Homoeopathic study finds water has no 'memory'

[Dover]

Homoeopathic study finds water has no 'memory'
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
(Filed: 10/03/2005)

Evidence that the underlying rationale of homoeopathic medicine is wrong is published today by a team that has studied one of the most complex fluids on the planet - water - to reveal why it can give rise to life.

As the name homoeopathy implies, "like cures like", which is why hallucinogenic toadstools supposedly treat twitching. Another homoeopathic idea is that "the most effective dose is the minimum dose" and there are claims that, after many dilutions of an active ingredient, the water can still "remember" this ingredient.

Today, a team of researchers from the University of Toronto and the Max Born Institute in Berlin reports in the journal Nature that the constantly fluctuating three-dimensional structure of liquid water loses its memory of how molecules are arranged relative to each other much faster than has been assumed so far. Scientists attribute liquid water's many unusual properties - such as ice being relatively less dense - to the fact that its molecules are bound together by weak interactions called hydrogen bonds, resulting in a loosely interconnected network.

Homoeopaths have been encouraged by the thought that if the interactions were sufficiently strong and long-lasting, water might "remember" a structural arrangement.

Although it has long been proved incorrect, this argument is still put forward to explain why homeopathic remedies can be effective: even if solutions are so diluted that no active molecules are present, the water in the solution is supposed to "remember" the perturbation of its structure from when the molecules were initially present, before dilution....cont'd

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[Nancy Waterman]

1. As long a they try and discuss energy medicine using scientific

concepts, they will fail. No one knows why they work, but they do. There is some kind of energy transfer, but it is on an etheric level, and science bases its study on the physical plane. We know so little of the etheric body, what earlier centuries called the vital force, that we can't really describe the "mechanism" with whch an etheric medicine will work..

[Dover]

3. I don't know much about homeopathy, so am glad to get a response

that explains the thinking/knowledge behind it. Never heard it called an etheric medicine before. Just assumed it was based on some scientific principles. But your reply makes sense to me. I've always considered water magical on some level beyond it's immediate physical properties. We are such children when it comes to our understanding of the etheric body, energy medicine....and esoteric mechanisms for healing. But the ancients understood this and often built their temples in close proximity (or right on top of) a spring or other water source. It's always been used in spiritual 'cleansing' as well.

I don't know the history and origins of homeopathy, but I seem to recall reading that the Greeks, who believed in 'dream healing' under Aesclepius the wounded healer ,(which lasted for a thousand years) incorporated similar principles of 'like cures like'.

[Quakerfriend]

9. My great, great grandfather, Hering, was the "Father of Homeo

pathy in America". He was an extraordinary man!

At the age of 26 he graduated from med school in Dresden and took a job for the King of Saxony. His first assignment was to disprove this 'nonsense' called homeopathy that Hahnemann was promoting all around the country.

When grandfather realized how well homeopathy worked he gave up all chance for any monetary security to devote his life to this type of medicine. Despite ridicule from fellow colleagues, he raved about the potentials for healing thru homeopathy.

This angered the King who decided to send him away to the jungles of Suriname to direct an expedition in Zoology and Botany. He wanted to get him out of the country!

Upon his arrival, my grandfather set about 'proving' all of the remedies he could find in the jungles of Suriname. The King was furious and told him to stop practicing med immediately, and return to Germany at once. He refused and stayed on in Suriname for 6 more years, learning all that he could.

He eventually came to Philadelphia and founded Hahnemann hospital in the name of his great teacher. There were more than 200 homeopathic colleges in the US before the formation of the AMA, at which time Frank Rockefeller (not a medical man), stepped in and shut them down.

Having worked in clinical med for many years, I always poo poohed homeopathy, until I was sick myself. Funny, how life gives you the things you most need to learn and grow. Only when RIDDLED with cancer was I willing to 'take a look' at homeopathy. Despite all advice, I decided against chemo and radiation and went by the Law of Cure written by my grandfather, and fundamental to homeopathy. My boys were 2 and 5 so, it was a huge decision. But, in just five weeks my cancer was gone, and my belief in homeopathy was confirmed! And, that was more than 7 yrs ago.

What a way to learn, eh?!

The energy that connects us all is truly amazing...When my first son was born I told my husband that he could choose the name. He chose the name, Galen, without knowing that Galen was a famous Greek philosopher, turned physician, who based his surgeries on dreams.

Grandfather Hering's motto was "The force of gentleness is great"

[Dover]

10. WOW!! That is a remarkable story!

Sounds like it would make for a great book too. Great courage seems to run in your family.

And your grandfather's book must be an invaluable resource. Have you since taken up a serious study of homeopathy? What sort of homeopathic cure did you use to cure your Cancer?


Ah yes..."the force of gentleness". I learned this firsthand when experiencing Feldenchrais for the first time. Such small, almost imperceptible yet highly focused movement creates huge shifts.
I was one of those people that thought that if I wasn't sweating bullets then nothing was happening. Now I know the opposite is true.
When you are in the 'flow' all things become natural and easy.

[Eloriel]

12. You should do a thread on Feldenkrais

I'd like to hear more about it.

[Dover]

20. Good idea. I'll do that ASAP.

But it's really something that must be experienced to truly get it, and no particular knowledge of it or preparation is required to enjoy it's benefits.
I didn't know anything about it when I first went to a small class other than what a friend had told me...that it was good for flexibility and chronic motor skills problems. It was much more than that. So I was really REALLY surprised to experience it....very unexpected. I thought I was going to take flight.

[Quakerfriend]

14. Hi Dover!

;) Funny you should mention it...My sister, who is in the movie business, has written a screen play about Dr. Hering's life! She should hear within the next couple of days as to whether or not she has won an award for it from the Philadelphia Film Festival. She plans to use the $ to go forward with a movie! We are all praying and sending out positive vibes for this to come about, if it is meant to be. :* :* O8)

When I went about the difficult task of telling my family about my cancer I learned (for the first time!!) that my mother had had breast cancer in her early 40's, as well. She too had received homeopathic Txs (Iscador is the remedy) from an MD in Lancaster, PA, at the time. Mom is now 76 and still going strong!

My mother only took Iscador for her cancer. I used Iscador briefly and then continue on with Gerson Therapy which relies mostly on drinking large quantities of fresh juices (13 cups/day)- and essentially giving every cell in the body a bath. Restoring the chi, so to speak.

But, 'The Law of Cure' says that healing will occur in the reverse order in which symptoms naturally occur. So, in homeopathy we look for a 'healing crisis' to occur to signal that healing is occurring.
Well my juicing brought about many a healing crisis as I got well!
For example, I had Raynard's in two of my fingers for more than 20 years...nothing but a mild annoyance in the cold weather. During my healing I experienced a very bold 'rash' over that part of my hand for several weeks. Then the Raynard's was gone, and has never returned!

Now, I study homeopathy for lay purposes. It has been very helpful in avoiding pharmaceuticals, in general. My boys, now 9 and 12 have never gone to the ped'n for anything other than routine check ups, and neither have had any antibiotics or other meds.

In fact, several yrs ago at a routine check up the pediatrician said, "Your boys charts are so thin...you haven't needed to come to the office for much!" So, I decided to tell her my secret, and said, "To tell you the truth I use homeopathics with them." Well, her jaw dropped and she said "I don't believe it... I just started studying to become a homeopath" We've become great friends ever since. She left her pediatric practice last yr to practice homeopathy full time.

I have found that there is great value in homeopathy though it may not always provide everything that is needed. And, the remedies always work best when used early on in the condition.

My oldest son probably would have been diagnosed with asthma and severe allergies at the age of 5, and now at 12 he only suffers from VERY mild allergies (temporarily itchy throat) to some foods. He once had a severe allergic reaction to poison ivy, 2x each year...looked like he had elephant mans disease. Now he can wade in it and never gets more than 2-3 small bubbles.

My youngest had ~20-30% hearing deficit associated with vaccinations and allergies at age 4, and now at age 9 his hearing is completely normal.

Anyway, I feel that homeopathy is a Godsend in my life!



;)

[Dover]

17. A MOVIE......that's great news! Keep us posted.

I hope your sister included the connection to your life/illness.
It's that modern day connection with you and how his knowledge gets passed down to your mother and then to you that gives it more immediate relevance and intrigue imo. And you all share the same kind of courage in your willingness to explore the unknown and go with your instincts/intuition.
I will keep my fingers crossed for your sister's success.

I'm not familiar with Iscador....actually don't have a clue what it is, but would like to learn more. Is that recommended for most breast cancer patients or is it determined on a person by person basis?

My best friend has Raynauds in her fingers too (also a mild case). She says she just ignores it because there is really nothing to take. Just has to keep her hands warm. Was it the juicing what cured it along with the cancer? If so maybe I should find out more about the ingredients so I can recommend it.

At any rate a fascinating story that seems to continue to be passed along the generations in your family. I wonder if your grandfather had any idea that his life would effect so many?

[Quakerfriend]

22. Ha! You are so funny! No, I am not in the movie in any way.

The current version is all about the life of Constantine Hering.

It is truly interesting though how the 'energy' continue within a family for many generations and in many forms. And, how those we meet along the way in life relate to our own energy.

I think that grandfather Hering has been helping us along the way in getting this film together, as we have recently found an old daguerreotype photo of him and some other books that we did no know existed, among some family things.

I felt that my cancer cure came thru the juicing, and not the homeopathy. However, I learned to recognize the 'Law of Cure' that is basic to homeopathy as a result of the effects of the juicing. Juicing, like homeopathy, allows symptoms to 'come out', as compared to allopathic medicines which are generally designed only to suppress symptoms.

I took 8 glasses of carrot and apple (Granny Smith is best) and 4 glasses of greens (any type- but, dandelion, parsley OR collards are most delicious, IMO) and apple, daily. Gerson Therapy uses this regimen for ALL cancers. For ailments other than cancer, the regimen can be reduced to 6 Cups (4 carrot and 2 green jc) daily.

The Norman Walker "Fresh Veg and Fruit Juices" book is the best for juices for different ailments. He specifies the exact amounts of different ingredients, as well. However, some of his combinations are pretty nasty tasting! But, have seen great success with this book, too.

Juicing is tough to get started with but, I believe it can cure almost anything!

[DemExpat]

18. My family and pets are also drug-free with Homeopathy - over 10 years

now.

I won't list the healing that it has sparked, but I find it a miracle in our lives as well, Quakerfriend.

I did have my children vaccinated, I see that you did as well.

We also use our GP for consultations and diagnosis when we are unsure of the problem. For my cervical cancer 14 years ago I opted for conization by the gynecologist, not Homeopathy, and a few months ago my son had emergency surgery for testicular torsion!

So I try to use medical care wisely, and am very happy with the choices and care that we have access to.

But Homeopathy is my dear friend now.....a kooky, alternative one at that! :D

:hi:

DemEx

[Nancy Waterman]

25. Was it Dr Williamson in Lancaster?

I saw him once a long long time ago at a conference of some sort. He combined Asthroposophical medicine with homeopathy. But he was a far better homeopath than many anthroposophical doctors. Iscador is an anthroposophical remedy. It is homeopathically prepared mistletoe. I think they choose which mistletoe (which kind of tree it is on) depending on where the cancer is. Mistletoe is a parasite like cancer. The idea is that its action is similar to cancer so they potentize it and use it to treat cancer.

[Desertrose]

30. Gee, I had friends who went to him when I lived back in PA

I had forgotten all about Dr Williamson. He was in the Sabian circle as I recall. Gosh...that has been a long time since I thought about those days.

Is it Hal Williamson?

....small world......

[Quakerfriend]

33. His name was Dr. Henry Williams. Is this who you are

thinking of? He passed away just last year.

Your knowledge never ceases to amaze me, Nancy!:eyes:

I've never heard of asthroposophical medicine. Maybe that explains why Iscador is only given by injection...??

[DemExpat]

36. My medical GP (now retired:-() here was Anthroposophically trained....

based on works and philosophy of Rudolf Steiner (also of the Waldorf schools world-wide).

Some of the remedies are the same as in Classical Homeopathy, but some are different- he prescribed diluted meteorite (!) (I have long forgotten the name) for my son's chronic sinus infections when he was in middle school - after a few months his years-long misery ended and has not ever returned, and he is now almost 21.

DemEx

[Desertrose]

39. Yes, that its... Henry Williams

I had quite a few friends in my metaphysical circle go to him. This was back in the mid-late 80's. Quite a few belonged to the Sabian Assembly there in town.
Looks like they are having their gathering there this year!

http://www.sabian.org/


I am sorry to hear he passed away. Have lost touch with a lot of my PA roots since my Mom passed away three years ago.

:hi: Quakerfriend....wonder if we know some of the same people:)

[Nancy Waterman]

40. Yes, it is the same Dr. Williamson

He was very well known and very respected.

Anthroposophical medicine uses homeopathy and other indications from Rudolf Steiner, the founder of anthroposophy. I don't know the details of what they use exactly. I know there are various herbal concoctions, etc. But during the little experience I had with them, many of them used several homeopathic remedies at once, which is counter to classical homeopathy. The classical method uses one at a time, unless you are using a low-dose combination remedy (because you aren't sure which one remedy really fits the symptom picture). Finding the exact correct remedy is the hard part of homeopathy, and this is where many fail with it. The wrong remedy does nothing.

[Nancy Waterman]

24. Quakerfriend - How amazing your gr. gr grandfather was Herring!!

I have heard him quoted and probably have some of his books. He is indeed very famous and prominent in homeopathic circles!! One of the top couple of names along with Hahneman. Isn't he famous for Herring's Law of Cure, which, if I remember correctly says that cure proceeds from the deepest level and moves out to the most superficial. And likewise, if you suppress the superficial (like a skin problem) you create a deeper problem. I don't know if I am remebering this correctly. It has been a while since I focused intensively on homeopathy.

May I ask what remedy you used at the time you were ill?

Dover - You might want to get a book called Vibrational Medicine by Dr. Richard Gerber. He mentions homeopathy and other "energy medicines" like acupuncture, cranial sacral, flower remedies, faith healing, and some other things. He says they are all part of a new paradigm in healing that is based more on Einstein (energy and matter are interchangable) then on Newton (mechaniistic view of the Universe). He thinks the current medicine we have is more based on Newton and sees the body as a machine where you fix the parts that are broken.

[Quakerfriend]

26. Hi Nancy! You have described Hering's Law of Cure

better than I could!

I used the homeopathic remedy Iscador, used for treating breast cancer. This is the same remedy used by Suzann Summers (? sp).

But, I eventually switched over entirely to Gerson Therapy which was developed in the early 1840s by Dr. Max Gerson.

[Dover]

28. Why did you switch?

I did a google on Gerson Therapy and it looks nearly impossible to do realistically unless you check yourself into a clinic or retreat center someplace for a period of time and have them prepare all those juices/meals for you. Intensive and expensive (the price of the juicers were over $2000).

Did you really have to drink something every HOUR for 13 hours? It just sounds like every waking minute would have to be dedicated to preparation. How long were you on this program?

I can understand why that flood of nutrients would have a positive effect but seems like you might die trying to stick to this regimen!

[Quakerfriend]

32. I went with Gerson because I felt most comfortable

with it, and thought it gave me the best odds. I had done nutritional research at UPenn for many years, and so it made a lot of sense to me. And, at the time I was still new to homeopathy.

Gerson had an unusually high success rate with pancreatic cancer and multiple myeloma- both notoriously deadly. And, I was intrigued by this.

Luckily for me, it was during the Clinton years and we had plenty of money at the time. I flew to San Diego and the Gerson folks picked me up and drove me across the boarder to Hospital Meridian in Tijuana, Mexico where only Gerson Therapy was done. The moment I walked in the door a cup of fresh juice was put in my hand. And, yes I drank 1 cup every hour for 13 hrs/day! The 'healing crisis' began within 24 hrs!!

There were people there from all over the world- Australia, Colombia, Greece, England and of course the US. It's funny because we all became fast friends partly because the food was so, shall we say, limited.

All of the staff (from medical drs to nurses to cleaning people) were just lovely. Having worked in hospitals for years I was amazed at the contrast. In Mexico, compassion and caring are still alive!
I stayed for one week, and the total cost was $8,000, plus another 2000 for the Norwalk juicer.

Anyway, I knew when I got home that I would have to find a way to do this. I had stopped working and had never gone thru the awful treatments most go thru with cancer. I was still very capable, physically, thank God. So, I was simply in a race to beat the clock. And, I was highly motivated because of my young kids.

And, after spending all that money I was determined to do it, too!
I did two things to save myself time. I did not make any of the Gerson recipes. I followed their dietary rules without cooking. This saved a lot of time. I also made the juices in the am and pm, not hourly, and stored them in vacuum sealed jelly jars.

I washed all produce for juicing the night before. Juicing took 2 hours/day. I really had to cut myself off socially for the first 6 months, as it was too difficult to resist going out to eat, for example. This was the hardest part.

I did the the therapy for 2 years, and now continue to try to drink 6 glasses of juice/day. Of course it was all worth it in the end. But, I don't recommend Gerson Therapy to others because compliance is very difficult.

[Dover]

41. Well... we can add strength and persistence to your list of admirable

qualities. You really overcame some very VERY tough hurdles!
What an ordeal.

You are AMAZING and a shining light of hope and strength and self possession! Thanks so much for sharing your story.

[Dover]

27. Thanks, I'll look into it. Yes, this is an area I really need to learn

more about, and that book sounds like a good one.

[DemExpat]

7. Well said, Nancy.

DemEx

[Desertrose]

8. Thank you Nancy...I was thinking the exact same thing....

I agree...it is a way of healing by first working on etheric levels and then "down" into the physical....all illnesses begin on other levels before the physical, not the other way around so it always made sense to work energetically first.

We are so much more than our physical bodies and we have yet to devise ways to measure/detect these other "bodies"...I feel homeopathy is one of these tools we have been gifted to work on things "unseen".

All of our different energy bodies are quite sensitive and don't always need a nice chemical cocktail...sometimes less is better.....:)

Interesting article Dover, but I'm not really surprised that nothing was detected by scientific methods.

[Cha]

21. I know it works for me..

I've just recently gotten into homeopathy and the tissue salts..big time. And however it happens it does the trick for me so well. I love them!

I read something on DU about how homeopathy was really coming into its own because of Pluto returning to where it was in Sag when Hahnemann discovered his cures.

http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/samuel_hahnemann.html

Dude sure lived a long time..

http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/homeopathy_1755_1799.html

[loudsue]

2. Dover, I have read that the water is not what is creating the active agent

in homeopathic medicines. There was a study done by some Korean (IIRC) scientists last year, and what they found made sense to me.

You know how, when you put a goldfish in water, it will grow in size relative to the size of the bowl, tank or pond it is put in? It won't grow to any type of infinite size, but it will grow relative to the size of the place it inhabits.

They found that homeopathic molecules were doing the same thing. The dilutions, apparently, created a bigger "pond" for the actual molecule to expand in, making the molecule, itself, larger (and more potent as a remedy) with each dilution, up to a certain point.
__________________

I just searched for the article, and I can't find it right now. For some reason, I'm thinking it was here in the Astrology/Health Forum that I read about it!

Does anyone else remember it?

:kick::kick::kick:

[Dover]

4. So you're saying that the water is simply the 'environment' ...

well that makes sense too.

[loudsue]

5. Yes -- sort of the innocent bystander....

affecting the ability of the molecule to grow, only by the water's ability to be more of itself, and not interacting or interfering with the molecule's ability to expand....just, passively, providing it a bigger "pond".

:kick:

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[greenman3610]

11. they still have to deal with the studies that say homeopathy works

there have been several (pretty embarrassing to doctors)
studies in the last few years showing statistically
significant effects....

[Quakerfriend]

15. Wow, loudsue

I'd love to read that article!

[Eloriel]

13. There's a book entitled "Vibrational Medicine" which

addresses this and many other energy medicines. It's quite good. I forget the author offhand, but it's a classic and I think recently in a new ediction, so it's not hard to find.

[Desertrose]

29. yes...its by Dr Richard Gerber

Vibrational Medicine by Dr. Richard Gerber

An incredible starting point as I was learning about energy healing and vibrational medicine. With extensive medical background, Dr. Gerber expands the outlook of modern medicine to include combining ancient wisdom of vibrational healing with new science.

available on Amazon-
Review excerpt

"What I love most about VIBRATIONAL MEDICINE is the way so many experimental details are included for the scientific studies it cites. It's easy to gain a big picture overview of how scientific research is steadily progressing in the field of subtle energies. I also love the way that VIBRATIONAL MEDICINE strikes an easy balance between sharing ancient esoteric spiritual teachings, newer vibrational therapies, and scientific research. Some of the most recent developments in vibrational medicine, such as homeopathy, flower essences, and sound healing have deep roots in the past, at the same time as they offer us a welcome array of new options on the road to better health. Readers who are intrigued and open-minded to studying all these areas will find this book an absolute must-read."

This book was a great help to me...also very helpful is "Hands of Light" by Barbara Brennan

[loudsue]

31. Wow! Here's an article from an LBN thread....

O8) I hope we can find a homeopathic, or natural, remedy for this:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12516173%5E23289,00.html

<snip>

"LIFE was nasty, brutish and short when waves of plague swept across Europe right up to the 18th century.

Scientific research now suggests, however, that the terrible suffering of those generations means a significant proportion of modern Europeans are now resistant to AIDS. A study by two British biologists published in the Journal of Medical Genetics suggests about 10per cent of Europeans have this protection as a direct result of the series of plagues that swept across the continent from the Middle Ages onwards.

Biologists have known for some time that people carrying a genetic mutation known as CCR5-delta32 remain free of the deadly disease. The mutation prevents the human immunodeficiency virus from entering the cells of the immune system."

<snip>

"Professor Duncan and Dr Scott, authors of The Return of the Black Death, published last year, insist these plagues were not bubonic, but epidemics of viral haemorrhagic fever that used the CCR5 receptor as the "entry port" into the immune system.

These lethal haemorrhagic fevers - whose modern version is Ebola fever - are believed to have occurred as far back as antiquity."

I have felt for many years (since I was a child, actually) that homeopathy, and natural medicine, would eventually help many of us, one day, survive some nasty germs/viruses/plagues.

There is a woman named Machelle Small Wright who works with Nature Spirits to formulate flower essences. Her annual "flu" remedy is so awesome! Why anyone would go get a flu shot is beyond me, with a remedy like hers available! If me, or my family, starts coming down with any type of flu bug, I just administer a dose of Wright's flu remedy, and her Immunte System remedy, and there's just NO FLU!

She, in her writings, argues against homeopathy (which I still use, and rely on regularly! ) , but her flower essences are absolutely awesome in their ability to fix your body in the way the essence is intended!

I know several people here are familiar with her, because we've brought it up in years past. But, for those who might be interested, here is a link to her web site. I recommend starting with her book "Behaving as if The God In All Of Life Mattered". I own, and have read, all of her publications, and as well, own, and have used all of her essences.

http://www.perelandra-ltd.com/AB1473/index.cfm?&did=8

And, for all the gardeners here, THAT (in the garden) is where she started it all.

There's a place for ALL of it....yes, even allopathy. But I always rely on homeopathy, herbs, and flower essences FIRST, and they usually do the trick to knock out a problem BEFORE it becomes a serious problem.

I wonder how many of us will be ready if there IS a major, world-wide epidemic, a PANDEMIC, as many have been predicting. I, for one, have a complete pharmacy of homeopathic remedies, herbs, flower essences, and vitamins at my home. I add new ones as I hear about them.

As a result of this thread, I think I'll start looking into juices, as well!

Thanks for all the great information on this thread to all who have contributed! This thread is a keeper!!

:grouphug:

:kick:

[Desertrose]

38. I've used her Flower essences for years, too....

I love her Rose Essences. I also like the thought & energy behind the Perelandra gardens.:hug:

I agree and have been told for a long time that Flower Essences will get humankind through a lot of what is to come.

:hi:Loudsue...why am I not surprised to find out you've used these too:hug: :loveya:

[Quakerfriend]

16. Has anyone here ever made their own dilutions?

I've never tried it myself. But, would love to hear about any experiences you all have had.

[Matariki]

19. has anyone had *any* results with homeopathy?

i never have. to the extent that i've filed it under 'wishful thinking'. i mean no offense to anyone - that's just been my experience with homeopathic remedies. no good results with herbal remedies either. on the other had i've had good result with staight up energy healing.

[Cha]

23. See post # 21!

I'm glad you've seen some results from "straight up energy healing"..

We're all so different that what works for one may not work for another.

I have healed tremendously with the tissue salts and homeopathic remedies that I have self-prescribed. Someday I will go to a real Homepathic Doctor and I would imagine I could get even better results.

Here's a link to the tissue salts that I mentioned..

snips~
How to use tissue salts
Dr Schuessler identified 12 vital mineral - or tissue - salts essential for normal body function at a cellular level. He determined that imbalance in one or more of these salts led to specific health problems and diseases, but that balance could be restored by taking the necessary mineral element.

Tissue salts are taken in minute doses in the form of tablets, which are moulded rather than compressed so they can be dissolved under the tongue and quickly absorbed into the bloodstream. They are prepared according to the homeopathic method of trituration (repeated mixing of the mineral salt with lactose in successive dilutions). However, biochemic remedies are distinct from homeopathic ones in that they're homogenous (the same as) and are used to directly replace deficiencies in the cells, rather than heterogenous (diverse) and based on the 'law of similarity' and used to cure indirectly.

Tissue salts are generally taken in a 6x potency with a dosage of four tablets for adults and two tablets for children taken three times a day until the condition is cured. In acute cases, the remedy can be taken every half an hour until relief is obtained.

They may be taken individually or in combinations of usually two or three tissue salts. They can either be taken at the same time or in rotation (one after the other at different times of the day; eg, one type at breakfast and another at lunchtime). Alternatively, the most clearly indicated tissue salt can be taken first and then others can be taken once the work of the first seems to be complete (that is, symptoms are relieved).


More at..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_living/complementary_medicine/remedies_tissue.shtml

[DemExpat]

34. See post nr. 18

I have had some good results with self-medication with Homeopathy, better with prescribed Anthroposophic meds from my Anthroposophic GP here, but the best came when I decided to consult a Classic Homeopath 5 years ago. Not every remedy we tried helped, but some did spectacularly for life-long health problems.

Herbs give me relief and help too for some things.

I agree with others here who say some healing methods appeal more than others to people, and seem to be more effectice.

DemEx

[Quakerfriend]

35. Good Morning, Dem Expat!

Don't you just love this time of the day?:hi:

I'd love to hear about some of your stories of healing, if you'd care to share them. ...I'm especially curious about your use of homeopathics with the pets.

[DemExpat]

37. Hi, friend,

I have to study today and go to a birthday party tonight, so will be most happy to relate some of our successes later on....

:hi:

DemEx

[LWolf]

42. Yes and yes.

I've also had good results with energy healing.

These days, when I have an issue, I automatically go to alternatives; in my experience, they get the job done, while traditional western medicine tests, treats symptoms, tests, treats symptoms, in a never-ending cycle that never addresses the source of the problem.

[nuxvomica]

46. I've had a few

Note that these aren't specifics for the conditions mentioned (except for the arnica) but were based on a casetaking of the "totality of symptoms" by a classical homeopath.:
Nat Mur -- One dose taken for chronic -- once or twice a month -- migraines. Produced my worst and longest migraine ever but afterward I went for two years without another.
Arnica Montana -- Severe back spasm after lifting a heavy weight. Pain was getting worse making me nauseous and I took AM 30X as a last ditch effort before going to the ER. Thirty minutes later I was on DU and had pretty much forgotten about the pain. Back still felt weak the next day so my homeopath had me "complete the cure" with a 200C dose, which cleared up the sense of weakness.
Lycopodium -- Constantly itching chronic eczema related to a seafood allergy plagued me for two years. One dose of Lyc stopped the itching immediately but it came back later. A two-week-long course of LM potency water dilutions ended with a slight aggravation of the condition so I stopped it. Two weeks later, the eczema, to my surprise, was gone.
I have other examples but these were the most striking to me. I make no claims about homeoapthy for others but I know it has worked for me and I don't care if science isn't advanced enough yet to validate it. :-)

[nuxvomica]

45. I once made a "rough" remedy for a dog's ear infection

I was over at my parents' house one day and my sister was visiting with her chocolate lab who had a chronic ear infection. The poor animal was shaking her head almost constantly. My sister asked me if there was anything I could do to help her temporarily before she went to the vet. I had read in a vet homeopathy manual that capsacin was a good remedy but there was no chance I could get any anytime soon. I thought, WTH I'll make a remedy using tap water and cayenne pepper. Not ideal conditions but I figured I couldn't do the dog any harm so I added a pinch of cayenne to a bottle of tap water, succussed it 10 times, then diluted it by a 10th and repeated 5 more times. What I wound up with was roughly a 6X solution. I gave it to the dog and her head shaking stopped for the rest of the day but came back the next day. I was happy the dog got some relief for a short time but I can't really claim it was the remedy. This was just a low-risk, minimal effort stab in the dark so it was worth trying.

[KittyWampus]

43. Nature Has NO Credibility On This Issue. They Participated In A

character assination against a well respected research scientist named Benveniste who PROVED that the underlying basis for homeopathy does exist.

AND he had the result replicated by other labs.

Nature published his article and the Science Fundies and Corporate interests did whatever was necessary to make it appear Benveniste's work has been "debunked".

This included repeating the experiment in front of the phoney debunker Randi.

Randi ADMITS he used slight of hand during the experiment.

By the way, very recently MORE labs have producted related results as Benveniste and their work published in the journal Inflammation Research.

"It is tragic that it has taken 16 years to vindicate the controversial discoveries of Dr Jacques Benveniste - and in the very week that he has died.

Dr Benveniste scientifically proved the basis of homeopathy in a series of experiments with water, which were published in Nature in 1988. Thereafter the medical establishment pilloried him, research funding was taken away, and his very promising career in science was ended. Television magician James Randi visited Benveniste's laboratories but, not surprisingly perhaps, was unable to verify his discovery.

But scientists, rather than celebrities, have finally proved his findings. Four independent laboratories, in Ireland, Italy, France and the Netherlands, have discovered that effects can occur below the level at which any molecule of the substance is present.

Sadly, their findings were published in the week that Dr Benveniste died following heart surgery.

(Source: Inflammation Research, 2004; 53: 181-8).

* The work of Dr Jacques Benveniste, and his struggle against the prevailing establishment, is outlined in Lynne McTaggart's inspiring book The Field. To order your copy, click on this link: http://www.wddty.co.uk/thefield/about_book.asp

[Quakerfriend]

44. Great info, cryingshame!

Thanks for the link to The Field, too.:headbang:

You might enjoy Reinventing Medicine, By Larry Dossey, MD.