kerry had defended Clinton on draft dodging comments in 1992, backed him on letting gays into the military (even testifying on that), and it was Kerry who more than anyone else made possible the Clinton success of re-establishing relations with Vietnam, even though Clinton gave him no crdit for this in his 900+ page book put out the month before Kerry's convention.

[sandnsea]

29. Okay

First of all, who do you think the 'anonymous Dems' are who have been crucifying Kerry since the day after the election? Why would establishment Dems do that? Why won't any of them stand beside him when he comes out with the right plans for Iraq, time after time? What about Carville and his nasty comments about Dean. What about trying to move Dean out of the DNC to put Ford in, and Ford turns up as the head of the DLC? What about attempting to move the CA primary up to marginalize Iowa?

We can go way back to 2002 when she told Feingold to grow up when he was insisting the Party follow the spirit of campaign finance reform. It doesn't surprise me that she's opted out of public money, she doesn't believe in it anyway.

If it were JUST that one botched joke comment, I could let it go. It's a history of this kind of stuff. And that doesn't even get into her politics and need to be tough on defense and how it got us into Iraq in the first place.

[wisteria]

36. She knew what she was doing. She never does it but did it to him. Hmmm.

She saw an advantage and seized upon it.

[wisteria]

15. I respect your opinion, but for me she represents everything that is wrong with our party

and her stabbing Senator Kerry in the back was it for me. I am working in another direction to bring our party back to the people.

[blm]

22. I dislike govt. corruption and closed government - Clintons like it and protect it.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0511-29.htm

[beachmom]

9. She's a liar. She's been lying about netroots support.

Yes, that's small in the scope of things, but little lies ALWAYS lead to bigger ones. She has zero integrity. Don't be fooled by her "performance", because that's all it is. Where was she these last years when the truth needed to be said about this war? Nowhere except in the shadows plotting her quest for power. I watched her on KO, and yeah, she seemed impressive. Then I read this, and I realized it's all BS:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/25/122150/918

[sandnsea]

11. And black people don't like Obama

I'm not saying anybody need select a canidate based on race or gender. I do, however, think it quite interesting that we first had an article that Sharpton, Jesse and Belafonte weren't sure of Obama. Then a supposed poll. And then an article that black people actually prefer Hillary.

Yeah right.

I am SO SICK of this kind of political shit. I'm not even sure she didn't plant the damned house business. It isn't like someone couldn't have told that story a year ago.

[cadmium]

24. she will eventually be given a pat answer to repeat. Then

people who want to believe her will. It is too late for me. I watched a couple minutes of her net feed and it reminded my of a big brother type deal -- A leader forced on us by the media. Juxtaposed with Bushes state of the Union it looks like oppression from both sides.

[ginnyinWI]

16. it's funny how we're all so much more alarmed by her

now that JK's out of the running, and she has a clear shot. I'm trying not to be too afraid, though, because I really feel that the people won't accept this media-coronated candidate, and that her flame will burn out before the actual voting starts. Here's hoping it's true!

[wisteria]

18. Unfortunately, I think it has been predetermined that she is our

nominee for President. Almost two years out, trying to redo her image and eliminating all real competition. Maybe in the long haul, this will be good for our party. When she fails in the general, it will bring the Clinton's crashing down.

[ginnyinWI]

39. and if a repub wins in '08--

that would open up the possibility of another Kerry run. But that's a long way down the road, and best not to go there at this time.

[MH1]

20. JK was the anti-Hillary

when all was said and done, if primary voters had a choice between her or him, he would win hands-down.

That's why she had to take him down.

It's hard to look at the other candidates and believe that any one of them will be as strong against her as he would have been.

[wisteria]

37. I agree! That is why they are still there. n/t

[_dynamicdems]

34. I've always thought a woman president would be something to celebrate. It would be something to

look forward to. Hillary has ruined that. She's certainly not a role-model for women to admire. We should be able to be proud of the first woman who EARNS the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. It should be a day to celebrate. And here we are praying for anybody but Hillary.

Is it wrong to expect integrity and real values from a candidate? Is it wrong to expect a candidate who will take a real stand on the most important issues facing our nation? Maybe it is just wrong to expect that of Hillary Clinton because she's a woman. That's the impression I'm getting. Even Michael Moore was willing to give her a pass on voting for the IRW while at the same time condemning Kerry and Edwards for the same vote because it would be so "progressive" to have a woman nominee. Groovy. :puke:

[Inuca]

38. Is it wrong....

... to expect a woman candidate that wins because of who SHE is and not because of who she is married to?

[wisteria]

40. Good point. Hillary is where she is because of Bill-period. n/t

[wisteria]

14. Frankly my dear- it was awful. "You ain't seen nothing yet" LOL! n/t

[Kerry fan]

17. I CANNOT vote for Hillary

even if she IS the Democratic nominee. I don't know what to do. I certainly don't want to help Republicans win the election, but, IMO, it would be no worse than Hillary winning.

I will probably vote third party or write in Kerry.

Going from Kerry to Hillary would be like going from Filet Mignon to cat food. Just CAN'T do it.

[wisteria]

19. I am going to write in Kerry if she is the nominee. n/t

[_dynamicdems]

35. Ditto. My worst nightmare is that the race ends up being between...

Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Slimy and slimier. Don't ask me which is which because I honestly can't say. :(

[sandnsea]

25. We'll have a Dem Congress

What's she going to do, veto Dems?? I'll vote for her. No more Naders.

[MH1]

28. She can nominate poor choices for the SC and other positions

and it will be politically more difficult for a Dem congress to block the nominees of a Dem president than a republican president.

[sandnsea]

30. I don't think she's that bad

I think she'd nominate adequate justices who at least respect the civil rights aspect of the constitution. When I say I'll vote for her, I mean in the GE. Good gads never in the primary.