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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:44 PM
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Rick DiClemente's June Starself Astrology Newsletter
Welcome to June. Boy, is this a happening month. As one client of mine once said, “I don’t know what’s banging into what, but I sure feel better.” Mercury goes forward this month as well as some huge lunations that will stir the pot. Pluto regresses back into Sagittarius, and Saturn and Uranus start their tête-à-tête. I hope you will find some clues in this newsletter because many people are wondering what these strange energies are that are floating about. If I can identify the planet that’s “triggering” these high gas prices, I’ll let you know. The fifth element is ether, right?

This is an active month - one in which to have some fun and get on with things. I wish you the best….

No No No...

I had a dear client of mine called me recently. She is undergoing a powerful Pluto transit of her Moon in Sagittarius. 2 people close to her have died in the past 2 years. From my experience, it is quite common to see deaths show up in 3’s during people’s Pluto transits. Another astrologer recently told her to get ready for the next death in her life. This kind of statement is improper, inaccurate, unscrupulous and cruel. An astrologer, psychic, or medium should never say such a thing to a client. It is not only irresponsible, but can program the client with a self-fulfilling prophecy. That astrologer should not be reading for people. Most times, it comes and goes, and no one dies.

Ringed Master - by Cheryl Crise

“I’m chained upon the face of time, feeling full of foolish rhyme. There ain’t no dark until something shines and I’m bound to leave this dark behind.” Townes Van Zandt

I do think about other planets sometimes, like the Sun! And Jupiter! But I am often preoccupied with Saturn’s matters when I travel between patient visits as a home health and hospice social worker. As the Saturnian experiences of debilitating illness, aging, dying and death become our more constant companions, we bring our unique, complex sets of strengths and weaknesses to the coping process. If Saturn has passed you by in your earlier years, stick around: he’s looking for you to share some serious, quality time. It is inevitable.

It can be heart-wrenching to watch some people express Saturn’s darker side by becoming depressed and fearful. Toward the ends of our lives, many of us clasp too tightly to either the good old days or to old angers and resentments. We often dwell on the negatives, or try to deny the changes happening to us. We can keep our thoughts and feelings bottled up inside.

Many of us who experience extreme Saturnian trials (relationships? money? health?) come out the other side with time to live in the wisdom and peace that can only be gained by going through what Keats called, “a vale of soul-making.” In “The Planets Within,” Thomas Moore, writes, “When the power of ordinary living to provide a sense of meaning and vitality fails, feelings of sadness and temptations toward withdrawal invade consciousness. This is a natural move of the psyche, a turn in the round of planets; for that sadness may be a call for deeper roots. . . .Saturn is not simply a troublesome planet to be avoided; with perseverance and endurance we may find in his dark, heavy, ambivalent moods a way through and beyond the shallowness of the present.” We can then gracefully incorporate Saturn’s more welcome aspects as we mature: depth, strength, authority, restraint, patience, endurance, and wisdom. These qualities contribute substance not only to our individual characters, but also to the character of society/civilization in which we live.

But getting older isn’t, for better or worse, only about Saturn. Archetypal psychologist James Hillman’s book, “The Force of Character and the Lasting Life” is necessarily imbued with the themes of Saturn’s nobility and ignominity. In this work on aging, Hillman illuminates how intensely and richly other planetary archetypes are, and have the potential to be, operative during times of illness, debility or old age--- times we often dismiss as being meaningless or wasted. Although he doesn’t name the planets specifically, Mercury the Trickster necessarily comes to mind in his chapter “Memory: Short-Term Loss, Long-Term Gain;” Venus is evoked in his poignant discussion of mature beauty in the chapter, “Anesthesia;” and Pluto courses through the chapter, “Erotics.” Through these and other examples Hillman expands and transforms the selective, limited and habitual assumptions we make about the physical, cognitive, emotional and spirit/soul aspects of aging.

Knowing the planetary transits that are significant for our present and future, I cannot help but think that our individual and collective fulfillment during the Pluto in Capricorn era, the Age of Aquarius and Eckhart Tolle’s New Earth will simultaneously create and depend greatly upon a transformation (Pluto) in the perceptions and roles of older people (Saturn). We require vital, seasoned and creative people to interpret and build upon the past, make sense of and stabilize the present, and envision and navigate toward the future.

My fifty-some year-old Aquarian heart is particularly invigorated by this challenge. I would be honored to accept the role of a wise, Saturnian elder if such a mantle is ever offered, but I must admit that I thrill to T.S. Eliot’s statement that, “Old men ought to be explorers”. In “The Force of Character:” Hillman responds to Eliot’s declaration in thusly: “I take this to mean: follow curiosity, inquire into important ideas, risk transgression.” How deliciously Uranian! We don’t always remember that Aquarius is ruled by Saturn (the stabilizer) and Uranus (the innovator). Therefore, the qualities of both of these planets figure simultaneously in the character, challenges and fruits of the emerging Age. We are all cohorts in the crucible of our time. Each of us, even and especially those of us who are older, are important ingredients in an alchemical process meant to synthesize the seemingly opposite energies of Saturn and Uranus into more conscious, evolved, Aquarian beings. As Eckhart Tolle summarizes in his momentous work, “A New Earth,” “A new species is arising on the planet. It is arising now, and you are it!”

The Planets Are Not Here to Hurt You

So many times my clients look at me with dread when thinking about the transiting planets. “How much longer will it last?” they exclaim. Planets are not to be avoided. They are not here to hurt you. They simply symbolize our inner energies that want to emerge. That is the key here. They will continue to be a thorn in our side as long as we don’t know how to deal with them or suppress them. They also will befriend us and benefit us if we learn to productively own and express their energies.

Saturn Opposite Uranus - Will It Be Integration and New Growth or More Knee-jerk Polarization?

Last year’s major planetary themes were dominated by Saturn’s continual opposition to Neptune and certainly by Pluto’s ingress into Capricorn. This year, the major new theme is the transit of Saturn through Virgo coming into direct opposition to Uranus in Pisces. And they will be exactly opposite the morning of the coming election, November 4th!

What does this mean, you ask? (My client’s favorite question.) Saturn represents our conservative part, or in the political body, the right wing. Uranus, on the other hand represents our liberal, freedom-seeking side. Contrary to what many TV pundits would have you believe, each side of us is necessary and the latter is certainly not a disease. What is necessary is that the two forces be balanced and integrated. We all need to know when to loosen up, let go, and try something new (Uranus.) In the opposite vein, we are all too good at tightening up, being conservative and NOT taking chances (Saturn.) The two need to be blended. Those two forces are going to “have it out” (transiting opposition) over the next 6 months and even well into 2009.

The problem is this: it has become all too easy to point the finger at the “other guy” as the blame. “He’s too right wing, too far right!” “She’s too left, too dang radical!” Both forces are necessary and I fear that the growing tension is causing a tremendous schism (started by Reagan and sustained by Limbaugh) and it has our national psyche teetering on a serious schizoid break.

It is clearly time for cooler heads to prevail. We all want the same things: happiness, fulfillment and security for our families, friends and communities. We need to hear each other’s points of view and work together to meld these powerful Saturnian and Uranian forces. Pluto’s new presence in Capricorn insists on it.

Saturn Through the Quadrants

In actuality, few things in astrology are really predictable as far as events in your life. Saturn’s passage through the 12 houses or 4 major sectors is, in fact, fairly predictable. It is important to understand just what Saturn is and what it isn’t. The ice-ringed planet’s main focus is to “make sure.” It is commonly not only unappreciated, but is demonized as the bummer planet, the party pooper, the restrictor, etc. Deeper understanding of its nature reveals that it is very careful and wants to make things manifest. It is the part of us that is responsible and duty bound. It wants to make sure that ideas get implemented. Most suffer from Saturnine energies due to over-concern, being over-controlling, or simply worrying too much. That’s why it is indirectly restrictive. And that’s why Saturn is so problematic: if you have been thinking negative thoughts - negative outcomes manifest – t’aint No SECRET! However, on the other hand, if you have been thinking great thoughts, the reverse happens and you get rewarded. You don’t hear about that part of Saturn.

Either way, let’s track its critical path through the major sectors of a chart, each taking about 7 years.

Note: An accurate birth time IS necessary in order to determine a person’s true rising degree, thus the start of house 1.

The passage of Saturn through the first quadrant (houses 1-3) is known as the “period of obscurity.” During this period, which generally last from 6 to 8 years, the person unconsciously rebuilds their personality. A common example of this is when you go to the movies and see an actor you haven’t seen in years. They have been in their period of obscurity. As this period comes to an end, the actor suddenly re-emerges, usually somewhat renewed. This period is usually divided into 3 two-year periods. The first is generally devoted to physical renewal; many people join gyms and put renewed focus on their diets. The middle two years are devoted to repairing or enhancing one’s self-worth - even financial worth. They want to anchor themselves materially. The final, or third stage has to do with mental development. The unconscious can sense that a new goal is forming and is preparing the mind for it.

The Self has been rebuilt now as Saturn enters the 2nd quadrant, or houses 4 through 6. A critical time happens just as Saturn enters the 4th house. Usually the person identifies what their new goal is, and this is huge. They have a new goal in mind that is usually symbolized by the sign on the cusp of the 10th house, or midheaven. They aspire towards that new goal. Their goal generally will culminate 14 years later. One can be successful during this time, of course, but not like the harvesting of the fruits of your labors that will be come about 14 years later. This period represents one of hard work, even struggle.

Next is phase III where Saturn transits houses 7-9 and your travails usually gets easier. Certainly, as Saturn enters the 7th house, relationship issues become paramount. Many folks marry then - others get divorced. As Saturn enters the 9th, almost always a person goes back to school – and I don’t care what age they are. The sign on the cusp of the 9th house usually indicates what subject they will study. Sometimes the schooling is done over the Internet, especially if Aquarius or Uranus is involved.

Even it it’s not the “Year of the Pig,” Saturn is now ready to bring home the bacon.

It is now entering the final quadrant: House 10. The Goat is alone at the top of the mountain now. The goal dreamt of 14 years earlier is usually attained at this time. Social and career recognition comes at this point and often, a promotion. It is very common at this time that people move more into an administrative or management role at work. The native usually enjoys happy rewards at the office place during the next two years. Passages through house 11 are also very propitious. The person usually focuses an octave above their career. For example, transits through the 10th can symbolize a doctor developing a successful practice. Then, when Saturn attains the 11th house, he or she gets more involved in a medical association, perhaps as a board member. It’s time to give back – The Water Bearer pouring its water.

A critical time occurs as Saturn makes its final pass of house 12. Usually, the person no longer feels the great obligation to their career. The work of the old Self is finished. It is time to let go of the old and learn from it. This stage is often overlooked in a society that doesn’t put much focus on learning from the past – it’s always “what have you done for me lately?” and full steam ahead. Many, many clients come to see me during this stage. They can sense that something is “wrong” and they don’t know what to do about it. They are usually relieved to find that nothing is wrong, per se - it’s just that an old cycle is coming to an end.

Then, we start all over again. An unenviable position comes as Saturn is crossing out of house 12 and into house 1. Now, the soul usually finds itself at the “Start/Finish” line of 28-year cycle. The Old is gone; the New hasn’t even started, and they can feel somewhat as if they are in never-never-land. Now, we reenter the period of obscurity once again, and round and round we go.

It never fails to impress me how consistently accurate this cycle is. In order to scope out your particular passages, you will need to know the degree of your rising sign, or Ascendant, and your midheaven (preferably all 12 of your houses.) Then, by going to www.astro.com, you’ll be able to gauge when Saturn transited those points. Remember, it takes Saturn 28 years to complete one cycle. Or, you can hire a competent professional astrologer and have it outlined.

HOW TO GET OUT OF JURY DUTY

I was called to jury duty recently. When I was interviewed by the lawyers for a case, I had listed my occupation as “counselor.” When they asked me what type of counselor I was, I told them I was a full-time astrologer. They asked me if I would let the planets affect my trial decision, I told them, “No.”

So, they selected me anyway.

I should have told them that I’d only acquit someone when Neptune was going backwards. Dang.

<snip>

For the complete newsletter, see: www.starself.com/newsletter30.html
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:01 AM
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1. Thanks Rick. A really interesting read.
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 02:01 AM by Dover
A couple of things are interesting to me about the interpretations I've read about Saturn/Uranus election day transit. The first is that no one seems to mention that the opposition will be curbed by Jupiter in Cap. Or perhaps it could be seen as arbitrator between the opposing energies. Might also be the sign of a lone maverick, or a repub/dem on the same ticket, or
some other new arrangement. Changing rules or legal issues that require mediation. Police intervention, etc. Just another energy to add to the equation.

Also, depending on which side of the political aisle one stands on, the neocons might see themselves as the Uranian energy in that opposition ... radicals who are trying to break down what they consider the status quo and all the regulations, trade barriers and inefficiencies, etc., that they feel are holding back a plan for globalization they have in mind. I think corporations certainly see themselves that way as well. On the left side of the aisle you have those who support Constitutional freedoms of the individual and equality which seems to go along with stronger government intervention, checks and balances and a continuing national system of united states.
Who is the conservative, who the liberal? Does planetary energy make such distinctions? Certainly one can look at the breaking up of our government under Bushco as Uranian in many respects as well as Plutonian. Any coup or overthrow would be representative of Uranian and/or Plutonian energy. Even some conservatives on the right have issues with the neocon approach because it's too radical. I'm sure there are also dictators who have Uranus or Aquarius prominent in their charts. There are also people in all political parties who would fall into the conservative (Saturnian) category while others would fall into the progressive or liberal category(Uranian) which can be a point of friction within these party groups as well as points of contention between parties. It's very complex, this discussion of Saturn and Uranus energies. Anyone who has them in conflict in their own charts knows how alive and in conflict these archetypes can be within each of us. Hanging on, letting go. Fear vs. risk, structure vs. unstructured, authority control vs. personal choice, etc.

So my point is that as in nature, there is no duality present per se, no opposition that exists within a vacuum. It is simply energy and impersonal. We apply the value to it. So, continuing change and transformation we WILL have, regardless at whose hand. The energy is available to everyone, and how it manifests is up to us, individually and collectively.

The Sabian symbol for the 18 Cap. degree that Jupiter will be at Nov. 4 might provide a clue:

The Union Jack Flag Flies From A British War Ship
The protection afforded to individuals and groups by powerful institutions in charge of maintaining order.

The symbol reflects conditions prevailing in the past when Great Britain's fleet was policing the seas under the international principle of the freedom of the seas. Times have changed, but the concept remains valid. Power is required to maintain social order and relatively peaceful interpersonal as well as international relationships. Alas, this poer can easily be misused under the pretext of preserving "law and order". Justice and compassion must balance social power, and especially the power of priveleged groups. Where this symbol appears, the need for protection may be in evidence - or it may be a warning against using power for selfish advantage.

It brings to us a realization of the ambivalence of political power, its value and dangers.


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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:16 AM
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4. Many good points Dover
it will be very complex... I hope we learn from it and grow up some, collecively speaking.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:19 AM
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7. Rick, what are your own thoughts about Jupiter's influence on the Sat./Ur. opposition?
Of course there are other planetary influences that day as well, but the opposition is obviously the strongest among them. And Juptiter's influence on them is within one degree.
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:50 AM
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12. I think you found something there.
Yes, I think Jupiter will mitigate much of the stress of Saturn-Uranus. Who knows? I always see Jupiter as a protective Guardian Angel type of force. I think it will somehow ease (and hide) the tension of Sat-Ura. Nevertheless, make no mistake, it is conservative Saturn opp. radical Uranus. And in a "healthy personality", these two are still a job at blending. In an already existing strained and polarized political landscape, well, that's another story.

Still, the two need to clash; we'll know much more one year later, after all the retrograde periods, etc. People-Saturns never fail to amaze me. Never know how much one can suppress life and plain old common sense when one pines for security and status quo, Saturn. It will fail over and over and over and yet, conservatives will vote for "safety". They fail to see the safety of adaption and growth. I can only hope Jupiter can help the old guard to loosen up enough to get the destructive, idiot, Rep. party out of office. Let's hope.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:43 AM
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16. Yes I hope Jupiter is our Guardian Angel come November.
Of course our interpretation of Jupiter's justice is also up for debate depending on who is wielding it and why, who it protects and who it prosecutes. In other words, the law, and those sworn to uphold it are human. That Sabian symbol points to the ambivalence of even well-intentioned intervention, so it will be interesting to see how this Jupiter energy manifests.

Good point about the retrograde periods which will continue to unfold its meaning for us.

In my view Saturnian types (and of course we all have some Saturnian influence in our charts) emphasize order and control because they fear chaos above all else. Saturn is mythologically, among other things, the Father of Time. And that's a perfect example of Saturnian attempts to apply structure and control over what appears to be chaos (the timeless realm). Chaos has an underlying order that we simply can't yet perceive. Kind of like the blind man and the elephant. So I see Saturn as the gate keeper of the timeless collective realms represented by the outer planets. When we discover that the safety, solidity, order and control are an illusion and that matter (Saturn) itself is far from inert and is in fact in constant states of change (or adaptation as you said), then perhaps we'll be able to let go of our fears and especially the fear of death which our illusions have led us to believe is the end of material life. Uranus threatens to break up that illusion when it faces off with Saturn. "You see, silly Saturn!", it says. "Even when I knock down all your carefully built blocks, 'something' survives it and is recycled back into source. This 'something'..this formless energy...cannot be destroyed!". It's like the lightening hitting the Tower in the Tarot card series.

People consider Neptune the planet of illusion. I think it's perhaps Saturn, with Neptune representative of the vast reality which we, from our limited experience, interpret as chaos.
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:51 PM
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20. Neptune reality, Saturn illusion
you wrote: People consider Neptune the planet of illusion. I think it's perhaps Saturn, with Neptune representative of the vast reality which we, from our limited experience, interpret as chaos.

I think that's REALLY insightful.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 02:30 AM
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21. Saturn is 'consensus reality',
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 02:51 AM by Dover
As a Capricorn, thought you might find Robert Hand's explanation of Saturn of interest (excerpt from his book, Horoscope Symbols). Interesting to note that Saturn is ALSO considered a ruler of Uranus:


...The truly serious problem of Saturn lies in the ideal of reality itself: namely, the equation of reality with truth. Reality seems immutable, orderly, and eternal. Yet life is so short that we cannot see whether or not at some fundamental level the rules of the game are slowly changing. But they may be. What we with our limited perspective think of as reality is not necessarily truth.
Nevertheless, we need this reality: the experience of living in a universe where everything is in flux, where no rule can be counted on, or where an understanding of yesterday provides no clue for understanding tomorrow, would be enough to send most of us to the madhouse. We depend on a reality system for support, and even if we are at times unfamiliar with its rules, we are grateful for its existence.
Reality is structure, and so is Saturn. Reality is limitation, and so is Saturn, for everything is as much defined by what it is not as by what it is. If I took a chair and said ”Let the essence of this chair fill this room,” and it were to do so, we would lose the ability to perceive the chair. The chair is defined both by the fact that it occupies whatever space it occupies, and the fact that it does not occupy whatever space it does not occupy. Reality is created by a process of exclusion, of eliminating other possible realities. This aspect of exclusion is one of Saturn's most important attributes.
The existence of reality as we have described it is not the problem, however. The problem is our addiction to reality. I believe that there are many possible realities and that the world we share is only one of them. Even if you do not agree, it is obvious that within this reality there are many situations where it is possible to define reality in several ways.
Yet we cannot live with this: we create realities where there are none, simply for the sake of having structure. We exalt belief systems to the level of reality and then persecute others who do not share them. And even more important for ourselves as individuals, we needlessly limit our lives and our growth by excluding possibilities that might bring new life.
This is why aging is ruled by Saturn. As we get older we actualize more and more and thus have less and less potential. We run the risk of rigidity and premature death. Death ultimately can be understood as the time when all is actualized (at least in this life) and there is no more potential. One can come very close to this state without actually undergoing physical death. This is the real and very serious danger of Saturn.
Structure becomes rigidity, discipline becomes narrowness, order becomes a straitjacket, and too much patterning kills spontaneity. On another level, an individual's conformity to the consensus of any particular time in history comes to limit, define, and ultimately to strangle that person's creative potential. And this creative potential is the only hope for the future progress of culture. Every time we do what is untrue to our nature, acting not from a real necessity but rather to fulfill what others may expect of us, we commit a crime against ourselves that is peculiarly Saturnine. We move a bit more toward death, more of our potential becomes actual, and what is actual does not express what we are.
Like all energies, Saturn energy has its time and place. But, because Saturn issues are so central to social existence, we are likely to apply Saturn principles to situations where they are inappropriate. Being mature and able to accept responsibility is Saturnine; so is being guilt-ridden about one's inadequacies. Having a clearly defined image of who and what one is is Saturnine; but so is being so isolated from others that one cannot relate successfully. Alienation and one's sense of having a separate self are the same energy in different degrees in different situations. Knowing one's limitations is Saturnine; so is settling for too little in life. Being realistic is Saturnine; but so is compromising one's integrity and denying one's self-expression for fear of seeing what is really possible in the world.
As the planetary embodiment of the forces that shape our lives and give them form in the context of a social universe, Saturn is strongly connected to the symbolism of the father. Indeed, Saturn's symbolism is most clearly seen in myths about father-gods. The closest mythological representation of Saturn is not the Saturn-Kronos of Greco-Roman myth, but the Yahweh-Jehovah of the most ancient parts of the Old Testament. This god hands down commandments and demands obedience to them. He is just and righteous in a peculiarly rigid way that lacks mercy: to this god, obeying the letter of the law is more important than acting in gentleness or peace.
A strong Saturn often indicates a particularly powerful experience of the father principle (sometimes, but not necessarily, embodied in one's biological father). This father principle is experienced in all situations that call for learning a discipline, growing into a social role, or learning the rules. So are teachers and guide figures, and often one's boss or employer.
Saturn tends to focus one's concern on areas of life that need work - not only in the natal chart, but also as Saturn transits and progresses through the natal chart after birth, highlighting various areas of the chart and forcing growth in those directions. Many of the major crises of adulthood are represented at least in part by Saturn transits. These are times when one has to make decisions and pass up one path in favor of another. In this way Saturn energies actualize our lives and at the same time limit future possibilities. Such a process is necessary, though it can have dangerous consequences.
Saturn only deals with normal, day-to-day kinds of consciousness. It cannot anticipate the unprecedented, nor can it deal with the energies through which new life and creative powers enter the universe. If Saturn is too strong, it will even deny the emergence of such energies. Herein lies another of the deadlier attributes of Saturn. It is the function of the next planet in the solar system, Uranus, to create disruptions in the orderly world of Saturn so that creative energies can flow.

”Horoscope Symbols” by Robert Hand
published by Whitford Press

http://www.communitas-saturni.de/English_Home/Saturn_Views/body_saturn_views.html



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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:59 AM
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11. Nice catch, re: the Sabian Symbol. nt
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:45 AM
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17. Thanks. It does offer an interesting element to consider about what might come down Nov. 4..n/t
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:51 AM
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2. "That astrologer should not be reading for people."
It's nice to see a practitioner of this much-maligned art issue an ethics "reality check" in this forum. Having now had encounters with a really bad astrologer or two, I can tell you that some folks in this world need to learn how to work with people as well as their forecasts. Bad astrologers can do a lot of damage.
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:17 AM
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5. Exactly Blue
I have to be SO careful... and it's so hard to do. There are so many flippant astrologers saying so many cavalier things. And people remember what you say and twist it to make it worse.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:26 AM
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3. Ha! I haven't read the whole thing yet, but I'm cracking up about...
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 05:28 AM by I Have A Dream
the jury duty excuse. That would sooooooo work! You could also have said that you really needed to see the person's birth information to see if he/she was guilty and that you didn't need to hear any stinking evidence! :rofl:

Thanks, Rick! :)

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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:19 AM
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6. And I couldn't believe...
that they allowed the GREAT BIG defendant to sit 5 feet away from me during the process. I should have said that "if he's a _______(enter chosen Sunsign)___________ he MUST be guilty". See where that would have gotten me. Heck, the victims never showed up and the whole thing was postponed. The guy had allegedly pulled a gun on his child.... etc.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 02:02 AM
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9. on his child?
definitely should have gotten his info - would be an interesting deliberation. :)

but - I guess you have served and are done?
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:54 AM
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13. Yes, he was a BMF
real big, I didn't get the details... they kept calling the victim, "John Doe", being a minor. I think he hit his child with the gun and then threatened to shoot or so. Anyhow, understandably, the victims failed to show so the trial was postponed. I am done, they'll choose another jury when they resume. 2 wasted days. The fella juror next to me, a psychotherapist said to me, "Look at the broad effects of just one pain body." How true.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:08 PM
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8. I enjoyed this newsletter so much. Thanks, Rick! nt
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:55 AM
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14. Thanks TTLG
I enjoy it and am so glad to have Cheryl's additions, she's pretty awesome!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 02:35 AM
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10. thank you, I learned a lot.
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 02:40 AM by rumpel
Saturn in my birth chart sits on the cusp of my IC in Sag. Somehow, I always felt of Saturn to be like my father - authoritative, stern, a little bit of fear and respect and yet with a shy warmths to him. So when Saturn is mentioned in my chart - I would think: Oh, oh, what did I do this time?

When I started reading the quadrants - I could have sworn I have been in cloak mode for the past 7 years - but it is in the 12th within earshot of my natal Pluto.
Now I feel that I have to quickly attain something as it must have passed me by - rather: I have passed it by.

Come to think of it, perhaps there were two simultaneous goals, of which one of them I never thought of to be something I wanted to do, but rather had to do due to circumstances and my personality - that is in fact coming to an end. I always thought of that aspect of my life to be an obstacle to my other "real" goal.
It seems - it was all in divine order after all.

Very interesting - thanks for the insight, and also the encouraging words for those of us who are starting to get AARP membership solicitations in the mail. :)
and recently hearing aid ads - Why? Drooping eyelids yes - but not hearing aids...
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 08:57 AM
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15. Yeh Rump, I know what you mean.
AARP here we come. I got the basics of the Saturn cycle from Marc Robertson, 25 years ago and it proves itself over and over again client after client. People are especially relieved when it goes thru the 12th to find that to be the reason they don't feel as inspired.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:39 PM
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18. Pluto conjunct natal Moon
Rick,
I saw you referenced that transit in your newsletter. Both Blue Iris and I have the transit currently. Any words of wisdom for us? It's nice to know it does not mean death in the family.
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ricochetastroman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:47 PM
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19. Hi SOS
Nice to hear from you. Well, I could go on for hours about Pluto Moon. It's a very complex story. Mainly, it's an emotional death and rebirth. My son just went thru lots of suffering over it. His parents divorced, he "lost his home," went away to college. Got heavily involved with the wrong woman for 3 years, etc. When he finally crashed, which he did... he came to terms with his codependency issues and worked thru them. So, he's fine now.

One does NOT have to suffer if one lets go of the past. It's really that simple. You KNOW what you need to let go of and during NONPLUTO times, you can get away with continuing to hold on to the old. Not when Pluto is around. It SENSES what you need free of and the unconscious also knows. Getting the conscious to play along is another story. However, almost everyone does big time house cleaning - throwing away tons of old stuff; symbolic of dumping old baggage.

The more you do that, the better. The more you hold on, the worse. Your POWER arrives, your passion, during Pluto moon. You must own it and not cower from it. You also will most likely need to go thru all of this by yourself; PL tends to alienate people, all because it knows you can do it alone. It is time for bravery and old issues resurface demanding closure.

Tis not a simple subject. Also, big time renovations are quite common too. As I said, it is quite common to see a trio of deaths in the family. BUT, I have seen most of the time, this doesn't happen.

I hope this helps you. I plan on adding 4 new entries to a new series coming soon in the newsletter. How to deal with Pluto transits, also Neptune, Uranus, and Saturn.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:17 PM
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22. No one's died for me, yet. Actually, it hasn't done much for me.
The third pass of Pluto trine natal Mars on the other hand...

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