Kerry speaking Now!

[karynnj]

Thanks and compliments Warner. Attacks earlier Republicans whose comments were insulting and who are conflating 911 and Iraq. Spoke of not getting OBL. Kerry blowing the cahrges out of the water. Making point that leaving one year from now is not "precipitous".

Iraq was not the center of the War on Terror. Kerry says that the Iraqis will kick out Al Qaeda. Kerry attacked comment Croyn made by saying that they did give plans. Kerry listed the people -UN, leaders Jordan, Eqypt that we need the summit he proposed. Need a political solution.

[karynnj]

1. Great Great Kerry

I can't wait till Saturday

[karynnj]

2. WT2 has excellent summary on DU-P

(As this is not a poll and it's excellent - I think I'm allowed to post this)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2814087&mesg_id=2814087

[ProSense]

42. I missed it!

But thanks to this and the DU thread for excellent play-by-play! Thanks!

[whometense]

3. Caught some of it.

I'd just like to state for the record that Judd Gregg totally sucks.

What a disingenuous liar. NH ought to hold out for better than this.

[karynnj]

4. He's picking on your Senator

He actually said Kerry was picking out the errors and ignoring all the successes. What a creep - speaking of focus groups.

[whometense]

5. total creep

And of course he has to make it personal. Do they draw straws to see who gets to follow Kerry onto the floor and mock everything he says?

This guy is a real tool.

[whometense]

6. Did he actually just say that

the democrats' policy is "grounded in Birkenstocks"??????

WTF?

[karynnj]

8. Yes he did

He's now gone over the deep end. with a very strange "strawman" that the Democrats should amend the amendment with "and replace him with Howard Dean." So, now he's attacking Lamont's and Dean's military experience. Is Gregg another chicken hawk?

[whometense]

9. I believe so, but not sure [UPDATED]

OH MY GOD. Did you hear that??? Kerry is "viciously personal and partisan"??

Chickenhawk database http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chickenhawks/nh_notables/

Name: Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Born: February 14, 1947
Employer: The U.S. Taxpayeer
Conflict Avoided: Vietnam
Notes: Another member of New Hampshire’s hereditary political aristocracy (see also: Charlie Bass and John Sununu) Judd’s daddy was Governor of New Hampshire from 1953 to 1955. Young Judd graduated from Columbia in ‘69 and apparently went straight to BU Law until the coast was clear. For good measure, he got written up for bad knees. They weren’t so bad he couldn’t spend half his term as Governor on the ski slopes.

[karynnj]

10. He is a ctreep

Kerry didn't look vicious to meO8)

[whometense]

14. Nah - he's a lamb

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See above: Gregg's definitely a chickenhawk.

Thank god it's Teddy's turn. My head was threatening to spontaneously combust.

Honestly, it blows my mind that they can still kneejerk defend the administration in spite of all the evidence of malfeasance.

[karynnj]

44. So, Massachusetts has a Lion and a lamb

[beachmom]

11. Not watching, but isn't that breaking Senate rules?

Damn -- will Kerry need to come back and address this crap? Do I need to set up my DVR again?

[whometense]

15. Teddy's up.

I don't know - is it breaking a rule?

[beachmom]

17. Remember that time that Kyle (was it) said that Kerry was only

going against the Iraq War by putting his finger to the political wind. Kerry came back and slapped him down, saying he thought it was breaking Senate rules. You can't attack the personal character of another senator.

[whometense]

18. Oh, right.

Well he definitely attacked Kerry personally. And then accused Kerry of doing the same thing. I missed the beginning of Kerry's speech, but I didn't hear any personal attacks in the part I did hear.

[ginnyinWI]

22. no, JK didn't attack anyone personally

He did say he regretted the level of discourse coming from some of the ones who preceded Warner. He had nothing but praise for Warner, and I agree--he's an honest broker, not a political partisan.

[whometense]

23. I guess he paid back the debt of honor he owed Warner

after the gentlemanlike kindness Warner showed JK during the recent Iraq withdrawal debate. :-)

[karynnj]

24. I heard from the beginning

Kerry started by saying nice things about Warner. Then alluded to having listened a long time - and then challanged (he said "without naming Senators") Republican comments - starting with people who conflated 911 and Iraq. He also challanged lies about his and Levin's plan. Alll the comments were on what the plan actually said - WT2 did a much better job in getting it down than I did.

I seriously have never heard Kerry make a personal attck (I assume he does in private) rather he challanged facts or words posing as facts.

[karynnj]

20. Allard - I voted him down on the poll for weeks after because of it

(but there were too many other bad Republicans to vote down.)

[beachmom]

21. Thanks, I couldn't remember the idiot's name! n/t

[ginnyinWI]

28. I think I know another Sen. who needs to be voted down! n/t

[whometense]

30. I've got a little list today:

Allen (always), Gregg, and KYL.

[rockymountaindem]

39. Allard? More like Dullard.

He wound up on the "5 worst Senators" list from The Hill because he does absolutely nothing. Nothing. Nothing at all. I wonder what he does all day, well, besides trying to tar Democrats.

But fear not! We've got a good contender up against him for '08: Congressman Udall. That will be one to watch.

[Democrafty]

25. Rule 19?

"2. No Senator in debate shall, directly or indirectly, by any form of words impute to another Senator or to other Senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a Senator."

More here: http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/rule19.php

[whometense]

26. that would seem to have been violated today.

by Gregg, at least.

[ProSense]

41. Isn't that the same rule

Dick broke?

[Democrafty]

45. Dick Durbin? n/t

[karynnj]

19. It seemed a more personal attack than Allard's

which was against the rules - Kerry didn't attack any Senator.

[karynnj]

13. So, he likely knows no more than Howard Dean

except Dean never asked to be SOD. He's DNC head - which has little to do with leading the war.

Kennedy up now. He's trying to explain the OBL is not Saddam Hussein to lots of Republicans who still seem confused.

He has a long list of Rumsfeld was wrong.

[ginnyinWI]

7. agreed on Gregg

And from a New England state, too. They've got to get bluer! He has such a snarky tone. "...Maybe we should replace him with Howard Dean!" Trying to paint all Dems as clueless. He's asking to be thrown out, if you ask me.

Kerry was in "pissed-off" mode and as far as the content of his speech, I think everyone else in line might as well go home. I particularly liked his understanding of exactly why Rumsfeld is wrong--how he bought into a new vision of the military and took it to extremes. It's also very true that the Iraqis would drive out any remnant of outside terrorism after we got out. Terrorism simply cannot thrive in a country that's got its act together.

[_dynamicdems]

29. I think of Gregg as NH's version of the Crypt Keeper.

NH should be ashamed for having elected this lying, slimy creep. He not only looks like the undead. He votes like the undead. I better stop before I end up using really, bad language. (Not that it has stopped me before, but I'm trying to clean up my act.)

Oh patooey, he's such a dunderhead! (Nah, it just doesn't have the same impact as what I wanted to say.)

[whometense]

33. Oh My God - I LOVE John Kerry!!!!! (and David Wade)

Just got this press release this second:

Kerry Spokesman Responds to Sen. Greggs' Bizarre Red Sox Lecture



Kerry spokesman and diehard Red Sox fan David Wade responded to Sen. Judd Gregg's twisted Red Sox logic on the floor of the Senate today:



“New Hampshire's own Carlton Fisk must've felt his blood pressure soar hearing Sen. Gregg mangle Red Sox lore on the floor of the Senate.



Bottom line: when it comes to doing the job as Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld is Bill Buckner, Mike Torrez, and Harry Frazee rolled into one.



There are two differences.



In Red Sox Nation, Grady Little lost his job when he kept Pedro Martinez in the game too long against the Yankees in the ALCS. Don Rumsfeld is still on the job.



In Red Sox Nation, when the team breaks our heart, we just have to wait till next year. If only Don Rumsfeld's mistakes were so easily fixed and forgotten. There's no “waiting for next year” in Iraq. The moment of accountability is now.”



# # #

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[karynnj]

34. That is beautiful

Much nicer than what Gregg deserves.

[ginnyinWI]

12. The senior Senator from MA is up now. n/t

[karynnj]

16. Doing a great job explaining that military leadership is fired

if they fail - giving great examples. SOD huge failure, no penalty. "mindlessly ordered troops into battle unprepared"

[karynnj]

27. Kyl up - and he has a letter from .... John Bolton

written to Reid. Bolton claims we have changed the course - except of course - he doesn't spell out what the change is. Kyl apparently thinks that we are changing things and firing Rumsfeld would hurt our reputation in the world.

OK - didn't he just kill his own argument. The Civil War was lost by the south because Lee made a fundamental blunder at Gettysburg.

[ginnyinWI]

31. ...and rolling out a litany of scare tactics...

...why, Donald Rumsfeld is a saint, a Saint, I tell you! We should fall at his feet in gratitude for all of his hard work! :sarcasm:

[whometense]

32. I loved that -

where's the gratitude for what we accomplished in Afghanistan.

What did we accomplish in Afghanistan?? Someone remind me...

[karynnj]

35. Well we did lots of things

- We got rid of the Taliban ...... which is resurgent now
- We got OBL and his top people surrounded ...... but we outsourced ..... and OBL escaped and the latest news is that he is protected by Pakistan
- We increased production to the highest level of a valuable comodity .......but it's heroin production

See it's only those little details people like Kerry insist on pointing out.

Oh, I forgot they VOTED - too bad the same courtesies weren't extended to everyone in Ohio USA

[karynnj]

36. Harkin now

He says "he's the first to call for Rumsfeld's resignation - dating it May, 2004. (He's as wrong as Biden ) - the first Senator seems to be Kerry in Oct, 2003. (Congressman Obey called for it in September 2003.)

Very nice calm speech - even speaking of Rumsfeld giving weapons to Hussain after we knew he gassed the Kurds. The Democrats didn't shake hands with Saddam, "Rumsfeld did - the only person morally confused in Donald Rumsfeld" this is a GREAT speech.

[fedupinBushcountry]

37. To be exact

Kerry called for it on 9/26/03 during I think it was the first Dem debate.

[karynnj]

38. Though Kerry, Dean, Harken, Biden, Edwards

all beat Hillary's July 2006.

[ProSense]

50. Rummy's days

are numbered!

[karynnj]

40. Sessions is up now

Being the moron he usually is - defending the war and speaking of the vote for war. Sessions says the Iraq war was brilliant.

[karynnj]

43. UGGGHHH Colliquy between McCain and Sessions

1) McCain says the discussions wouldn't be happening if not an even year
2) Sessions says it is hurting the soldiers
3 McCain - elections have consequences and you can't challange his choices (Slimy little worm - claiming Bush won so he was right.)

Why does Sessions seem to get more time than most.

[Democrafty]

46. Boxer just said Senators are elected, too!

And not to be a rubber stamp Congress.

:woohoo:

[globalvillage]

47. He was AWESOME!!!!

I was so lucky to catch Sen Kerry today. I was on the phone (with our Boston office, of all places), and when I finished, I turned to look at the TV, and there he was!!!
He was perfectly pissed off, and I actually had time to listen. When he said something like "You can't have it both ways, at some point here, the game has to stop." my first thought was "Damn, I missed him."
Anyway, Gregg is a dirtbag.

OT, I was on a conference call with Santorum today! Do you believe it? I have my home phone transferred to my cell, and when they called, I was at my republican friend's house. She said "Boy, did they call the wrong person."
LOL. Too bad I didn't get to ask a question.

[TayTay]

49. I'm telling ya, I got a feeling about this speech Sat

It's gonna be a scorcher. I can feel it. A real barn-burner.

[TayTay]

48. OMG, that speech was so good I need a cigarette afterwards

And I love David Wade. (Note to self: See if he comes to the speech Sat. Must buy him a beer some day.)

Sen. Kerry was absolutely great today! He was obviously angry. (What the hell went on in that caucus room for the Dems today? Whew!) I loved this speech. It was forceful, didn't pull any punches and called out the ones who screwed up the war from the very beginning. I loved the part where Kerry called out Bush for rewarding failure on a massive scale with Medals of Freedom.

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

Note to Sen. Allen, that is what a Senator sounds like. Not someone who sounds the words out on the floor as he reads a speech. A Senator is an articulate, intelligent person with something to say that is actually worth listening to and who canspeak about issues in a compelling way.

BTW, I loved Uncle Ted today too! I am very proud of all the Dem Senators who spoke today, esp. Sen. Levin who called for the beginnings of a phased withdrawal. Nice job. (And I am proud to have two such good Sens. I hereby offer to share them tonight with all of you.)

And Judd Gregg was obviously dropped on the head one too many times as a baby. He is a sour-faced, bitter little man who can't talk in coherent sentences and likes to try to bully his betters. Bite me you friggin bastid. (New Hampshire, honestly, how can you tolerate this moronic excuse for a legislator. Your Sens suck. You must have Mass envy now. hahahahahaha!)

[karynnj]

51. The "So-called liberal" NYT coverage of the Rumsfeld resolution

Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/07/washington/07cong.html?ref=washington

Look at the Senators' comments quoted:

Democrats:
Schumer: "Secretary Rumsfeld’s speech in Utah was a low point. We got a lot of name-calling, more slogans, but for all the hype, we didn’t get any new policies" (Ok- he is their Senator)

Durbin: "Even if we will not have change in this chamber, the American people will have the last word on Nov. 7,’’ (this is all they included!)

Republicans:
Stevens: “He has been, I think, a very impressive secretary of defense. I can think of no one who has worked harder as secretary of defense than Donald Rumsfeld.’’

Warner: “The debate can go on, but we must recognize it comes down to the constitutional right of the president to select his cabinet,’’ (Wasn't their an "advise part too)

Gregg!!!!: "I presume they want to put in Howard Dean and Ned Lamont,’’

DeMint: "“On every issue, the Democrats are united not in helping this country be more secure in the future but in obstructing the Republican effort to secure this country and our homeland,’’

Note both the number and (for the most part) the strength of the quote favors the Republicans. There is no mention that Rumsfeld is widely viewed as having made huge errors.

[karynnj]

52. The author's wording also was biased against the Democrats.

In addition to the quotes, look at his "unbiased" reporting:

"Democrats believe public impatience with the war can help them cut into Republican strength on other issues like military tribunals and antiterror surveillance programs. Republicans on Wednesday sought to blame Democrats as hindering efforts to enact such measures" - So, it's all political.

"During more than five hours of back and forth, Mr. Schumer and other Democrats faulted Mr. Rumsfeld and said his failures were illustrated by abuse of detainees and the fact that some Americans had to provide body armor for relatives serving in Iraq. They said the public had lost confidence in the administration’s approach in Iraq. " - This list is anemic and reads in a way that diminishes the complaints."

The author was Carl Hulse - a name I don't remember.

[wisteria]

53. The reports I read last night were biased also. Especially from the AP.

I got a more accurate and fair reading of the events from the AFP last night.Senator Kerry had a nice quote in that one. Now today, is another story. The piece has been shortened and it reads fairly negative against the Dem's. I am afraid we will be pushed aside until after 9-11. I don't see us getting much good press.

I am glad though that Senator Kerry's speech will be covered Sunday on C-Span. Maybe something about it will appear in the press, but I won't count on it happening. Repubs have the momentum with the shameless media for the moment because of 9/11.

[ginnyinWI]

54. I have a simple analogy for all of these repubs:

A student takes a final exam. She works really really hard at it, spending the entire period filling out each answer and making sure her name is printed neatly at the top. The teacher marks the exam, and finds that out of 100 questions, the student's gotten 10 correct, 90 wrong. But the teacher says, "well, she's worked so hard and tried to get everything right, so okay--I'll give her an 'A' for the course!" When the other students protest this as unfair, the teacher says, "why are you trying to obstruct her efforts? She's doing her best!" :crazy:

[karynnj]

55. Worse, the teacher then punishes those that speak up

because she says they hurt class spirit and subtracts 25 points off their grade for bad attitude.