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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 11:34 PM
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Affiliation with pagans being used as political smear?
In Ashville, North Carolina, a wiccan priestess held a prayer circle to save a magnolia tree from development The Wild Hunt Blog reports. A democratic candidate for city council, as well as many other environmentalists participated in this event, covered in the local news. Now, the news footage has been re-edited in order to attempt to smear the dem, by using, of all things, association with wiccans as being a bad thing. In a country which states freedom of religion in it's own constitution, how is this possible? Remember all the hype brought about by the right wing neo-cons when a Muslim was elected to Congress? And never forget the protests brought about when, 'gasp', a Hindu opened Congress with that religions prayer. It's becoming clear to me that the right wing neo-con interpretation of 'freedom of religion' is freedom of a Christian religion. Even a choice of Christian religion would be limited.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:51 PM
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1. Most
neo-con RW Christian activists don't believe our nation has a freedom of religion mandate. They believe it was founded upon Christian principals and commandments. They think we all belong to their god.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:18 PM
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3. RW'ers need to be reminded of the meaning of 'freedom of religion'
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 11:35 PM by icymist
in our Constitution and how it was argued. In an essay called Is America A 'Christian Nation'? on the 'Americans United for Separation of Church and State' web site I find:
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Maryland representative Luther Martin said that a handful of delegates to the Constitutional Convention argued for formal recognition of Christianity in the Constitution, insisting that such language was necessary in order to "hold out some distinction between the professors of Christianity and downright infidelity or paganism." But that view was not adopted, and the Constitution gave government no authority over religion. Article VI, which allows persons of all religious viewpoints to hold public office, was adopted by a unanimous vote. Through ratification of the First Amendment, observed Jefferson, the American people built a "wall of separation between church and state."

Some pastors who favored church-state union were outraged and delivered sermons asserting that the United States would not be a successful nation because its Constitution did not give special treatment to Christianity. But many others welcomed the new dawn of freedom and praised the Constitution and the First Amendment as true protectors of liberty.

Early national leaders understood that separation of church and state would be good for all faiths including Christianity. Jefferson rejoiced that Virginia had passed his religious freedom law, noting that it would ensure religious freedom for "the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, the infidel of every denomination."


Many of our founding fathers and greatest presidents such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Abraham Lincoln, and James Madison were Deists. The often quoted economist and RW favorite Adam Smith is also on that list. RW neo-con Christian activists even go as far as to remove and add words to a dispatch Washington wrote in a letter as 'evidence' of his Christian piety:
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Phony George Washington Prayer
"George Washington's Prayer For The United States"

From a simple dispatch of official business was constructed a fabulous prayer that is used to this day as "evidence" of George Washington's Christian piety.

The interpolated words that are not from the Washington letter are in underlined bold red type.


The Alleged Prayer:
Almighty God, we make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep these United States in Thy holy protection, that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of Whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
-- Engraved on a bronze tablet in St Paul's Chapel, Broadway and Vesey Streets, New York City, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, pp. 19-20

The final line is the language with which all prayers in the Episcopal Prayer Book end.

The words of the Washington letter that were removed from the Washington letter and interpolated by the prayer-maker are in underlined bold black type.

Actual Statement:
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the state over which you preside, in his holy protection; that he would incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow-citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the field; and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of whose examples in these things, we can never hope to be a happy nation.
I have the honor to be, with much esteem and respect, sir, your Excellency's most obedient and most humble servant. -- G Washington.
-- George Washington, letter sent to the governors in 1783, urging them to quell anarchy and riots by alleviating distress and discontent, quoted from Ford's Writings of Washington, vol. x, p. 265, also quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, pp. 19-20

The original letter is not in Washington's handwriting, but was penned by one of his secretaries, most of whom were allowed to make their own embellishments.


Regardless of what these Christian activists believe, the USA is not a Christian nation nor was intended to be. The swift-boating of Democratic candidates by affiliation with other religions that right wingers are trying to portray as daemonic is an abomination (one of their words) of this country and all who have fought and died for her.


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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:48 PM
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2. Did you notice that the brilliant right-winger who made the ad misspelled candidate?
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 02:51 PM by Blue in Portland
Nothing says "moran" better. :eyes:

I hate to be a grammar, spelling, and punctuation snob, but when people see themselves as superior in every way and are so obviously uneducated fools it makes me soooo angry. And that makes me even angrier, because anger diminishes my power.

edited to add link: http://www.mountainx.com/news/2007/the_campaign_on_youtube
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:26 PM
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4. Thank's for the link! What a title!
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“DEMOCRAT ELAINE LITE DANCING WITH WITCHES,”

If this group wasn't using my faith as a smear it could actaully be funny.
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