To the participants in this group.

[Skinner]

I have been avoiding any public comment on this situation, because I was hoping you would all sort it out for yourselves. But I've received enough requests from people asking me to step in that I figure it's time for me to inject my two cents. To be honest, I'm a little surprised that I am once again being pulled into a conflict involving Astrology, fully seven months after we created the DU Groups and freed you from being tormented by Skeptics.

Basically, I'm of two minds.

On the one hand: If you all want two separate groups, then I don't really see any reason why I should stand in the way. I can have the new group set up in five minutes and wash my hands of the whole thing. End of story.

But on the other hand: I don't really see the need for two groups, nor do I think it will solve the problems here. My impression is that one week ago, most people here had not even considered the possibility of creating two groups, nor had most people felt that there was a need for it. If the split hadn't been proposed, I doubt it would be an issue for most people.

The stated rationale for this new Astrology forum is twofold: 1) Astrologers no longer post in the existing forum, and 2) You don't want to have to share a space with other stuff that is not "scientific" like Astrology.

In response to #1, my feeling is that further separating people will not cause more people to get involved with Astrology discussions. Sure, there will be a temporary boost in interest, but after a while I suspect participation will wax and wane just as it does here. It seems to me that the problem of "Astrologers don't post here anymore" is quite simple to solve: Start posting again!

In response to #2, my feeling is that this problem might follow you to your new home. I can already make out a line between self-styled "professional/real" astrologers versus "amateur" astrologers. How will you all feel if/when some amateur shows up in the new Group whose approach to Astrology is different or unorthodox? Do we create another Group just for real astrologers? And how do we decide who makes the cut?

Furthermore, there seem to be lots of people who like the Group exactly how it is. They don't want to have to visit two groups, and I don't really think they should have to do so.

So, with that in mind, and given the fact that the discussion of Astrology on DU seems to have a history of problems no matter where the discussions take place, I guess my impression is that these problems might not be related to location. Perhaps there are just some personality differences. Personality problems are better solved with use of the ignore feature or the hide thread feature. I think it is arguable that the current denigration of certain topics in this forum is in violation of the mission statement of this forum, which says: "This group is intended as a positive place for those who desire a deeper discussion of these stated topics and is not intended as a place to argue the merits of beliefs or choices."

So -- to make a long story short -- I think splitting up is a mistake and may not solve the perceived problems. If it's already decided, then I'll do whatever you all want me to do. I'll create a new group. But I'm not going to force people to use a new Group if they are perfectly happy with this one.

That's my two cents. Talk amongst yourselves and let me know when you all agree on a decision.

[Cleita]

1. Did you say your name was Solomon?

He didn't want to split the baby into two either. :-)

[Pathwalker]

2. Thank you Skinner, for your thoughtful post.

Now, it is up to "US" to decide what will become of this group.
Any suggestions? Do we vote, take a poll, or what?

[Cleita]

3. I have PM'd DesertRose, Eloriel and DemExPat about

having a meeting thread with everyone included. I expect they will reply in a few hours if not sooner. I would have PM'd you but I couldn't.

[Pathwalker]

5. Why not? I can recieve pms. I have gotten several

in the last few days. As far as I know, it isn't disabled. Anyway, I'll be popping in and out, so I'll keep an eye out for your thread.
THANKS!

PS: If you know of something I might have done that makes it so you can't pm me, please let me know - I can use the help. :hi:

[Cleita]

6. It said you had disabled your profile.

It could be just a glitch.

[Pathwalker]

7. Yes, my profile is disabled, but if you click on

that first icon (the letter thingy), doesn't that work? That's what I do, and I don't know if there is another way... :shrug:

[Cleita]

8. I did it from your icon on a post.

Well, I contacted you anyway. :-)

[Pathwalker]

10. Did you send me a pm? I didn't get it.

Not that it matters - I'm here now!

[Cleita]

13. Like I said I couldn't. It's not important now. We'll sort it out

later.

[Quakerfriend]

4. Thx Skinner!

I say we take a vote.

[Cleita]

9. I think we should have a meeting first, probably on this thread.

The astrologers still seem to be determined. Read the last posts on their thread. They just want out.

[Pathwalker]

11. Is there any point in keeping them here, if they don't want

to be part of this group? I don't care for controlling others any more than I like attempts to control me, and this opinion is shared by others as well. Besides, I agree with Skinner that the denigration of some posters for having what some consider "controversial beliefs" IS (arguably) a violation of the original Mission Statement, and this situation has created plenty of hard feelings in both camps. We must resolve this issue, and I hope we can do so in a way that is for the benefit of EVERY one of us.
I'm just not sure HOW we get there from here.

[Cleita]

12. That's why we need a meeting thread.

Let's bring all this out in the open and then if they still want their own forum, it looks like Skinner will give it to them. I don't want to keep anyone around against their will either.

[Pathwalker]

14. Okay. Is this thread acceptable?

Or, do you think we need another one?

[Cleita]

16. I think this one should be okay if it's okay with everyone else. n/t

[LWolf]

17. My 2 cents:

I don't need to separate astrology from other metaphysical topics, so I think the ball is in the court of those who wanted to "move out," so to speak. If they still want a second group, and they get it accomplished, then we can possibly update the name and mission statement of this group. If they decide to stay, they are welcome and we can continue sharing space.

[DemExpat]

25. These are good 2 cents, and I back them wholeheartedly.

:hi: LWolf

DemEx

[Desertrose]

20. I posted to Skinner below & made a suggestion

since it seems to be the astrologers who want out and are not comfortable with the things we want to post...that they want an astrology only room (group)...perhaps give them a room on a trial basis and if there are problems there...then...well...:shrug:

Tell them they can have their separate group but they have to be able to get along and no more stuff like they've pulled here. No more power struggles...play nice & you get to keep the place.

Does that sound awful???

I really have no problem at all with them remaining in this forum, but they will have to abide by the current mission statement and I should have noticed that perhaps they weren't. This is my (our) safe place to share and I will not be judged in my own house.

Oh...and I agree with what LWolf shared:hi:

DR

[Eloriel]

33. Can we say SOME of the astrologers?

Oh -- that's right, I'm not an astrologer any more. But Nancy is. So it still applies.

[Desertrose]

35. Yes, I should have said SOME astrologers...it's clear it's not all of them

Dang, El, never thought we'd end up on this side of the fence,did you???

Kinda ironic,huh?

Nancy is so much one of us I forget she is ...well ....nevermind.

at least you can post non-astrology astrology :evilgrin:

[icymist]

15. Thankyou Skinner for your swift reply.

I feel a separate astrology group might just be the right thing. I believe that is what's needed now. I'm sure we can all get along together in whatever group could as well happen. What I'm worried about are trained 'freepers' for no other word, being trained to infiltrate and disrupt normal relations. Remember, there are people being trained to infiltrate and disrupt this group! (the DU) We, in this forum may be seen as a weak link.

[Desertrose]

18. Hi Skinner...sorry to make you poke your head in here....

(are we making too much noise again?)


I agree with your assessment of this rather unexpected turn of events.

Gotta admit that I was surprised with this when I thought we had a great place. (thanks again btw:hi:) I think we have all seen the number and variety of posts wax and wane on the separate groups. I had no idea that some (certainly not all) the astrologers were not posting because of the "content" of the rest of the forum!...and I'm honestly not sure I buy that theory.

I know many of us have been very busy with life & things off line and just don't have as much TIME to dedicate to this group as we did at the beginning. I know how many on here have given much much time to get this forum into the comfy welcoming and enlightening place it is....or at least it was. I think that maybe this is just one of those times when folks are busy....plus..no big elections or news or turmoil to fire everyone up. Posters come and go and I think it may be unreasonable to expect a certain % of any type of threads to be posted at any given time.

I have to agree, I seriously doubt a split will solve all the problems and maybe its unfair on my part to want to just happily wave bye bye to the dissenting people so that our forum will be free from judgements and problems. My concern is how do we mend the hard feelings if some don't get their way? But then thats not really your problem , is it?

You have given us a nice home....maybe growth warrants an extra room. If the new room has the same problems, then I guess that will have to be dealt with somehow. Perhaps a trial group and if there is trouble.....??? If the astrologers can prove that they can get along in their own new place then you will know it was the right choice.:)


(Geez, I never in a million years thought I'd be put on the opposite side of the "astrologers"...I thought we were all one family. Go figure!)

Anyhow....I'll be fine with whatever decision you come up with.... and thanks for giving us this group in the first place. It was so peaceful & safe after some of the rougher areas we had to hang out.

:)DR

[Me.]

19. Thank You Skinner

for the well thought out and cogent assessment of this situation. I quite agree with you about the reasons why a split would be spurious and would, if this is a vote, vote against it. However I suspect, now that a head of steam has gathered itself around the issue, that the others will be intent on going off on their own. What I would like for this forum is for it to continue in much the same vein as it has and for the welcome mat to be out for all ideas, including astrology.

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

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[Me.]

29. Frankly I Have No Idea What You Are Talking About

As far as I can see the only ones not welcome to come here until recently are the skeptics and naysayers, and they still are not welcome.

[Pathwalker]

30. pssst. That WAS one.

That's why it was deleted.

[Me.]

31. I Thought I Remembered That One

from the time when they felt free to attack. By the time I had responded the delete was in.

[davsand]

21. I am ok with staying here. I can be ok with the Astrologers moving out.

I will support whatever the group decides to do. My personal opinion is that I want an end to anger here, and whatever it takes to make THAT happen and have everyone back on an even keel is fine by me.

I am enriched by the offerings of the Astrologers, and I am equally enriched by the other items of interest that come up here.

Split or not, something that I do think has GOT to be defined is WHAT we all expect from the forum(s) and what we all expect behaviorally from each other. If I want to post a thread about the study of the Yeti's mating habits, or the location of Atlantis (not that I know much about either of those things) I should like to feel comfortable to do so.

Right now, I do not feel I can and it saddens me.

I will support whatever comes about, and I am staying right here.


Laura

PS: Skinner, you make a great "Dad"--you mediate VERY well. Are you sure you weren't on the Brady Bunch or Father Knows Best in another life?

:evilgrin:

[Pathwalker]

22. I would like to put forth a suggestion, regarding

the name of the "old" forum should this group seperate. I pmed Dr about it, and she asked me to suggest it here.

The Metaphysical Meeting HOUSE.

My reasons for suggesting this are:
First, I don't want it to be confused for The Meeting Room, which still exists, and where the skeptics still post. I don't think anyone wants to return to that, do we?
Second; many posters have stated that they don't feel INCLUDED, or welcome here due to criticism. Since a house INCLUDES multiple rooms with multiple functions, I feel that this name expresses a much roomier feeling, and indicates a more open atmosphere where everyone can participate without fear of censure, denigration, or feeling harshly judged. If you don't care for a certain room, you don't need to use it.
Lastly, I have a purely personal reason for suggesting it; the Metaphysical bookstore near me is a lovely, charming Queen Anne house where every subject has it's own room, and is decorated accordingly. It is absolutely enchanting, a comfortable place where one is more inclined to take their time and shop longer. (Good marketing stategy, too!) I have loved that place since the day I discovered it, and I think about it often while I'm here. I know if any of you saw it, you'd feel right at HOME. And that's a feeling I'd like to have everyone here feel.

What do you think?

[Eloriel]

34. Oooh, I like that. A lot. n/t

[Dover]

23. Thank you Skinner. You have eloquently expressed what is in my heart

and on my mind. I would like for people to take a good hard look at how things have played out here too and search themselves before making a decision. I think the lull here has simply been a natural ebb and flow of energies...no one's fault. And the denigration of others is simply not acceptable.

[Name removed]

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[Pathwalker]

27. Sorry you are offended by the pm stuff.

I will take the blame. I am "notoriously" technologically challenged, something I've mentioned in the past once or twice; it actually took FIVE e-mails for elad to walk me through changing my e-mail address here. I was rather excited that Cleita had tried to e-mail me, but I apologize if I offended you.

[Name removed]

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[Desertrose]

41. tlc...check your inbox

Please don't add any more stress to yourself here...you have a very full plate dear one.....the deleted post was per DU rules is my guess....
I learned some of them the hard way myself.....

:hug::loveya:
DR

[Dover]

26. Well, I guess we'll all be on pins and needles here, until Pallas's return

and/or until the Moon becomes more positive.

Pallas's latest post:

"The Moon Today thru the next few days is in negative aspects so
I'm just going to take a little vacation from this online.

But I'll be available to pm me.

Have a great weekend guys."

[Cha]

32. Thank you for your patience

on this Skinner!

I'm one of the ones who wanted a new forum just for astrology..had no idea it would bring about such consternation.

But, whatever happens happens and I'll be happy for it.

Thanks for all you do for us on DU, Skinner! :toast:

[Matilda]

36. I also voted for a new forum for Astrology,

and I don't regret that, but I'm really sad that it has caused
offence. Whatever happens, I hope that those of us who do want
a separate forum will still be welcomed into this forum.

[Eloriel]

38. Well, of course!

Unless, of course, you joined in on any of the overt and implied condemnation and criticism and put downs of the rest of us here in doing so. And I doubt that you did if you still want to be welcome here.

I think those of us who have been upset (note past tense) aren't upset with anyone who VOTED this way or the other. It's not about choosing up SIDES, after all.

[Eloriel]

37. Seems to me the ball is in their court, and Pallas has decided to take

a vacation.

I agree with everything you said (is it the Apocalypse yet??) and found your observations and assessments quite astute.

I also think some things have been broken here beyond repair as a result of all this, at least in the short term, and you're right about personality conflicts -- which also aren't likely to be resolved in the forseeable future\, other than through Ignore and Hide Thread.

The main thing I keep thinking is: the rest of us can't (or shouldn't) force ANYone to stay where they're not happy. I don't think the vote ought to be ours. They've crafted a mission statement, they had 26 signers. I say, give it to them -- pssst! and do it NOW while the Moon is "in negative aspects."

:rofl:

Okay, a little joke. As I said in the subject line, AFAIC the ball is in their court. Has to be. But I don't see either of the primary instigators falling under the spell of your logical and rhetorical charms on this issue, and I'll bet you don't either.

[Nancy Waterman]

40. I will continue to post my articles here

As long as there seems to be interest. The Metaphysical Room has a nice inclusive sound to it.

[Dover]

43. I'm glad to hear it Nancy. I'm inclined to make this (or the metaphysical

group), my main residence. I love it here...my kinda place.

[magnolia]

47. Great!

As I said in your thread...I really look forward to your wonderful articles. For a non-astrologer they are easy to follow and understand. The writing is great too.

[loudsue]

48. I'm REALLY glad to hear it, Nancy.

My initial reaction is that there will be a lot less tension if the new group is allowed to form.

I'd like to keep the name of this forum, because that is what we, who want to remain, chose for ourselves. But if my fellow Meeting-Room refugees want a new name, that is fine, too.

There was never any intention, originally, for any type of rigid requirements of members of this forum...only that we didn't need the skeptics arguing the validity of the basis of our spiritual interests. It is still our same forum! It's the same crowd from the Meeting Room that have enjoyed the solace and renewal we receive from sharing knowledge of our spiritual journeys. Most of us are STUDENTS of the spiritual path...wherever that path may lead us to explore. There are some budding Masters here, but they (as most masters do) humbly refrain from telling everyone they are a Master. True Masters seldom have to convince anyone of who they are, because the first thing they've usually MASTERED is their ego.

I don't think it is WE who have changed our minds, or who have grown to desire a more specific, intimate exchange of ideas.

I'm sure many of us will enjoy lurking on the new, more narrowly-focused mundane-only astrology forum from time to time. I know I will, and I know, too, that I won't post there. I've mostly been lurking around here myself for quite a while, due to what seemed to become a suffocating, oppressive undercurrent.

I'm an astrologer, even though that is not how I make my living any longer. But due to the environment here of late, I haven't been interested in posting much. Maybe if those people who have had the complaints are allowed their own forum, the rest of us who have been bothered by that environment can find peace in our group once again without the criticism, demands, snarky remarks or outright bullying.

Maybe we should write a new "mission statement" for our forum to include that we invite people who want HARMONIOUS discussion or debate. Debate is a great way to learn, but it doesn't ever have to get nasty. That way, if someone is snarky, condescending or judgmental of another poster, it wouldn't meet the criteria, and their posts could be deleted....and peace could be restored.

If we feel feisty and want to pick a fight with somebody :applause: we can just go yell at some of the posers and freepers in the GD or political forums! :)

:kick::kick::kick:

[Desertrose]

50. Hey Loudsue...good to see ya!good suggestion!!

I like the addition of the word HARMONIOUS to our new mission statement:thumbsup:

Hows things with you??Good I hope :)

:loveya::hi::hug:
DR

[loudsue]

51. And a big hug back at ya, my friend!

Things with me are good, thank you! :hug: It's always a comfort to come here and hang out with you guys.

:bounce: I'm working!!! :woohoo:

And it's a really good project, with old friends I've worked with before in the past...some I've known for 20 years, and have worked with on several continents. As you know, when I work, I'm always in some State other than where I live, N. Carolina. My first year wedding anniversary is coming up in mid-July, and my husband is flying out for a few days to visit on our anniversary. :loveya:

So, the only drawback to the whole thing is that I really miss him! But, usually when I'm on a project, we're working 24/7, with an occasional slow moment to check in (at DU :evilgrin: ) ...and keeping busy helps (some) with the newlywed "separation anxiety". And, yes; even us old crones who dare to venture back out into those deep waters (marriage) have some of that. ;)

How's everything going out there in the painted desert?

:kick::kick::kick:

[Desertrose]

53. Just saw this! doh!

we are painted with SMOKE these days......

Glad things are good with you & glad you checked in...pm'd ya before I saw this......one of these dang days we'll have to catch up for real,huh?

Til then sending big :hug::loveya: yer way, wherever ya currently are LOL
:hi:DR

[Digit]

42. Splintering =diluting=less traffic=less posting

Although I can see how astrologers would like to have their own separate group, splitting the group dilutes it.
We all have seen groups where there are few postings...you go there with less and less frequency.
It is summer and the postings are low enough.
I will go along with the group, but my opinion is to keep this forum as it is.

[Trillo]

44. Here's my two cents

1) Astrologers no longer post in the existing forum

I think to some degree this is true, there are less astrology posters there, including myself--at best a "student of astrology." I'm still struggling within my own mind to understand precisely why this is. I think I might have had a light-bulb moment regarding this today, but am not sure what I can do about it. Basically, I use a laptop mostly now, in a comfy, cool location. None of my astrology software is on it, nor would I care to place it on the laptop due to its capacity and specifications. My old computer setup comprised 2 desktop PCs and 3 monitors (I'd have 4 monitors if the desk was longer, but for a longer desk I need a longer room ) Anyway, I still have that setup, in the computer room, with all my astrology books, but I rarely go there anymore or turn those machines on. It's the hottest room in the house since some shade trees needed to be removed out front due to danger to pedestrians in the street.

One thing, leads to another thing...

For the record, I will never be a real "Astrologer", because that involves testing and certification, and I will never volunteer to be "examined" anymore. It's a black and white rule I've made for myself, a promise I intend to keep to the best of my willpower for the rest of my years. Its just like the rule, "never rob a bank." Simple.

So, why not just keep astrology as hobby where a wave of interest and inspiration will engulf, then follow that inspiration until it peters out, and be fine with it petering out, until the next wave of interest hits?

I already, years ago, proved to myself that Astrologers cannot earn a living from astrology. When I tried, I placed my family in bankruptcy. Perhaps it's just like any other artistic field today such as music, fiction writing, or painting, etc., where a few "marketers" have cornered a paying market, and have distorted it in such as way that anyone else can not reasonably expect to get paid anything until they've succeeded in marketing themselves. Sorry, not interested. Take what is offered or leave me alone and stop wasting my time in negotiation and/or espionage. Simple.

I don't believe there is any opportunity for another good, competent, or even excellent astrologer in the dog eat dog world that is, which is being demonstrated everywhere today and is increasingly apparent to those who'd been asleep.

So, if astrology's not going to pay, why make it a habitual job that must be executed with clockwork regularity? Why not just accept it as a hobby? When I feel inspired, and I'm on the right computers that have the right software loaded, in the library with references, and its winter time :) thought I'd just throw this last one in for effect :) I'll post something again. Maybe.


2) You don't want to have to share a space with other stuff that is not "scientific" like Astrology.

This is not one of my reasons for voting for the new group. But the rational itself meshes with an objective that I do see as helpful. I don't like the way astrology posts get buried so quickly in this forum. Some of you may remember when astrology was in The Meeting Room--the true skeptics, and the apparent skeptics who were agent provocateurs--well, in case you haven't realized it yet, one disruptive discussion board tactic that can be played by provocateurs is to deliberately bury posts. I've seen this phenomenon all over the Internet on many interactive discussion boards, and also at DU. Someone doesn't like something on the front page, quick, get something else up there. Get 20 up there, quick! As soon as the "offending" post is removed from the front page, hmm, well posting frequency decreases as if by MAGIC. Well, I don't think it's magic, I think it's deliberate.

Their tactics have always been, and always will be, deception and disruption in any way that it's allowed so that they can continue to deceive and disrupt for whatever reason that they do. In a moderated forum, burying posts is allowed. Now, that said, I'm not saying that anyone's topics in this forum have deliberately done that. I'm saying it's possible when considered as a metaphor.

Why is this even such an issue for some? Have provocateurs pushed the emotional buttons necessary to create hard feelings, or have all the objecting posts been light and rational?

Therefore, spitting the Astrology group off provides a reason for posts to stay visible for longer, simply because the appropriate posts have been reduced into a more specialized subset.

Not every time, but many times when I try to use DU's search function, I come away frustrated. This is not so when I use Google or Yahoo, or when I used to use Alta-Vista, or Profusion, etc. At Google I usually find what I'm looking for even with a site specific search, if the page in fact exists. This group forum is "poorly indexed" by Google. I tested it just yesterday or the day before. So the only option is the DU search. I use it occasionally, and usually don't find what I'm looking for, even though I KNOW I've read the thread in the particular forum I'm searching for it in. (If I don't know what forum it's in, forget about it, it's too time consuming to manually select each separate forum that it could be in now that there are so many forums) Therefore, what's visible on the front page becomes the focus, for me, in any particular forum. The archives are a black hole to be avoided. There are likely real gem posts back in the archives, somewhere, regarding things expected to happen today. But I can't find them. This is a weakness.

I read this forum whenever I visit DU. I always read the astrology threads if the title catches my attention. I also read other threads here, and enjoy them, if I don't, I stop reading, and nobody knows that I stopped reading it except me.

I try to be, most of the time, if not polite, then cool and somewhat detached. I don't always succeed at this on other forums at DU, but hey, it's politics, ain't it?

Well, apparently, politics is once again in this forum that some claim is a refuge from all of that. Whatever. Yawn.

[Me.]

46. My Problem Is

that I can't see how anyone has been stopped or prevented from posting on astrology threads or from starting as many astrology threads as they wanted.

[ebayfool]

45. I'm too new (& not an astrologer) so I'm not putting myself up for a vote.

I did want to reaffirm what I sent to you, Elad & EarlG in an email a few days ago, though. I wrote to thank you guys for the forum ... that I had made some valued (& needed) new friends, as well as gained some invaluable support when it was so needed. Still applies, this is one of the warmer, more welcoming cubbyholes on DU - & I sure hate to see what has happened. I don't understand how it happened - to a relative newbie like myself, it was like an ambush - I had no clue of the undercurrents or something. But as a newcomer, I've cherished the people I've 'met' here & have felt welcomed ... at least till now. I kinda feel like the adopted kid who's new family is getting a 'divorce' & wonders if maybe the 'new kids' talked too much & threw off the family's balance (LOL, I know everything's not @ me - still, piss poor timing - yes?). I enjoy reading all the threads, participate in very few - I haven't the expertise to add to most of them. I ask questions to learn, add kudos when called for, & try to help when possible. I suspect that's true for a lot of us lurkers & semi-lurkers - we have miles to go to be able to add much to the technical threads like astrology.

If they relocate, I would ask if anyone that wants to be able to post anything 'astrological' they want to here, as well as the new location. There are already so many forums available, it's hard to 'sample' the whole site. The pros might feel more comfortable in a more restricted area, that can be good for them - they have (if I'm understanding it right?) a different need than what others are getting here. I just hope that there won't be too tight of a corset applied, can astrology still come here as well - if the poster wishes? I like the flow & synergy here, w/lots of drawers to open & explore - all together in the same bureau.

And you guys do have a nice bureau here, thanks for building it!

[Eloriel]

49. I think yes, the consensus of those who will be remaining here

is that astrology threads can still be posted here. In fact, Nancy Waterman said she'll continue to post her incredible threads here.

And we probably ought to get that in our mission statement, so no over-eager mods at some future date don't automatically move astro threads posted here.

[Cleita]

52. ----

:kick:

[Pallas180]

54. Skinner, concerning the additional group, Astrology: Political & Mundane

You have said in your post that we should decide among ourselves and that it would take you 5 minutes to put up a new group.

The majority of both sides came to the consensus, as seen in this thread that the two separate groupings are acceptable.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=245&topic_id=9360&mesg_id=9360

The Astrology: Political & Mundane Group e mailed you a request that its additional astrology group be added on July 8 at 3:00 PM.

We realize you have been very busy and that might not have been possible.

Would it be possible to give us an idea of when you will put up the
additional group which is described as follows:

The final description of the additional requested forum is very narrow described as so:

ASTROLOGY: POLITICAL & MUNDANE FORUM

Welcome to Astrology: Political & Mundane.
This DU Astrology Forum is for those who wish to discuss
matters having to do with Political or Mundane Astrology, i.e.
astrological matters regarding World Events, Political Forecasts and Events, Political Personages, Financial,Social,Weather and Earth Changes. All methods of astrology are welcome. Participants who wish to post to existing topics or contribute new astrological articles are welcome as long as such posts or articles encourage further discussion of Political or Mundane Astrology.

This group is intended as a positive place for those who
desire a discussion of these stated topics and is not intended
as a place to argue the merits, validity or belief in the art
and science of astrology.


it says all "methods" meaning heliocentric, geocentric, electional, horary, declination, uranian, vedic, astromapping, rectification, etc etc.

it does not say all "types" of astrology so personal, esoteric, karmic, metaphysical, natal astrology and other topics and whoever wants to post whatever usually discussed in the current forum remain in the current forum, "Astrology, Spirituality & Alternative Healing Group". That Group also would like the word "Metaphysics" added to their description is my understanding.

We all would appreciate your reply. Thanks Skinner

Pallas

[linazelle]

57. Thanks Pallas. nt

[hippiegranny]

55. I go on vacation for a couple weeks....

come back and find this? I don't even understand what is going on. One forum or two, it matters little to me. I would be ok to leave it as it is, but if the astrologers want their own, I guess that's ok too, although I don't know what caused this, and from what I'm reading it doesn't sound pretty. Maybe someone can PM me.

[Eloriel]

56. No, no, SOME astrologers

SOME astrologers cooked this up, and SOME astrologers unwittingly signed on. Don't know what the HELL they were thinking (perhaps they weren't), but too late now.

[hippiegranny]

58. so what is going on with this?

i just checked and have not found a new astrology forum. has it been dropped or is it on hold waiting for an auspicious birth time?

personally i will still probably come to this forum first, but i would also check on that one, if it indeed happens.

[tlcandie]

59. I believe the DU owners NIXED it .... after all the hoopla ..

Kinda did a flip flop on the whole schabang ..

[Eloriel]

60. Sorry, I'm as out of the loop on the denouement as you are --

which is perfectly fine with me, tho I am curious, a bit.