The money wars continue at dailykos

[MH1]

kos has a new post up, discussing Jerome's defense of Kerry.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/20/122342/22

It's probably good that he's giving Jerome's defense an airing, and he's not disputing much of it. But this whole pitiful saga is just getting so tiring.

:banghead:

[wisteria]

1. As long as jerome and Kos discuss things among themselves and

don't start dishing Kerry, I am resting for a bit. It is getting stupid at this point. What else can we add except calling for those behind this web site to stand up and face Senator Kerry.

[TayTay]

2. Yeah, but think about this for a second

Last year at this time, the smear would have stood, not been largely back away from in 24 hours.

That is not nothing my friend. Not nothing at all. There was a pushback on this unfair call and it worked. Even Kos has toned it way, way down.

Ahm, give yourselves a pat on the back. This is amazing progress.

[cadmium]

5. Better to get them to reveal themselves now

Always need to spar a few rounds before the big fights.

[MH1]

21. Yes, it's definitely good progress!

Thanks for the upbeat post. (I read it earlier but was too busy with the troll-whacker - and a teensy bit of actual work - to reply right away. But it helped.)

I think this group definitely deserves a pat on the back for getting the truth out there. And Senator Kerry deserves some credit too, for making the reality such a stark contrast to the lies the bashers are trying to peddle.

[whometense]

3. I have a giant headache from

trying to puzzle out the age-old question as to who's behind this crap - Rove or the Clintons. The fact that this is even an issue frankly pisses me off.

I wish Rove would go jump off a cliff. I really do. I also wish I had one iota of faith in the Clintons' desire to look out for anyone but themselves and their "legacy."

This is, in a nutshell, exactly why I loathe politics. I have no stomach, I'm afraid, for the slime.

I'm in this to get Kerry's back. Period. Anything I can do to help him get elected, I'll do. But the rest of those guys...

[TayTay]

4. I know, this has become a dirty business

in which the side that is still standing after the mudslinging is the victor by default. This is incredibly damaging to American politics and discourages people from getting involved, from the school committee races on up.

I know a lot of people who hate politics and just don't want any part of the process. They fundamentally dislike the dirty nature of it and wonder how people can continue in it when it becomes so personally painful. It takes a very special type of person to take the nasty battering that the nasty people dish out and still stay in politics. A very, very special type of person. It is a lot easier to pack it in and go to an easy life in the private sector.

I applaud you Whome for sticking it out. I know this type of thing disgusts you, but you are still here, still plugging away, still willing to let the greater good exceed the petty little fights that are of the moment. In all seriousness and humbleness, it really is people who say that they are not going to be driven away, people who say that the end goal is too important that really will save America.

Thanks for sticking it out. I'm right there with you kiddo, right there with you.

[WildEyedLiberal]

6. Same here

Once Kerry's out of politics - retiring in 2016 as one of the most beloved US Presidents of all time God willing - I am walking away from this den of thieves and never looking back. I can't believe I thought I could do this for a living. Fuck this. I believe in ONE man and one only - the rest of them, bah. Not worth the constant stomachaches and stress tension.

[TayTay]

7. Yes you can stay in, because it matters

It matters from the local level on up. It matters to children who don't have health care and it matters to older people who don't have enough money to pay for both food and medicine. It matters because we can't get stuck in wars that we can't get out of and where dying and suffering are the only certain things that everyone knows will happen.

You won't get out because at some point in the future, a crisis will arise, something bad will happen, someone or something will need a person of strength, commitment and character.

If WEL is not there to answer that call, then who will be? Who takes your place?

Yes, politics is nasty. But let me tell you, there is no sweeter thing on the face of God's green earth than being that person who got a school built, got a person some help so they could keep their home or saved a fire house from being shut down. Yes, the fight is nasty and sometimes feels hopeless, but it isn't.

If not you, my dear smart, opinionated, feisty, noble and warm friend, then who?

[WildEyedLiberal]

8. Awww Cheezus, Tay - you know how to work that Catholic guilt

:hug:

There will never be a time in my life that I won't be working for the greater good - you can count on that. It may not be through the Democratic party in the future - THAT highly depends on the outcome of the next 2-10 years.

There is deep injustice in the world, and I don't think I could really live with my conscience if I went about my life ignoring it or failing to do whatever I could to fight it. Honestly, if I didn't so rabidly support a certain Massachusetts senator, I'd probably be applying for the Peace Corps right now, or trying to get on at a non-profit working on economic fairness issues. Maybe I'll still do it someday.

But for right now, I am going to help elect the best President America will ever have. And I know it can happen because he has some of the best people in the world in his corner.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead

[Firespirit]

14. If it's worth anything to you, TayTay,

I will be in politics.

Either as a member of Congress or a lobbyist for a worthy cause. Erm, the good kind of lobbyist.

[blm]

9. Who sez this couldn't be BOTH? Carville helps Rove, Rove helps Carville

via Matalin, of course.


Probably went down like theis:

And tell ya what - how about you make sure Clinton is seen publically supporting our little W for the next 5 years and then we'll help you win the primary for 2008?

[whometense]

10. oh,gag.

I guess if he can sleep with Matalin he's certainly capable of this.

oops. did I go over the line? :spank: my bad.

[WildEyedLiberal]

11. Well you know what happens when you lie down with dogs...

...

:spank:

[ProSense]

12. It shouldn't be a puzzle!

This isn't blog chatter! There were news reports in all the major media about this: Shaming Donor Kerry! Not one Democrat has risen to Kerry's defense. A simple statement would do! Beyond that, forget the heads of the party. Things appear to be changing, which is why the voracity and frequency of the attacks seem to be coming from all corners. I know that if the efforts of people like John Kerry pay off, change is be imminent! Right now the political battle is being fought here, look at how many blogs took up this money issue, and Kos and Armstrong are on opposite sides!

Some of these people love to attack, then cry foul when met with a response -- because if a person throws a punch, then holds out his/her hand for a handshake while saying "sorry," many of the bystanders will forgive the sneak attack. If it happens again, fewer may be willing to forgive, and so on. The problem is the attacks hurt. When the attacker is a coward and the punches are distorted facts, bystanders can become distracted by the substance of the attacks -- damage!

It's the same as when the story of Rove's indictment proved false, suddenly there were all these media calls for Democrats to apologize to a sleazy deceptive jerk! Luckily, most people have a low opinion of Rove.

[Firespirit]

13. I NEVER thought I'd see the day when I welcomed anything Armstrong said

But hey, he came to John's defense on this, so I won't bash him -- for now.

Strange bedfellows.

[cmnh]

24. Speaking of " ...major media...: Shaming Donor Kerry!"

From this morning's Boston Globe, Page One no less:


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/10/21/kerry_is_pressured_to_share_campaign_wealth/

[ginnyinWI]

15. In contrast, Joshua Michah Marshall is so refreshing!

He's smart, fair, and doesn't go for the lowest common denominator. He's going to the top of my favorites list. Kos is off--unless someone here links to them for a specific reason. ;)

[Firespirit]

16. Kos is a shill

He showed today that he will promote anyone at the expense of John Kerry, even Hillary, possibly the single most DLC establishment Beltway Democrat in politics today.

Kos is incapable of treating Kerry fairly. He is no different than a right-wing commentator or a freeper.

[blm]

17. Kos was a Republican right? ALL real GOPs hate Kerry for uncovering

IranContra, BCCI and illegal wars in Central America.

Kos was coming of age at a time when his heroes were being unmasked because of Kerry. He likely hasn't shed himself of that conditioning, plus he LOVES the money from the establishment Dems.

[Firespirit]

18. Yes, a Reagan Republican in the 1980s

Has he ever criticized Reagan by name?

[nam78_two]

23. Yeah and now he wants to welcome libertarians

into the fold...
Thats never gonna happen..Most mainstream libertarians(heh oxymoron?) hate anything that smacks of "socialism" or environmentalism.

This is why I never bothered to set up a dairy on Kos...they are too centre-right for my taste and they always bash people like Kerry and Gore.
The amount of Kerry bashing there in 2004 was just unbelievable.

[Firespirit]

19. Kick -- new NASTY thread up

This one's a determined little prick, hitting the comment thread too.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/20/16493/857

[rox63]

20. Just added a comment

with actual facts in it, too. :sarcasm:

[cadmium]

22. They slowed down

got some good push back.

[whometense]

25. Finally put up a post of my own

http://toughenough.org/2006/10/someones-trying-to-push-kerry-around.html

Tell me what you think.

[cadmium]

26. good point about who would benefit.

[TayTay]

27. Very well put.

You nailed it and you are right. We gave that money to John Kerry. I did give some money this year to the DSCC. To me, they are separate and should be treated as such.

[ray of light]

28. Really great post. It's short but says it exactly right.