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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:03 PM
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"Love thine enemies"
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 02:05 PM by stellanoir
Since Arabic languages are far more multi leveled and somewhat more poetic than Greek, Latin, German, and English, I've long been intrigued by the scholars who are fluent in Hebrew and Aramaic who translate the verses directly into English.

The etymology they present is really quite fascinating.

The Aramaic root of the word "enemies" is a "tangled knot." Karmic or what. . .?

The Aramaic root of the word "evil" means "unripe."

That suggests something that requires more sunlight (aka consciousness), nourishment, water (aka emotional support), and time (patience), though I've heard no one else elucidate it as such, but most metaphysicians don't live on farms. That perspective sure beats all the tiresomely unenlightened dualistic shadow projection that is bandied about so much these days.

This belief is supported in this video. . .

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/19529-michael-moore-cut-this-scene-from-sicko-because-no-one-would-believe-it

"Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth" translated directly becomes "Blessed are those who soften their hearts (emotional rigidity) because they are open to the full powers of nature."

"Love thine enemies" was translated by Neal Douglas-Klotz. http://www.abwoon.com/ He was a guest on the visionary activist show recently. http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=24231 It's well worth a listen.

The host is a colleague of mine and she described his interpretation as "a vast instruction manual of great mystery."

"Love thine enemies" = "Love your enemies. From a hidden place, unite with your enemies from the inside. Fill the inner void. That makes them swell outwardly and fall out of rhythm, instead of progressing step by step. They stop and start harshly out of time. Bring yourself back into rhythm within. Find the moment that meets with theirs', like two lovers creating life from the dust. Do this work in secret. This kind of love creates. It does not emote."

This sort of approach is reinforced in Jungian psychology and Buddhism and here as well.

http://www.zerolimits.info/

That translation reminded me of this other one that I found many years ago though I don't have a clue of who translated it. I like it better than the one on Douglas-Klotz's site. I've posted this before but I thought some might require a refresher. . .


Lord’s Prayer*

"Oh heavenly source of all radiance

Soften the ground of our being and carve out a space within us where your Presence can abide.

Fill us with your creativity so that we may be empowered to bear the fruit of your mission.

Let each of our actions bear fruit in accordance with our desire.

Endow us with the wisdom to produce and share what each being needs to grow and flourish.

Untie the tangled threads of destiny that bind us as we release others from the entanglement of past mistakes.

Protect us from being seduced by that which would divert us from our true purpose, but illuminate the redemptive opportunities of each passing moment.

For you are the ground and the fruitful vision, the creative power and fulfillment, as all is gathered and made whole once again."

*Translated directly from Aramaic to English instead of the traditional translation from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English

Again, I relentlessly post this.

http://www.sedonadigitalarts.com/html/video_previews.html

This ought to inspire a total conversion experience. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBfNsPDw1I&feature=related

Or if that doesn't this truly will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPFQ4kor3I4&feature=related

Yikes.






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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:02 PM
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1. Very nice! Thanks, stella!
This is very important to keep in mind; I appreciate the reminder. :)

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:16 PM
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2. Thanks, I knew I could count on you darling to respond
I thought it was profound.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:55 AM
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3. Stella, I wanted to say at least 3 things
but I am having a hard time remembering what they were. Unfortunately due to Lot and his rumored tit pinching I can only say, bravo and thank you for the laughs.

Oh yes the Lords prayer, very good, I do like Klotz.

:hug:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:25 AM
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4. "Lot and his rumored tit pinching"?!!
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 06:31 AM by I Have A Dream
:rofl:

(I've got to look that one up! :D)


(On edit: Ummm... I can't believe the links Google gave me for that search. :blush: :rofl:)

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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:10 AM
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5. Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPFQ4kor3I4&feature=rela...

It's almost at the beginning, Stella had linked it. :rofl: :hug:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:17 AM
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6. I hadn't had a chance to check out all og her links yet so...
thanks, OB! (I usually read links while on my exercise bike in the morning, like now. I'm typing right now with 1 finger on one hand.)

Off I go to check out the links!

:hi:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:53 AM
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7. I did a search for this thread ...
Edited on Fri Jun-27-08 01:02 AM by votesomemore
I hope to share it (the prayer).

If there is a simple answer, what is the difference in Arabic and Aramaic? Is Arabic more inclusive of various languages?

Another question .. it has been a long time since I studied the translations. Were the Aramaic texts translated to Greek, for the most part? .. never mind .. reading the OP thoroughly helps.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 02:01 AM
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8. thanks, stella
I remember you posting this subject before and being fascinated.
Many things gets lost or misrepresented in translation, and interpretation is only as good as the interpreter can get into the original person's state of mind. Add those in-betweens - oh boy - you're in trouble.

:)


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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:30 AM
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9. Thanks for the wise words, stella. If more people understood them, there'd be less war.

Great post. :hi: :hug:
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:11 AM
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10. Namaste, Stella.
This is absolutely beautiful, thank you for sharing.:hi: :hug:

Hugs to all of you...:grouphug:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:26 AM
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11. Blast from the past LOL
Does anyone remember what the second you tube link linked to. . ?

I can't recall and now it links to a slew of videos that don't look at all familiar.

Weird.


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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 02:52 PM
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12. Soften our hearts should be the July prayer.
It is a beautiful thought and a healthy way to live. So why does it seem so difficult at times?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 01:41 AM
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13. I've a guilty pleasure or maybe. . . more like a few.
One of them is reading a boatload of channellings every day to counter balance all the political dreck I read. Less than 20% of the spiritual stuff really resonates with me on a deep level.

But one thing they all mostly say frequently is to open our hearts to the energies which are now available and allegedly will be crescendoing throughout July.

I can feel that potential. I feel that to be true.

Not sure I'm there yet but I totally and certainly concur about the importance of that oft repeated reference.

Thanks midnight.

Truly appreciate your appreciation of that quotation.


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