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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:02 AM
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What tiller/cultivator can a small woman handle?
I was thinking maybe a Mantis, but reading some reviews of them, it seems there's a big problem with weeds tangling in the working parts, and being impossible to untangle without taking the machine apart. Don't want to have to do much of that.

The big rear tine machines are just too much to handle. We used to have one and it nearly beat my husband to death to use it.

Ease of starting would be a consideration.
So is weight.

How well do the electrical ones work?

It would truly be helpful to have any suggestions, or stories of your experience with them.

Wat


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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:15 AM
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1. We've had a Mantis for 20 years, and never had any problem like that.
All we do is mow or cut the weeds down low before tilling. Obviously the Mantis isn't the kind of tiller you could use while the weeds are still 2 feet high! The only thing we had to do to our Mantis over the years was a tune up every few years so it remains easy to start.

I only weigh 115 lbs. and I know what you mean about the big rear tine tillers! They're great at tilling through anything, but I can't control one at all!!!!!
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:16 AM
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2. I had an electric one from Home Depot
That was easy for me to handle (I'm 5'2", weigh 100 lbs). Turned on with a switch. It was powerful enough for my urban garden. Weeds can be a problem, but mowing a couple of times before you take in the tiller helps alot. Taking it slow and easy helps. That will break up the weeds more and you can get to the deeper roots. I sold it because I now have raised beds and didn't need it any more.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:39 PM
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8. Was it a rear tine tiller?
Or front tines?

I've had people tell me I don't want one kind, then others tell me I don't want the other. It is really hard to judge.

Thanks in advance for any more input.

Wat
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:47 AM
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3. years ago I had a Troy Built tiller
And any one could handel it with one hand...there were times when using it I would let it go to pick up a weed and it would just chug along.
But it was heavily built and that is why it was stable.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:48 AM
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4. Pre dig
any hard soil or lawn before "Mantis-izing".
Good little machine but not a sod buster.
Happy gardening.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:17 PM
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5. There was a thread in the Gardening Forum about tillers:
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:11 PM
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9. Yes, very helpful. Thanks! n/t
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 09:26 PM
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15. updated -
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from your posted thread



200 bucks

8 pounds

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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:34 PM
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6. I'm in the process now of digging
Digging out all the damn bermuda grass that took over my big (20 x 60') vege garden the end of last summer. Man, I hate that shit! The rhizomes are these alien creatures that just spread out and go on forever, and if you don't get them out, you'll just be dealing with them again. I don't see how tilling would help that much.

The chickens are benefiting, but it's killing me! Have to get going though, my Burpee's and Gurney's orders are on the way, and hoping to get all planted the first of April.

Has anyone found a cheap source for pre-emergents?
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 09:12 AM
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11. I don't think pre-emergents help with the type grass you're talking about.
Some years back when I was intensively gardening (pun intended) I read that it was helpful to cover the bermuda type grass with clear plastic, and leave it for a whole summer. The article said the sun would bake out the rhysomes and kill them. I doubted it, but never really tried it. Heavy mulch helped keep it check, but I would often see those dreaded little green shoots popping up among my vegies. I'd just pile on more hay, or grass clippings or whatever.

I have tried digging them and pulling them out by hand in a little isolated flower garden, but they always came back from the surrounding area. Maybe if you sank some sort of barrier, like metal edging, deep enough around the area you cleared that they couldn't get under it. The stuff is monstrous, and people who don't have to deal with it are very fortunate gardeners indeed.

I have a neighbor up the road who actually took a backhoe and scraped all his sandy topsoil off one small field - when I stopped to watch and ask what on earth he was doing he said he was trying to get rid of the stuff. Of course, a year later his field was covered in it again.

Wat

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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:29 PM
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13. Change your Philosophy
The weeds will eventually win, so the best you can do is manage them when it counts.

The death to all weeds mentality is hard on you and the land. If you really want an are clear, you have to hand pull them or establish something that will out compete them for light and other resources.

I cannot stress this enough, do not use Herbicides. They are not necessary, as the web of life depends on weeds as well as beneficials.

Additionally, weeds provide for for beneficial and well as pest insects. They offer the pests a chance to feast on something other than your food plants. It also provides habitat for beneficial insects that may like to feast on the pests.

The main reason modern agriculture is so dependant on Pesticides and Herbicides is due you monocropping and the scorched earth method of preparing the fields for planting. Monocrop actually increase the chance tfor the explosive destruction of the entire crop, because all the food plants are close enough together for the insects to walk, fly or drift from plant to plant. Put plants of different species in between the plants, and you immediately cause the insect to expend extra energy to find the next victim plant. Diversity is the key to maintaing balance in farming. Unfortunately, it makes things a little more difficult to harvet, but I think it's worth it to have healthy, untainted food.


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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 04:36 PM
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7. You guys are all terrific.
Lots here to think about and investigate.

Thanks to everybody, and keep the suggestions
coming, I'll keep coming back to check.

Wat

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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 05:59 AM
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10. I would suggest a rear tine tiller
I am 5'3" (62 years old) and we have had both types as well as a mantis. I think your decision depends on your type of soil.

We live with hard clay so what works for me may not be needed for you. The Mantis is fine for tilling after the soil has already been broken up with a big tiller (this is in my area with my hard soil).

I cannot control a big front tine tiller. don't have the control over it and with our soil my husband had to go over the ground at least 3-4 times. With a big rear tine I can till and is fantastic. Even hitting rocks there is no loss of control.

This works for us for a small garden but for a very large area nothing works like a Deere (John of course)
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:10 PM
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12. Get some good boots, and use a spade or a pitchfork.
Believe me, the most useful tools require little maintenance, use no fuel or oil, and can be carried in one hand with 3 or four other tools.
Tillers are noisy, heavy and are hard on the body. If they are too small, you end up doing more work than it would take with a shovel. You also need almost perfect soil without rocks, sticks, vines or other debris that can jam up the works. On a real farm, soil condition vary wildly. I really don't see the need for any sort of cultivator, as it is a contraption that was developed in order to create fast food. I'm a believer in ancient systems that have been in place for 1000's of years, that have been proven to supply food with minimum inputs of labor, and or fertilizers and maintenance. You would be amazed at the systems the Islanders in the Pacific had until European Came in and turn them into Coffe, Cocoa and Sugar plantations for cash cropping. The systems were poorly documented, and many systems were detroyed before being fully understood.

Secondly, the idea of rototilling weeds directly into the soil does not give one the control of the composting process. I tend to pull up weeds when the soil moisture is right, this is called Cultivate to Moisture, which means that you avoid soil when it is too wet, and only work in it when it dries to a good consistency without clumping or compaction. Compaction will destroy the soil profile, and it is very difficult to get the air content in the soil back.

I pile up the weeds and let them compost for a bit. Usually the birds will arrive and tear the pile apart, looking for insects. After it decomposes and starts releasing Nitrogen, I spread it over the surface of the soil as a mulch and as a sort of a weed cloth, only it is manufactured for me by the weeds themselves. It will last many weeks before weeds will restablish themselves.

I also practice No till agriculture for the most part. This is the most effective and productive means for dealing with growing plants. If I must till, it is usually only when I am establishing a tree or some other perrenial in very bad soil or bedrock. I also till when I need to level ground or establih grade, which only occurs intermittently.

For many acres of land, my most important tools is a mower or a weedeater. I mow to 6 to 8 inches in height, which protects a majority of insects and other creatures, like grass snakes, lizards, turtles. Leave the clippings on the ground as cut. If I am reclaiming an area with very heavy cover, I will Weedeat from the top down to the ground, mulching everything into a fine duff. I only do this once or twice, in order to establish a consistent timeline for weed growth, and to alow me to see the drainage patterns, hidden obstacles, or the clear land.

Contrary to what Scott's Lawn and Chemical Corporation likes to say, grass will not die if you leave the clippings on the lawn or field. It actually makes it stronger due to the organic material.

Never burn debris. Compost it. Establish a compost pile and leave it alone. Give it water when dry, and turn it over to give it Oxygen when too wet. A smelly compost pile is an unhealthy, anaerobic compost pile. Compost smells good, produces energy as heat during decomposition, and in turns, kills pathogenic bacteria via oxidation and heat. Use buring only to destroy noxious weeds or to provide heat.

I have farmed in U.S Climate zone 9, and the Tropical Rainforest. Zone 9, with it's dry summers and wet winters is very different than Tropical, where we have 125 inches of rain annually, and can have up to 5 inches of rainfall in one hour. Zone 9 is all about water management, maintaining a composting process, and having correct soil moisture.

In the tropics, the average lifespan of organic material from the time it falls to the ground to disappearing into nitrogen, CO2 on base minerals is about 300 days. What people don't realize is that the rain forest is a closed system, and it replaces what disappears through decay on an equal basis.

So far, I love the tropics the most, because I don't have to deal with irrigation. My most useful tool is a machete, and I can hear the birds, listen to the tree's and breathe the cleanest air on earth. With all the rot, mold and fungus present in the forest, I have never had an allergic reaction, which is really weird. In dusty Zone 9 brething clean air meant wearing a 3M mask everytime I mowed. I still were the 3M Mask when I mow in the Tropics, because the plants are so soft and juicy that they basically vaporize when hit with a weedeater or mower.

I alsoe do not touch existing land until I am ready to replace what I have removed, otherwise you can open yourself up to worse invasives than the so called weeds that were there in the first place.

Hope this helps, as these simple rules allow me to manage over 50 acres of land by myself. I have never used pesticides, Herbicides or chemical fertilizers for the past 20 years.

Oh yeah, beware of the new shovels for sale in Home Depot. These are made in China, and really should be called "Things that look like shovels" There either have the wrong wangle on the head, or they are too heavy due to incorrect design. A good shovel these days is actually very hard to find, as they are all made in China. All of my good shovels are over 10 years old and have been re handles 2 to 3 times.

Aloha!


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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:44 PM
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14. My old troybilt was great.
I never needed any help, and it was a full size tiller.

I gave it away when I moved, since I now live in a volcanic area with thin layers of soil and sand, but mostly rock that is beyond the capabilities of any tiller I've ever seen.
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