Just one person's take here, but I'd like to say that the anti-Kerry

[saltpoint]

posters on DU do not appear to have the spirit of Democratic unity at heart.

Over and over and over and over again.

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[TayTay]

1. Possibly, but OTOH, that which doesn't kill you ...

There are always nutball threads and nutball people around. They pedal the same old crap. They forget they are part of a team and like animals infected with rabies, eventually attack whatever moves, without thought, without motive and without cause. They are as lost, in their own way, as any Republican. In some ways they are worse than that, as they have lost the ability to tell friend from foe, everyone and everything is just more grist for the conspiracy mill. That's a sad and pitiful way to live. It's not my way.

Look how many people actually consider that idiot George Galloway to be some kind of hero. He is the basest of politicians and a self-serving bastard to boot. (I was in his district in Scotland last year. He is a joke and proved it this year when he deserted his job in order to go on TV in the British version of Big Brother.) There is no cause at all to support that fatuous bag of gas and yet, there are people who do. Doesn't mean you have to accord them any respect or any more of your time than you absolutely have to.

Never confuse the real world with DU. There are poisonous people on DU who exist only to ensure their own perpetual state of victimhood. They are only happy when they can complain. They don't want to solve real problems and they don't really want to participate in meaninful dialogues. They merely wish to be 'right' and to inject their fantasy projections about how everyone is evil onto a broader canvass. Unfortunately, that too is part of the human condition. Don't let them get to you. They are depressing, but small in number.

[saltpoint]

2. Hello, good person. Thank you for that -- a cool-browed perspective

as usual.

I re-read the DU rules on denigration of Democrats and come away shaking my head. It appears to say that slams on Democrats should be avoided.

In any case, I just put on some Chopin Nocturnes and things are already better.

Warm wishes to you.

[TayTay]

3. And to you good sir.

The more visible you are in the world, the more detractors spring out to 'get you.' Kerry is a big fish in the pond and brings out a lot of passionate response in people, one way or the other.

Ever notice how the people who say, in effect, 'I'm so over him,' aren't over him at all. If they were truly 'over him' they would ignore him. (First rule that you are still in the 'ice-cream and sympathy' phase of a breakup is when you loudly proclaim to everyone that you are so over your ex, only you can't stop talking about them, you are obsessed with every detail about them and talk about them constantly with your friends. Ahm, everyone knows that you are not 'so over them' but are, in fact, in denial. The link is not fully severed at all and if a few things changed, it could even be repaired. That's human nature as well.)

[saltpoint]

6. I hear you. They aren't over Kerry at all, many of them. And they forget

that 1 man (or woman) does not win or lose an election. Thousands/millions of people are involved.

I believe that some Democrats are dismissive of Kerry because they need a lightning rod for their personal disappointment in the election's outcome. "Since my vote wasn't the one that prevailed, it must be Kerry's fault."

[ProSense]

4. Agree, but I gotta say:

Some of these "victims" are trolls --- big-fat-lie spewing scavengers ready to suck the life out of Democratic success, especially when it comes wrapped in the persona of an intelligent liberal with the initials JFK.

[saltpoint]

7. Hi, ProSense. I suspect that, yes. But I don't know how to "tell" one of

the trolls from the anti-Kerry Democrat.

I'd like to see the pro-Democratic spirit prevail on DU at a much higher frequency, that's for sure.

'Loved your vigorous performance on that thread this evening, by the way.

[ProSense]

9. Hi OC!

You're always on top of it as usual.

As far as identifying trolls, it's mostly a gut feeling, but I'm pretty sure about the S&B nonsense promoters and those whose comments include "at least Bush..." That is a dead giveaway!

[saltpoint]

10. Sometimes I hold back, because I want to respect other Dems' first-

choices.

But when that courtesy is not returned, I start kicking the furniture. Coarse remarks ensue. I just feel that Kerry-Edwards was a tremendous ticket -- the best of my lifetime.

I still like McGovern-EAGLETON, for god's sake.

Bury me in a blue coffin.

[politicasista]

5. What will the reaction be

if other favorite Dem candidates/nominees did the same thing? How will they react then? :shrug:

[saltpoint]

8. Kerry-Edwards won in Ohio. I don't have proof in my pocket that

Bush-Cheney cheated, but they did. In my bones and blood I know Kerry-Edwards won.

Good question on their reactions to other candidates. Many of the other Democrats get off pretty easy, but Kerry and Edwards are targets of baseless, nasty criticism.

And unjustly so. They're good men and deserve our respect. And one of them, I believe, is going to be our next president. Gore seems uninterested and HClinton is divisive.

[karynnj]

11. Hi OC, I love the humor you injected to stop the most

obvious troll. I suspect that the subject matter is still kind of an open wound. If they were logical, they would look and see that Kerry is pushing this issue more seriously than anyone else. Hillary has her name as the sponsor of the Count Every Vote Act, but I have heard NOTHING from her on it. Edwards, credited as wanting to fight back because his wife heard that on Nov 3rd, has said little or nothing since then. Gore, who had a MUCH better, easier to make case who would have had the moral grounds to fight this issue after 2000 - did not choose to take it on.

As to Biden...no, Warner ... no, Richardson, trying to make it an issue - but he ignored blatant fraud in NM. Clark is NOW speaking on it - but he wasn't there earlier.

[saltpoint]

12. Kerry earned the nomination and in the traditional model of

citizenship, party activism, and adulthood, earned also the respect of the party membership.

Some folks on DU don't see it that way, evidently, and they feel at complete liberty to take potshots at him, and the admins let it go.

So tonight the anti-Kerry crowd got challenged.

I don't have an objective opinion on John Kerry. I love the guy, always did, always will. Of late I notice slam threads on Edwards, which is a veiled slam on Kerry, because it questions Kerry's judgment in veep choices. Some of the same slammer are involved.

karynnj, you rock and you rock totally. Thanks for your heroic smackdowns of the trolls.

[karynnj]

14. Many of the Edwards' trolls are Kerry trolls too

Some I seriously can't see anyone they like. (I'm not willing to consider McKinney as a serious contender.) Some of the Edwards' supporters get pretty nasty about Kerry, though it seems that the Edwards and Clark people seem to be at each other's throats lately than at ours.

[saltpoint]

15. Yes. I guess the Edwards-Clark battle is from the primaries, but

my investment in Kerry-Edwards wasn't just over Bush-Cheney, but to like the entire ticket and what it would have accomplished.

I've bumped into Clark supporters on DU who believe he's the only person on earth with any right to the nomination. I could do without that.

[fedupinBushcountry]

13. They put their heads in the sand

and made it Kerry's fault. They all knew what we were up against in '04, did they just think well if it happens again like '00 we aren't going to win no matter if we took it to court or not. IMO Kerry did everything he could before the election, he had the lawyers on the ground all over the country, but guess what Republicans laugh at law and they make sure we can't get around the laws that their hacks (SOS)put into place in their states.

If Kerry would of found FRAUD he would of fought it like hell. I am so tired of these damn whiners, were they out on the streets yelling fraud. hell no. Its about time we a s citizens take some of the blame. We could of and should of been more outspoken and demanded a fair election process for '04 after what happened in '00. Americans are lazy and we are paying for that laziness now.

As for Richardson, I know many in N.M. who will not vote for him because of his refusal to do a recount and using money as a hold on doing it.