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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:36 AM
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Awhile back, there was a post about a woman bringing down
the Republican party.

Someone somewhere had predicted it...and in the past some on this board have guessed it might be Valerie Plame or Hillary Clinton.

Hmmm...I think it may very well be one Ms.Sarah Palin. Any thoughts...?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:11 AM
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1. I wish people would stop joking about her. If we're not careful, Sarah Palin is going to wind up
being the first female president.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:15 AM
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2. I've been warning for years about a potential corporate theocracy
and now its form may be becoming apparent.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:34 AM
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3. When Palin's nomination was announced, the first connection my mind made was to a prophecy
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 02:35 AM by BlueIris
I came across in early 2007, predicting that the first female American president would be coming in the next 3-4 years and would not be Hillary Clinton. At first I thought this psychic was going to declare Pelosi the next president, but instead s/he described this future leader as "low-profile now," and "not on anybody's radar screen yet." The prediction implied that she would go from nobody to C-I-C at warp speed, after a surprise death or resignation of a sitting president.

Yes, I know that prediction is vague enough that one could apply it to many female politicians, or dismiss it as nonsense, but I did get a "hit" off it at the time. When McCain picked Palin, I had another one.

That being posted, I still feel that the Democrats have an excellent chance at victory. But it's not a certainty (at all) and McCain/Palin is a real threat.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:38 AM
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4. If Palin
were to be put in that position, I believe the neo-cons would be her task masters. There is no way she can fly solo.
Also, if that happens, I would just have to give up entirely. Surrender to a mad mad world.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:50 AM
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5. I think it's less likely than an Obama/Biden victory. But it's not outside the realm of possibility
or plausibility.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:52 AM
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6. Sooner or later ..
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 02:52 AM by votesomemore
obviously later, the shadow government will be revealed. They cannot stay hidden forever.
And, with the planetary movements of late, don't you think they look good for exposure of deceit?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:02 AM
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7. I'll soon be posting more about what I think is going to go down next.
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 03:02 AM by BlueIris
I've wanted to share it for a while, but I also wanted to see what happened at our convention first. The future is not immutable, so I could be wrong, of course, but I have a sense of how it's all going to work out (provided we can dodge the McCain bullet). It's going to be different from what most of you are expecting.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:09 AM
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8. I cannot wait for you to do that!
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 03:10 AM by votesomemore
:bounce:

I feel like I've been getting a couple of psychic insights, and thought about your psychic threads. Hoping for one. I can't think of what they were just now. But they were good for our team.

You are so good at astrology (even though you deny it), and politics. Bring it on!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:25 AM
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9. You have a PM. nt
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:43 PM
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13. I would love to read it
I hope you get a chance to post it soon.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:39 PM
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12. Think about it though. For a small town girl whose intellect ran towards
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 12:49 PM by Cleita
sports, someone has been coaching her all along. It's like she sprang fully developed from the brain of Karl Rove. She didn't learn to be a good neo-con all by herself.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:55 PM
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16. I honestly don't think she needed any coaching.
From everything I read about her she's been a fundamentalist Christian Conservative for some time now. She's clearly been following the Republican playbook for a good decade at this point. The best example of this is calling herself a fiscal conservative while putting the small town she was mayor of some $20m in debt.

Of course, Rove and the gang are not doubt very thrilled to have her in their fold. Certainly they're thinking they can control her completely, but I wonder if she'll in the end display an independent streak that won't bode well for them. Neither, of course, would it bode well for us.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:12 PM
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17. Believing and preaching from her church pulpit
that war is from God fits in nice and snug with the neo's plans of conquer. God's team and all that.
One of the speakers, can't recall at the moment, at the R convention fussed at liberals for not calling it ISLAMIC terrorism. I think it was Guiliani.
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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:48 PM
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15. Or move to Canada
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:04 PM
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23. She's not flying solo now
If you watch her closely at teh Wisconsin speech today, she was very carefully reading her script (so close she had her face down on the podium about 6 inches from the paper at one point) and looked tense as all hell when they went to ice cream. She is a pawn.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:41 PM
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24. That's what the neocons have been doing for years.
Reagan wasn't in charge of anything after he was shot. GWB has always been a puppet of Cheney (& other background figures). I agree that she can't fly solo. McCain wanted Lieberman but they knew Lieberman wouldn't be so tractable. It's a frightening situation and it's now or never if we can't prevent them from stealing another election. That may sound crazy but this is the most important election for the future of democracy in this country's history.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:25 AM
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19. it's the Light's version of a poison pill, and a hilarious hedging of a bet.
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 09:32 AM by NuttyFluffers
really, we could be enjoying so many daiquiris and pina coladas now. you have the right track, but with a little more faith in the light and a rather insane sense of humor you can see how brilliant this little set up really is.

either Obama gets in and the light grows and there is much mending and unbinding from darkness, or McCain gets in as a cataclysmic booby trap for the GOP, Corrupt Corporations, and backers of the dark. it really is genius and i am beside myself with admiration for the machinations of the greater universe.

you see, as mutable as things are in the details, so much of the greater pattern reads immutable, particularly in this pivotal point in our age. it's all been played before, but sometimes i must applaud brilliance when i see it. really, have a drink on me, it's going to be one hell of a ride. (sadly there will be much death and destruction, but that's been the immutable part for some time now -- and a part of every step of every evolutional age. at some point we have to let go from the pride that we can 'save everyone'; utopia and salvation are not in everyone's life contract, and it is hubris to believe we can achieve it currently.)

edit: Obama will not be salvation either, by the way. just in case people were getting strange ideas from my optimism. we still must pass through the Tower whether we like it or not. there must be a reckoning for our past behavior and castles upon the sand. basically it's the difference between lengthy oral medication and a quick inoculation. both will leave us feeling miserable, one will definitely hurt more in the short term, but we'll emerge better after we take our medicine.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:44 PM
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31. NuttyF., what do you see as the "poison pill" aspects?
Other than more total ruination forcing an eventual rebuilding, though perhaps on starker terms.

I agree that Obama will not be our "salvation," btw -- in other words, we will still have to do "the work" ourselves...
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:27 AM
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21. I recall that being
discussed here. I think there were some who wanted it to mean Hillary, but whoever was making the prediction was adamant that this was someone on currently on the radar screen.

I sincerely hope that if this refers to Palin. that the predictor is completely wrong about her becoming President.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:02 AM
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10. Corporate theocracy? We are there aren't we? It's going to take
a revolution to set things right. That's my take.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:22 PM
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11. The corporations are certainly in place, but the full fraud of the religious right
has yet to be forced upon us as law.

BTW, talk of revolution is against the DU guidelines.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:47 PM
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14. Sorry, not trying to organize one, more as a figure of speech.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:08 AM
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18. this is a residual from the last transition, but more related to the Decadence.
the Lone Woman archetype has already made her voice known. she is a voice of powerful and positive change standing against the system. ironically Palin is a poignant call back piece while we transit through The Decadence, which shall transition into The Tower. in fact, we are gradually transitioning into the Tower as we speak, according to my tarot readings. it's a lengthy process, so don't get too down.

i've always said the universe has a sense of humor. Palin's presence is a hilarious overture reminding us of what quality we have recently passed, what unsavory failure we currently endure, and what judgment is to come. Palin is rather archetypal of all three pieces of these movements but in a perverse and comical way. the perfection of the anti-Lone Woman, sublime in the appropriate Decadence of our times, and poised to set us up the Great Fall due to her crippled tactical thinking.

yet the most beautiful thing is she also embodies the needs and desires for those who only see reality through perversion and distortion. and finally, it is their juvenile wish fulfillment granted that is their punishment -- what you covet is what condemns you. like i said before, beware the wrath of heaven, for its accuracy, precision, and patience is infinite. there are greater players involved and they do not take kindly to recent machinations of the dark -- but that never precluded an amusing sense of timing and appropriateness.

speaking of Lone Woman, Decadence, and Tower... i haven't done a major reading in a while. perhaps too early as we are merely transitioning through these current major year players, but it might be a useful exercise soon. nah, the world has enough to digest these next few years. no sense peeking just yet. besides, we all have our own work to do, right?
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:03 AM
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20. Where can we learn more about the transition?
I don't know what you are referring to as the transit through The Decadence that then transitions into the Tower.
Of course, I'd also like to know what follows the Tower.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 05:07 AM
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26. it's just my personal "sign o' the times" tarot reading
which coincides rather nicely with several major readings we've been hearing of of late. but i really don't attribute to my reading so much as just the universe speaking about global influencers for the recent large time blocks.

the Decadence is the current "sign of the times" age we are in, while we are also now moving into the Tower. the Decadence was Knight of Cups reversed and the Tower is the Tower we know from the tarot. this'll take a while, but it's been quite fascinating to see stuff play out.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 05:20 PM
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22. I pulled a couple of cards today to represent McCain and Palin. Guess what
came out? The Empress for her and the reverse King of Cups for McCain. It gave me chills.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 04:46 AM
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25. wow. now that is scary profound.
i would ask the details of the question or whether it was a general appeal to the wisdom of the tarot. it could show deeper ramifications. but reading is often personal, so sometimes sharing for a second reader doesn't reveal more. yet i'd love to hear your take. like i said, sounds scary profound in relation to my previous world age reading.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:15 PM
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28. I didn't do a reading as such but asked only for cards that would describe
the two candidates. This is what I pulled from the deck. I was going to use the cards as a focus for a reading for each of them, but they stopped me in my tracks and I haven't done it. I'm still trying to focus my energies into a calm and neutral state to do so.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:24 PM
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29. interesting
well you can interpret it as literal succession but it could also be that she would attempt to control him from the VP seat, playing on his emotional weaknesses. He might appear to let her have her way but as he really doesn't like "strong women" of any stripe they would clash. There's no way this combo would work well together. Big mistake.

Hoping Obama/Biden victory will just put an end to this very real fear of a McCain/Palin trainwreck.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:21 PM
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30. I pulled cards for who would win the election
got: The Tower, King of Cups, The Priestess

Asked how Obama can win this, and the answer I got seemed to indicate that if Clinton is given a prominent position, along with rumors or outright declaration, that she'll play an important part of Obama's administration, that would help.

my .02 - for what it's worth.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:47 PM
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32. The Tower
What do you think that means in this reading? It doesn't sound pretty.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:15 PM
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33. I'm not well versed in tarot by any means
but I was just (and I mean not five minutes ago) editing an article about tarot, and the author, a well-known tarot reader, addressed the Tower card (serendipity!) He said that although the Tower card used to always be interpreted as a disaster, it can also (and should be) interpreted as a big change, a shakeup, and can represent a "spiritual warrior". I like that! :D
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:18 PM
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34. That's more positive than I fthought
I'm glad I asked. I thought it might mean that people would have to take to the streets because of election fraud.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:23 PM
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35. It can also mean something like 9-11 or war.
And for that matter, I think the fundie right likes to think of themselves as 'spiritual warriors'.

Don't worry, I'm not putting a lot of faith in my reading. But I do have concerns. i think we have to work extra hard. On every level we can. The fundie 'spiritual warriors' are praying for a Palin win, (while at the same time some are praying for McCain's speedy death).They're praying for the media to bend to their agenda. That's a type of magic. I think it needs counter magic. And campaign donations. And volunteer work.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:33 PM
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36. Anytime I have done a throw about *,and The Tower shows
up, my first interpretation is 9-11 unless surrounding cards don't indicate that.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:18 PM
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37. Big change...
It's a change that shakes the very foundations and opens the way for something new. That can be pretty upsetting to the status quo. The "as is" crowd will certainly consider it a "disaster".
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 01:12 PM
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27. Considering how close to it is to Bush's end of term...
It's POSSIBLE that if we win this election, the Bush admin's many crimes are investigated, but barring that I think this prediction may have hit it's shelf life. At any rate, I doubt it's Palin.
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