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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:35 PM
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I am sorry to see all the attacks on Edwards supporters in this support group!
I am sorry to see former Edwards supporters attack other Edwards supporters for differing opinions. This is our "safe" haven. Many of us feel John was "forced " from the race and do not feel any warm cuddles for those we think are responsible for it.

Each of us has to come to terms with our own individual way of dealing with this. Some will support Hillary, some will support Obama, some will not support anyone.Some will write in John. Some will stay home.Some will continue as Democrats.others will leave the party and become Independent.

No one answer is better than another and it is insulting that anyone would judge another Edwards supporter for refusing to march in lock step with the party on this issue and "happily"support whichever of the "historical" candidates that has been crammed down our throat.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:38 PM
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1. Heart-felt and very useful post, saracat, which is your usual.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 01:45 PM by Old Crusoe
I honor anyone's vote, and honor anyone's impulse to participate in the process. Never met James Madison, but wouldn't want to if I didn't vote. A lot of people died so I can cast a vote.

On a more personal subject, I miss the fierce emphasis on domestic details that John Edwards' campaign provided. I credit him and Elizabeth, although I don't wish to slight David Bonior and Mudcat and many others.

Also there are many local County people who to this hour would love it if John Edwards were our nominee. They aren't as famous as Mudcat and Bonior, but their work counts for a lot. In fact, they comprise most of our household's address book. Ya gotta love em.

I call for a powerful current for Democrats against John McCain. He talks a friendly game sometimes (tho not always) but at heart, I feel he is unstable and war-like.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:01 PM
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2. Really ? Then you understand that if O is the nominee, I will not vote for him?
I will likely write in John Edwards. because I will not support the thuggery that denied him the right to go all the way to the convention. I will vote the downline.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:20 PM
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3. Well, I urge you personally to consider the potential dangers of a McCain
White House.

Write-in votes are legitimate votes. I respect your choice.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:26 PM
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4. I urge everyone to consider the potential dangers of an Obama WH.
However one votes is legitimate but I would hope that many research the candidates and not by "hype" or intimidation.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:31 PM
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5. I fully agree. Hype and intimidation are negative forces no matter
who uses them.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:07 PM
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7. can you please stop this?
You are like a zombie following people around with your sleazy sales pitches and syrupy cliches.

What on earth is your purpose? You are acting very creepy.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:53 PM
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10. Well, sheesh, 2 Americas.
You seem kinda uptight.


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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:56 PM
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12. it is annoying OC
I wish you could see this.

People don't like evangelism and don't like sales pitches. It makes them "uptight." DU is inundated with sales pitches for candidates. We just want one little place to be free of that. Is that too much to ask?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:00 PM
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14. If there's a particular issue in the campaign or facing the nation generally
you'd like to discuss, I'd be happy to lend my fare share of the attention.

I'm open-minded on subjects.


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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:14 PM
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16. your responses make no sense
At one time, they did. What's up?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:15 PM
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17. I'm seriously open to an issues discussion.
There are a HELL of a lot of people in the Edwards group who could help make that happen, and who could add a hell of a lot to the discussion.

My SO says I make sense most of the time unless Janis Joplin is on the CD exchanger.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:17 PM
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20. you say this to me?
There are all sorts of discussions about issues out there in GD in which I am an outspoken and prolific contributor. Get out there and discuss, and leave saracat and others in here alone.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:27 PM
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21. I don't know if the Spitzer story is interesting to you or others or not,
but if it is, there is a pretty good discussion going here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2985603

on the revelations today in New York.

I'm hunching that this is going to have some impact in the future of NY politics, and possibly nationally.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:52 PM
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6. I agree completely, saracat
Your last sentence says it all.

In the past few days, this sanctuary for Edwards supporters has become a target for those who are hell-bent on promoting their own agendas and their candidates. That is not the purpose of these candidate forums. Posters who come here with an agenda are violating the rules, and more importantly, violating the ethics of the candidate forums.

I think it is worth noting that we will not be brow-beaten into compliance, and will not be harassed into supporting which ever candidate they promote. Their hostile and aggressive advocacy tends to push us further away and defeats their purpose. This IS the Edwards Supporters Forum. It is our sanctuary, our place to share the ideologies of John Edwards, and we WILL NOT be driven from it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:15 AM
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8. Thank you miss deeds. It is shameful that we have to keep "defending". ourselves here.
We don't have any obligation to say nice things about or support any candidate if we don't want to. Not in this forum. We support John.We do not have to like anyone else or be "disappointed" in the behavior of any Edwardian regarding any candidate. We ought not to be lectured to regarding our opinions concerning other candidates.

Some can support certain candidates, others can't .That is their business. It should be left alone. We are not here to defend other candidates from attack. I suggest those who want to defend those other candidates bring that to that candidate forum, not ours.

Our "true" candidate has suspended. And you might find remarks you find offensive regarding remaining candidates. We do not need to deal with outrage regarding those feelings.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:36 AM
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9. As for me, I just don't care who wins...O, H or McBush
My life will be fine, in fact better if a Republican wins.

You see, I'm one of those who benefit from war and tax cuts :D However, as bad as another term of Bush would be on the world overall, I really did fight hard to get the one truly compassionate candidate, a real fighter, into the White House, and he was stepped on like a bug by the corporate powers that control the DNC.

I saw him stepped on like a bug here on the DU and other Progressive sites that continually painted Edwards as a hypocrit because he's wealthy. WTF? So was FDR and JFK.

I wanted everybody in the country to be as happy as I am :D Now I just don't care, the H/O wars bore me, though I lean Hillary because I know what I'm getting.

Obama, not so much. The comments of "adoration" makes my head explode. I've checked his public record and he's a big fat wuss. No career risks and a 6 year old anti war speech that he gave in the bluest, most anti-war liberally "safe" section in Chicago. Geesh.

That's how I feel personally, though I do respect everyone's choice, it just pisses me off for people to tell me IT'S FOR THE PARTY, YOU MUST GET BEHIND OBAMA FOR THE PARTY, HE'S A WINNER, FOR THE PARTY, HE'S OUR PARTY SAVIOUR, WE MUST WIN AND SAVE AMERICA.

Sorry, I've looked into those eyes also, and saw no soul. His wife Michelle Obamarosa makes the hair stand up on my neck.

I will put a clothespin on my nose and vote for "history" in Nov, but thinking of what we've lost with Edwards, I'm without inspiration, passion and hope right now.

At least the Hillary supporters respect me as an ally, and not a dumbass who needs to be told how to think and feel.

I know I'm not alone (see my sig line), we've had over 400 sign up with over 50,000 hits in a week. We call it the Edwards refugee camp. Oh sure, people are leaning towards O and H, and that's fine. Our priority is to keep Edwards message alive :D

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:54 PM
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11. Actually, we do have that obligation to defend Democrats.
The admins take that sort of thing to heart.

People on this forum defending Dems are truer to its purpose than those tearing them down.

Edwards himself appears to endorse that position, as noted on his website.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:58 PM
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13. the admins?
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 06:03 PM by Two Americas
You are going to appeal to authority now? Is that a veiled threat?

So much for your claims to innocence.

This post is horrendous. Just horrendous. You are being highly dishonest and manipulative with this.

Your sweet sales pitches weren't working, and either did your phony appeals to loyalty and unity, so now you are resorting to threats that you will snitch on people.

You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for deceiving and now turning on your fellow Edwards supporters, who were all kind and considerate to you over the months. Are these the "Democratic party values" you are demanding that we all be loyal to?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:00 PM
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15. Ha! I think "innocense" as a concept leaves us long before 7th grade.
You can chekc with some shrinks around, but I think a strong case could be made.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:20 PM
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18. You know, there may be a solution
Perhaps we could put the offending posters on our "ignore" lists. Spirited discourse is welcome and necessary, but badgering Edwards supporters, and following posters from thread to thread to taunt them and incite arguments is intolerable.

As of this time, I have no one on my ignore list, but I think that may change, and soon.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:24 PM
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19. Not me. I'm for open discussion and mutual respect.
None of this hearing-around-corners PM'ing.


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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:49 PM
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22. It works, believe me. there are great big gaps in this whole thread for me.
:toast: :thumbsup: :toast:
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:26 PM
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23. I haven't put anyone on ignore yet at DU.
But I just may have to change that if I want to post here at the Edwards group, which is pretty much my last refuge at DU. If some posters continue to come in here acting like Edwards progressives while attempting to sell us on another candidate, and preach getting along rather than criticism, then I may either do the ignore thing or not post at all. If Obamabots wish to have every corner of DU then so be it, they can say they have won and they can have this place. I'm sure I won't be missed, having been one of those who speaks out negatively about the golden, wonder "O".

Every time I try to taste the Kool-aid I have to spit it out. And the Hillary Punch is a sour mixture. I would rather go to the corner store where corporate poisons line the shelf, at least I'll get a little something out of that.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:49 AM
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24. I think that's a handful of good considerations. I would really like to
see as many of our original 8 candidates forge our new government as possible.

That isn't said to exclude other Democrats, obviously. But instead, it's suggested as an emphasis on teamwork and fair play.

And besides, if you formed an amalgam of those 8 people, you'd have a hell of an effective Cabinet/group of advisors.

For example, Richardson is a hell of a talented guy. I hated it when the media ignored him as much as they ignored Edwards.

The media also ignored Kucinich, in the moments when they weren't taunting and ridiculing him.

The media have not been the friends of the Edwards campaign this year and for that matter, the media haven't been the friends of any other Democrat's campaign either.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:08 PM
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25. I Feel The Same Way... I Have NEVER Used the Ignore Button... But
I have come to the Edwards Forum for "RESPITE FROM THE STORM!" I'm SICK of the fighting and screaming and hissy-fits and micro scoping every single word that is said by the other TWO!

It's downright disgusting! I prefer to be among those who have ALWAYS believed in John Edwards and his message and are feeling completely left out in the COLD because too many IDIOTS decided that the Democrats needed to "Make History!" And in doing so, started such a storm of fighting and nastiness the likes of which I could NEVER have imagined!

So for others to come HERE, at the EDWARDS FORUM and try to entice us into dialog about the others, seems UNCOUTH and OFFENSIVE. But that's just how I FEEL!

If one wants to fight, GO FIGHT... you won't have a problem finding a worthy opponent from what I've seen. However, YOU ARE entitled to YOUR opinion... WE just don't have to LIKE it, nor does it make all that much sense because WE have made our decisions as to where we want to post!!! I rarely post at the other sites anymore, UNLESS it's to support John Edwards or to lament about how I miss him!

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:44 PM
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26. ChiciB1 you rock! They are uncouth and we don't need the harassment!
We do not need to like or support anyone we do not want to and we should not be judged for it. They can go to their own candidates forum to support them.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:38 PM
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27. Yeppers! SaraCat & You Get Mucho Ringy-Dingy's For ALWAYS Being
there and stating the OBVIOUS! There are times when I feel I might not be seeing a complete picture, but there are TOO MANY MORE times when I think I've seen all I WANT TO SEE!

Stickums and HUGGLES! We FEEL the REALITY... And just to cover my BUDDING 60ish FEMALE White ASS, that's my opinion and I'm STICKING with it!

If we can't have PEACE then let the REVOLUTION begin!!!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:57 PM
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28. Saracat, we got your BACK! We have to keep this forum as our haven.
GDP is unbearable.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:03 PM
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29. But not so unbearable that saracat isn't out there all the time.
Which is cool. I mean, hey -- everyone's opinion counts, right?
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:30 PM
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30. OC, I have enjoyed your posts through the years. But I am flummoxed by many of your
arguments since you joined the Obama camp. I find much of your "reasoning" nonsensical, and antithetical to the previous sensibilities you posted. What happens to the thought process when you drink the Obama kool-aid?

Et tu?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:35 PM
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31. Yo. Good to see ya. Here's the deal.
The Edwards group rightly honors John Edwards' contribution to the party and to the national dialogue.

I'd be shocked if it didn't and so would you.

That's the starting point for many of us.

But Edwards has withdrawn from the race. He will have a handful of delegates in Denver.

He may endorse Clinton, or Obama, or neither.

We'll have to respect his judgment on that, yes?

I certainly will. So while I do not claim to speak for you or others here, I do reiterate my profound respect for the Edwards group and the candidate who inspired it.

If you want a discussion on an issue, chimpymustgo, just let me know. I'd be happy to throw in.

Cheers.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:00 PM
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38. Color me flummoxed as well.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:11 PM by Seabiscuit
I remember OC well, I used to enjoy reading his thoughtful posts, and I considered myself a friendly acquaintance of his on the DU boards. We even exchanged a few PMs over the years.

But I don't recognize the guy seemingly masquerading as OC any more. I don't know how old he is, but it seems as if drinking from Obama's Kool-aid well has turned him into someone more senile than my 80-year old father-in-law, who also doesn't make much sense any more and who also gets off on annoying people just for the sake of annoying people.

I haven't seen him around all that much on the boards, but I do recall finally getting into it with him when he teamed up with a pack of wild-eyed Obamanoids falsely claiming that Hillary had "endorsed" John McCain.

Since I haven't seen that many of his posts I can't comment on what some here are saying about his behavior on other boards, but I will say that I have always found myself in solid agreement with Saracat and CJP, just to name a few who populate the Edwards forum, and who have posted in this thread.

What I don't get is why OC can't or won't get it that his presence on the Edwards boards since he joined the Obama camp, and his presence in this thread itself is not appreciated by the other posters here. Why does he keep it up when he must know he's not wanted here? When CJP rips into him near the bottom of the page, why does he respond with a nonsensical question about what kind of "cleric" CJP is, when he knows that CJP is an attorney? He also should know or could easily discover that "Cleric John Preston" is a fictional character played by Christian Bale in the 2002 film, Equalibrium. It's just a handle CJP is using, much like my using a handle taken from a film about a horse.


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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:11 PM
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39. The Kool-aid is amazing and scary stuff.
Coming from an ex, hard-core drug addict and alcoholic, that says a whole lot!

The Obama movement and the tide of people getting on board remind me of a movement in a certain European country during the early part of the last century. That statement will likely offend some people, but it must be pointed out and discussed. It is too potentially dangerous to leave such observations and discussions in secret out of fear of being called a traitor.

Always question charismatic leaders, most are not what they pretend to be. There are genuine leaders who stand for freedom, like King or Ghandi. Make sure the political movements you follow are of this kind of energy.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:16 PM
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40. There are very few Kings and Ghandis. Perhaps I'd add JFK, RFK, FDR. But you're right - most
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:19 PM by Seabiscuit
charismatic leaders are not what they pretend to be.

It's clear to anyone who's been paying any real attention at all that BO certainly isn't. And the behavior of most of BO's followers is downright scary in its cultish and mean-spirited manifestations.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:27 PM
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41. Let's hope people see through this charade.
When will we people of the world learn to see the dangerous trends that can eventually lead to further suffering?

Weren't there enough lessons these past 100 years?

Conditioning, ignorance, and the dictates of our own selfish, egoic selves is our demise.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:08 PM
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42. Unfortunately, there aren't enough of us who do, or Edwards would be taking
these primaries and the GE by a landslide.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 04:14 PM
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32. I am sorry to see all the attacks on Edwards supporters in this support group!
me too..who invited the other assholes in here??????????


lol

they need to scram..skit, scat..and get the fuck outta here!!


fly
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:57 PM
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33. Well, well, well, well
Hello everybody! I was just passing through and had to stop by. Anytime the esteemed saracat, a friend in Edwards and true Democracy, has to resort to pleading to get the space she and we TRUE Edwards supporters deserve, I get interested in that post.

So, what do I see when I get here? I see several reasonable Edwards supporters with a rational point of view, and a FAUX fraudulent nickel store impersonator, who has demonstrated better than parody, what hapens to the minds of people once they imbibe from the Obama fountain.

Well, Old Crusoe, back to inflict your cultish ways here? Oh yes, my "friend", it is cultist. Your fraudulent plaintive pleas for understanding, unity and the American way of life, sound like stock footage from a moonie event. Peace, love, man. Get real, dude!

Two Americas pegged you, and I know every time I take on one of your cadre in GDP, you are there to stir the kool-aid crowd. Your remarks in here are on the thin line of lucidity, barely hanging on. Like your man Obama, you spout generalities which have a tenuous correlation to anything being said. You are a human platitude speaker, much like Obama, who speaks, but manages to say...NOTHING.

How dare you come into this forum, which supports a Populist candidate, and debase that forum with the rantings of the ANTI-Populist, darling of the CORPORATE MSM and insurance industry. I have lsitened intently to Obama and my first impression was accurate, there is no there, there.

How DEMOCRATIC of you Old Crusoe, to infer Admin action against anyone who doesn't ascribe to your TOTALITARIAN heavy-handedness. First, Obama ISN'T the choice yet of the Democratic Party, is he? Are you going to join in the frivolity if HRC is elected?????

Something very strange and impolitic takes over after you imbibe the Kool-Aid. A noxious combination of dogmatic myopia, and bullying. Why so intolerant of other points of view Old Crusoe? Why so intent on drowning out LOYAL opposition? Everything you are doing is ANTI-DEMOCRATIC. I suggest you report YOURSELF Old Crusoe, for you are no Democrat if you bully free thinkers.

I have faith in the end result Old Crusoe. I believe in Democracy. I am not afraid of it or a good debate. In the end, the Truth will tell. Edwards never went out willingly. We here all know that. When the Left wing arises, the TRUE CORE DEMOCRATS that we are will revel in the flame-out of corporate right-wing Democrats and their soulless followers.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:15 AM
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34. "democratic" and "Democratic" as well.
I call for a strong showing against the Republicans in November.

I hope you're on board with that, Cleric John.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:58 AM
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35. To reiterate saracat's excellent points in her OP, I am also sorry to
see anyone berate anyone else for differing views on the remaining candidates in the nomination race.

Would that John were still in there, but of course we all know what happened.

Agree also with saracat that some Edwards fans will not support a candidate, some will go for Obama, some for Clinton, write-in for JRE, maybe some for Gravel. Who knows?

Just for the record, I think Gravel is a damned decent guy also.

Those who leave the party to become Independents of one or another stripe won't be able to promote their non-Democratic tickets on DU. And rightly so, since the admins have been quite clear on the pro-Democratic policies.

There must come some acknowledgement that in primary and caucus processes, one's first or second choices are not always the candidate(s) comprising the ticket. That's a process/outcome issue and not a personal opinion on the merits of any one candidate.




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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:18 AM
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36. Same old, same old Crusoe
thinking you are smarter than many of us. I scoff at the feints and distractions you contort yourself through, to be a one man proselytizer and shill for the Obama Camp.

Look at yourself Old Crusoe, a shadow of your former self. You now play the role of the foot in the door Jehovah's Witnesses, who knock unsolicited on your door, to sell their cheap vision of religion and faith.

Like some old time revivalist or "born again", you come here to peddle your new found faith system. Well, no one is buying, especially from you.

Before you PREDICTABLY came back in here to spout another round of BS, I was presient enough to know you would drag your dim-witted THREATS with you. Try again buster. Listen to this slowly and comprehend the message: There is no one here, including me, peddling some third party candidate. Nor, am I suggesting any other candidate than the Democratic candidate.

But, I dislike Obama as a candidate, which is my right and will fight for HRC by default. Last time I checked, despite the LUNACY of your cadre, she is a DEMOCRAT!If and when Obama seals the deal as candidate, then I will hold my nose and pull the lever for a DEMOCRAT, even if in name only with Obama.

So quit peddling your cheap threats and empty rhetoric candidate in here. No one is buying it or YOU!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #36
37. Just as a point of reference, Cleric John, what are you a cleric of, exactly?
One rarely encounters true clerics as judgmental as your posts seem to suggest you are.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. I can hardly believe
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 07:23 PM by ClericJohnPreston
YOU ARE AS INSIPID AS YOUR POSTS. DID YOU GET A LOBOTOMY RECENTLY? ARE THEY NECESSARY FOR THE SUSPENSION OF BELIEF YOU MUST HAVE, TO ACTUALLY VEST YOURSELF IN AN EMPTY SUIT RIGHT WING CANDIDATE WITH NO EXPERIENCE AND CONVINCE YOURSELF HE IS JUST LIKE EDWARDS?

SOMEONE CALL FOR HELP. A POD PERSON IS LOOSE IN THIS FORUM AND LOOKING FOR ANOTHER BODY TO INHABIT.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Well, may the gods and goddesses bless you, no matter what you are
a cleric of.


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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Of
rationality and common sense. You know, all those things that you are not.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. No, seriously. Are you affiliated with a church, temple, synagoge,
meadow, or secret glen?

One asks as a frame of reference to your screen name.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #49
54. Learn disappointment
then.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #54
56. You know what? I bet Sen. Faircloth would profit from your
admonition.

John Edwards whooped him pretty good to become a U.S. Senator.

Not only a great day for John Edwards, but a great day for Democrats everyplace, IMO.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. NAH
YOU WILL LEARN BETTER BY MY ADMONITION. IT IS JUST FOR YOU. COME HERE AND YOU WILL LEARN DISAPPOINTMENT, FUTILITY AND BEING HUMBLED.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. Faircloth? Edwards whupped him just fine. And thank god.
Faircloth was nobody's buddy. Except maybe Jesse Helms.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #49
63. You sir are one of the main reasons I took a second look at Obama
I wanted to see if somehow I had misjudged him because so many of his supporters were so certain that he was what was best for this country. Well sorry but he is no FDR, JFK, or EDWARDS. You may not be as direct as some of your fellow Obama supporters, with their vile insults such as "old lizard brain white women" who somehow are "afraid of the big black man" you are worse. Your veiled threats and attempts at condescending humor might make you feel superior but make no mistake those are tactics of a bully. A tactic that as a woman I have become all to familiar with and learned long ago it was not in my best interest to back down from. You have no real desire to discuss policies or your candidate's position, you are just another bait and switch used car salesman. Sorry but I'm not in the market for a used car. I'm still in Edwards camp and remember all too well what happened to our party in 1972, but because of the constant sniping by Obama supports in GDP I find myself leaning towards Clinton.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. He is less judgemental than the so called "clerics" Obama hangs with Wright and McClurkin.
Ay least "Cleric John Preston" isn't a racist or a homophobe.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Doncha love it? o's 20 year Pastor been preaching anti-American but 0 never heard it ?? !! LOLOLOL
0 is on all the shows this evening splainin away - but refuses to repudiate
his pastor - only rejects what the pastor says, although "he understands it".

If those idiots dont get it now - they are really koolaided and waiting for
the mother ship.

The more 0 talks, the more I see - BUH BYE 0 :woohoo:
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. We are so screwn if that lying so-and-so gets nominated.
And then the other two prospects make me shiver too.

So any which way it goes we are screwed.

"Hello, Edwards, Gore, can you hear us?! We need you here, and fast!!"
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #45
50. Well, one would hope he isn't. One would hope no one is.
Take Geraldine Ferraro, for example.

Or Billy Shaheen.

One would hope they weren't either, but then again, one might be disappointed.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. One would hope
that one would go away.

One would hope that the dense fog and lemming-like droning would go away.

One would hope that anyone who uses the word, "HOPE", would recognize that they are using a dime store imitation of the REAL thing.

One would hope, that those who use pithy rhetorical empty statements in posts would go away.

One would hope, that those that hope without sentient thought, would just go away.

One would hope that those who speak of false hope and never have anything substantive to say would go away.

One would hope that said bland empty vessel would realize this poster will not relent and will be relentless in eradicating divisive and knowing false hoping posters.

One would hope that those with FAITHLESS hope would get it.

One would hope that that those who falsely hope would see the IRONY in their choice of words.

One would hope.......
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. You've got the subject/verb thing down pat, Cleric John.
Next up in the work book: content.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #52
53. You wouldn't know content
or substance if it hit you squarely in the head.

Obamite.

Formulaic much?

I won't stop.

Next subject: Being willfully oblivious
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #53
55. Well, the content does matter, as it mattered to the Democrats you
have listed.

It certainly mattered to Dr. King and JFK, RFK, and FDR, to include your examples.


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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. Yes
THEY knew and understood content, as we Edwards people do as well.

YOU DON'T.

You ceded rational thought, objectivity and concern with substance when you joined the kool-aid crowd.

Since then, you have proven the pointless finality of that choice. You are no more than a human bullet point non substantive poster of empty rhetoric, just like your "fearless leader".

You are now, just a mere caricature, rendered meaningless by your own choices.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. One proceeds through the dark garden, Cleric John. As a cleric, I'm sure
you catch the reference.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Have you no fucking shame, OC? STOP HARASSING US!!!
Go to the Obamatology forum. LEAVE US ALONE!!!!
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. I told you I would repay your odious scent
with Obama Reckoning, didn't I? I never break a promise. So, without further ado....

When the going gets tough, the weak get Rovian:

"Following a week in which he faced a growing controversy regarding his relationship with his former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Sen. Barack Obama spoke about the increasingly divisive nature of the Democratic race.

Sen. Barack Obama on Saturday decried "the forces of division" over race that he said are intruding into the Democratic presidential nomination contest.


"We have to come together," he told a town-hall meeting at a high school.<...>

Obama suggested that more and more is being made of racial divisions as his contest with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton heats up.

"I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again. And I'm not here to cast blame or point fingers because everybody, you know, senses that there's been this shift," Obama said.

"It reminds me: We've got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country. We've got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. ... This country wants to move beyond these kinds of things."


So, Obama goes back to playing the race card Old Crusoe and Obamite friends, while seemingly standing above the fray. But he is playing that card by invoking it's thought in his minions, like you wild-eyed fanatics.

Have fun being played as the marionettes you all are. Pathetic.....

P.S. I have more...an endless supply of TRUTH for all your unwanted appearances.


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