Astrology: Mommy Dearest, Kissin' Cousins,&The Royal Family

[Pallas180]

MOMMY DEAREST, KISSIN’ COUSINS, AND THE ROYAL FAMILY
by Pallas18

After a 35 year love affair Prince Charles has announced his intention and the date of his marriage to Camilla Shand Parker-Bowles. Upon his announcement, his mother , Queen Elizabeth II announced she, and her husband Prince Philip would not be attending the wedding. Not attending the wedding of your eldest son who
is to follow you as King of England? What kind of mother is this?

Actually, Queen Elizabeth was not known for her motherly skills, and in fact when Charles was a boy, she was roundly criticized by the British Press for going off to live with her husband in Malta during his military duty, leaving Charles in the care of Nannys from the time he was in swaddling clothes.

Now you might think that Queen Elizabeth was showing her displeasure as head of the Anglican Church that her divorced son was marrying a divorced woman whom he had committed adultery with during both of their marriages to other people.

We find ourselves wondering why this would upset the Queen when in fact Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and created the Anglican church so that he could divorce and re-marry. The Anglican church was established in 1534 by Henry VIII because the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope refused to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon so that he could marry Anne Boleyn, who was
already pregnant with their first child Princess Elizabeth. Divorce and adultery would seem quite a stretch for an excuse not to attend your son’s wedding.


Queen Elizabeth II was born Apr 21, 1926 at 2:40 AM, London, England
Chart :

Camilla Shand Parker-Bowles was born on July 17, 1947, 7 AM, London, England


Charles was born Nov 14, 1948, 9:14 PM, London, England
Chart here: charles

Camilla’s Saturn/Pluto is conjunct the Queen’s Moon. As the saying goes, there’s definitely no love lost there, yet the aspect shows a karmic connection. The Queen’s 10th house Saturn at 24 Scorpio is quincunx Camilla’s 23 Gemini Uranus falling in the 5th house of love affairs. Saturn is ancestry, and in the Queen’s 10th and 5th house, it’s genealogy for all to see.

There’s a famous story that when Camilla met Prince Charles in 1970, she propositioned him saying, "My great-grandmother was your
great-great-grandfather's mistress so how about it?"

That started a three year love affair between Charles and Camilla. Charles wanted to marry Camilla but the Queen would not allow it; the reason given was that she was not a virgin. Charles went off to Navy duty without making a commitment to Camilla, so she married a friend of Charles’, Parker-Bowles, and made Charles godfather to one of her children. An odd occurrence in view of the following history.

There’s more to that story than is being told. Camilla’s great grandmother, Mrs. Alice Keppell was the last in a long line of mistresses another Prince of Wales (1898) indulged in. Great Grandmother Alice’s relationship continued even after the married Prince became King Edward VII in 1901. Great Grandmother Alice
even had a semi-official title: Royal Escort to the King, and was even summoned to his bed by relatives as he lay dying.

Saturn in Scorpio is in the Queen’s 10th house for all to see. Yet Saturn (which rules the Queen’s first house} especially in Scorpio can be very secretive. What kind of secrets could they be? Ah the secret of her roots; her forefathers and ancestry!

The Queen has a couple of juicy secrets about Royal ancestry of the
Hanover-Windsors. One of them is that Queen Elizabeth is descendant of both African and Asian bloodlines, most notably from Queen Charlotte who was directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa, a black branch of the Portuguese Royal House. Queen Charlotte was unmistakably of African heritage as can be seen in her portraits. Apparently at the time of Elizabeth II’s coronation, this heritage was questioned and an“apologia” was published by the Royal Household defending her position as head of the Commonwealth in view of both her Asian and African bloodlines. (America's current president and his family claim relation and ancestry to Queen Elizabeth).

Another well-known “secret” is that King Edward VII is the father of Mrs. Alice Keppel’s illegitimate child, Sonia Keppel, grandmother of Camilla. In genealogy charts for the English Royal family, in the ever polite British euphemistic phrasing is listed : WINDSOR, Albert Edward VII "Bertie" “Other marriages- “He married Alice Frederica EDMONSTONE Mistress “– “Not Officially Married.” “ Children: Sonia Rosemary Keppel born 24 May 1900, died 16 Aug 1986.”

You have to envision a 21 year old Charles telling Mommy Dearest he wanted to marry Camilla and Mommy Dearest envisioning a royal wedding with the illegitimate grandmother, still alive, an illegitimate aunt to herself, the Queen ,in attendance at the wedding.

Some say Charles and Camilla are second cousins and some say second cousins “by half removed”.

In any case, it was and is a situation completely intolerable to Elizabeth. Even though Charles has promised Camilla will never be Queen, legally and in reality if Charles does become King, which is doubtful, Camilla will be Queen. Doubtful because the Queen can be quite vindictive and cutting with an Aquarium Mars/Jupiter squaring Saturn in Scorpio. The relationship between Charles and Mommy Dearest has never been good. Somehow he has always managed to upset her and vice versa. His relationship to her forever has been rebellion with his natal 29 degree Jupiter-Sag/Uranus in Gemini opposition, squaring her 27 Pisces Uranus, a battle of willfulness and rebellion between both.

Yet it’s Camilla who has the last revenge and the last laugh for her grandmother and great-grandmother. Historically there has been intermarriage among the royal family for centuries, diluting the genes, but one reason for the intermarriage was to keep the wealth of the royals within the royal family. Queen Elizabeth’s Part of Fortune at 9 Libra is conjunct Camilla’s Neptune 8 Libra. Camilla will inherit Elizabeth’s riches- and legally at that.

What does Camilla have that Charles wanted so badly he defied his mother the Queen and what was it he couldn’t get from a perfectly lovely wife? Six placements in nurturing Cancer. Camilla’s E.A., Moon, Venus, P.O.F, Mercury, Sun all fall in Charles 12th house. He gets the mothering and nourishment and caring from Camilla he never got from his own Mother in his early formative years. His secret emptiness is being filled. This is not the wild sexual attraction people have made of it. It’s comfort and nurture for Charles, and
with Camilla’s Jupiter on Charles Sun, she makes him happy and makes him feel light, instead of a walking wound. (His natal Sun is conjunct Chiron.)

Their marriage will take place on April 9 2005 at about 11:00 AM in London, England, a day after the eclipse and still on Mercury retrograde. The Eclipse hits the Sun at 19 Aries in the 10th house of this marriage together with Venus, the North Node and the Moon. Jupiter opposes the Sun and the afore named planets, and Saturn in the first house of the marriage chart at 20 Cancer is the same
degree as Queen Elizabeth’s South Node in her first house. Elizabeth’s karmic debt is coming for payment, and in some way this marriage is going to free Charles from the ties that have bound him. Saturn is square the marriage Sun, Venus, the North Node and the Moon lending stability to the marriage. It doesn’t look like there will be crowds of people or lots of warmth being showered on
this couple, but they’ll be just as happy in their own private world , having a happy home, with Jupiter in their 4th house no matter how much the South Node there also will cost them of family relationships.


Pallas
© 2005

[tanyev]

1. Very interesting.

I had never heard the bit about the "illegitimate" grandmother still being alive at the time Charles wanted to marry Camilla. That makes perfect sense as being the real deal-breaker.

[Pallas180]

2. I always say

google is the best thing ever invented (next to chocolate) :)

If you click on the King Edward "Bertie" it gives the birthdates and more of many royals.

Thanks for your interest tanyev.

[Pallas180]

3. By the way, hats. Did anyone notice the hats the English ladies

wear?

The most outrageous things I think - back in the 40's and 50's or at the turn of the century (19th to the 20th I mean) they wore those
gargantuan big hats the size of umbrellas.

Wow. you have to wonder why they stick with that style some 60 years out of date in the rest of the world.

[LiberalEsto]

9. That head thing she wore at her wedding

looked like the wing of a dead turkey sticking out of her hair. For all anyone knows, it WAS a dead turkey's wing. And her outfit looked like a dressy bathrobe.

Honestly, couldn't she have done a little better than that? At least wear a normal-looking hat.

[Matilda]

4. Could the 10th house Saturn hide another secret?

The secret of the birth of the late Queen Elizabeth, the Queen
Mother. She was the daughter of the Earl and Countess of Strathmore,
and the announcement of her birth said she was born at the family's
country home at St Paul's Waldenbury, Hertfordshire. However, at
the time, London society was well aware that the Countess was not
in Hertfordshire, but in London. The family then admitted that the
baby had been born in London, but they simply preferred to register
it at the family seat in St Paul's Waldenbury.

That gave rise to rumours at the time that the mother was actually
a servant of the Bowes-Lyon family, not the Countess. It's also
a fact that no birth time was ever recorded for the baby, a most
unusual occurrence in aristocratic families. I had some
correspondence on this subject with Lois Rodden (if anybody could
ferret out a birth time, she could), but although she had access to
people who knew the Queen Mother, they came up with nothing. She
simply always smiled and refused to discuss it.

So there you are - it may be true, it may not be. But I was very
interested when you mentioned the secrets of the 10th house Saturn.
Who knows - perhaps the Queen of England is descended from a servant
girl?

[dbt]

5. "And they lived happily ever after?"

Well done, Pallas, what a great read your post is! Once again, real life just beats the whiz out of anything Hollywood could make up!

[Pallas180]

6. LOL, Thanks dbt and Matilda - in researching the

genealogy of the Royals, it's so interspersed with intermarraige, cousins, and mistresses and illegitimates - that it's sort of reminds me of a Waldo puzzle. :) !

Matilda, if you have follow up on whose who and who really doesn't belong to whom, by all means follow up....

One rather large obstacle is the British way of covering with euphemisms...You really have to search and read carefully to discover
"Other marriages"- "not legally married". wha?

Does anyone have an explanation for that one?

[Eloriel]

7. Numerology

Curiously enough, I remember some years ago -- before Diana was dead and possibly even before she and Charles broke up -- a numerologist saying that Camilla gave Charles MOTHERING, and that's what he needed and couldn't get from Diana.

With all that Cancer, she can't help but be motherly. All she needed was the right "child" to all it. I don't like that 12th House flavor -- secrets and all -- but it certainly makes sense given her affair with Charles while he was still married to Diana. LOL -- look at that, he actually finds her exciting, too, in the placement of her Uranus tying in tightlywith his Jupiter+Mars / Uranus opposition.

[Pallas180]

8. Thanks Eloriel, I

was concentrating on Charles/Mommie Dearest reactions...but now that you mentioned Camilla's Uranus provoking Charles' Mars/Uranus, it intensifies and adds to Charles and now Camilla's square to Queen's Uranus.

Provoking. Hmmmm. The power behind: Camilla. Sounds like they have some further surprises and upsets for Mommie Dearest.

I didn't go into the sexaul aspects, but there is something kinky (Mars/Saturn) about the sex between the two...and you're absolutely right...Camilla makes him quite randy - but with her Mars at 11 Gemini which doesn't do that much in his chart, I don't think she feels the same way, do you?

And notice the Mars square Venus = Jealousy between Camilla and Queen.

And the South Nodes, especially of the marriage chart - that's an entire article in itself.

Looks like this is going to be another soap opera of treachery and machinations added to the history of the British royals.

If the Queen lived 500 years ago, the two might be in the tower...or the Queen might suddenly take "sick" from food poisoning...
something tells me there's going to be a lot of manipulating and maneuvering.

I suppose we should really look at Elizabeth's chart and Charles' to see if he will ever be king...but one thing I know: Queen is very vindictive and it appears to me she'll try to stop him from being King.

Maybe the charts can tell us whose going to win, with Camilla as the new factor.

[Pallas180]

10. One of the British reporters

said today that Queen stayed about a minute at the reception and then
left to go back to her apartment to see the rest of the horse race, which apparently is equal to our Kentucky derby.

Charming.

She gave them a wedding they'll never forget.

Or forgive.

[emcguffie]

11. I was lurking --

I've been thinking about asking which astrologer among you was really good with Chiron, and having a consultation.

Maybe next month. But I have natal Chiron right smack on my sun, and I am chronically ill, so I thought maybe someone could provide some insight.

Who among you likes to interpret Chiron?

[Pallas180]

12. emcguffie - astrologers are still finding out what Chiron means-

the original interpretation and still accepted by many is that Chiron is the wounded healer.

But as we see it working in charts it absolutely doesn't make sense.

Wherever we see Chiron being transited in a chart we see a wounding or a wound re-opened...