She told them boy was dead

[Celebration]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/489771p-412369c.html

Montel Williams' psychic pal Sylvia Browne told the family of missing Shawn Hornbeck he was dead shortly after the Missouri boy vanished - and later allegedly offered to help locate his body for $700 per half hour.

The popular TV clairvoyant appeared on the "Montel Williams Show" in February 2003, four months after Shawn disappeared, and told Pam and Craig Akers she believed their son was "no longer with us."

She also advised that his body could be found in a wooded area 20 miles from their Richwoods, Mo., home, near two large jagged boulders.

I realize that psychics can be wrong, but this REALLY ticks me off. I don't think the family of a missing child should be told by a psychic that the kid is dead. It is one thing to tell the cops that, but quite another to tell the family. I actually love the TV show Psychic Detectives and not once have I seen a psychic telling a family member that their loved one is dead. Oh sure they tell them where to search for clues and so forth, and it could be a body. But this is just pure nonsense--really, really CRUEL.

But I never have been much of a Sylvia Browne fan. I look at her predictions and they just don't seem to come true. I bet I could guess and have her record. The woman named Nancy in Psychic Detectives (Court TV) seems like the real deal to me. She is very careful with the families, too.

[davsand]

1. I think it is the money aspect that bothers me so.

Yes, you do have a responsibility to inflict no harm, but I will also say that the kind of questions you get sometimes as a reader of any kind don't always leave you a lot of lee-way. Sometimes the people you read for really don't WANT you to sugar coat stuff either.

I've always had a difficult time dealing with some of the more negative aspects of the entire dating / love relationship question. It is really difficult to tactfully tell somebody that the current beau is probably not the best match for them without sounding like either a harpy or else some mystic sage. How do you tactfully tell somebody that most likely "Mr. Right" is gonna turn out to be a lying dawg?

Short answer: You don't.

You can suggest to them that maybe they will want to consider the idea that there is maybe some deception in that relationship and then you leave it at that. They have to sort it out--all you can do is offer some insight and maybe some guidance.

I honestly can't imagine even trying to read for a parent in that situation you are talking about. I'd probably DO it if asked, but it would be in private and it sure as heck wouldn't be for any cash. This may sound odd, but I honestly have always felt that whatever small gifts I have been given are just that--GIFTS. I have a really hard time feeling any connection to the "readings for lots of money" crowd who would charge a parent at a time like that.

I will also say that I stopped reading for the general public, in part, because I did see too many out there that were absolute fakes and predators. Usually, those folks were the same ones who were all worked up about the cash and the fancy display or ritual--but the readings were just pure crap. Yes, there ARE people who charge a lot and if they have the ability and the high reputation--then that is up to them I guess. I just don't GET how the others manage do it too.

The hacks, predators and fakes, I think, deserve a special sort of derision and scorn.

Wow. Poor kid, poor family, poor community...


Laura

[Celebration]

2. never had a good feeling about her but

she does deny the money part. Not sure at all that I believe her. She exercised incredibly poor judgment. Thank God she was so WRONG about this.

It sounds like you handle your readings exactly right. If your specialty is relationships that is probably what you are best at and should stick with that.

I can read health things at a distance fairly well but I doubt if I would trust relationship advice from myself. LOL. Probably best to go to a specialist. I only do friends and family too.

If people are great at being psychics I suppose it is okay to earn a lot of money at it. But Sylvia acted totally irresponsibly and I have definitely heard her obfuscate on things in the past. I think she goes with the odds rather than some kind of "knowing." John Edward probably makes a lot of money but I don't get the same vibes from him at all. He isn't always right and he admits mistakes, but most importantly, he seems to act responsibly in communicating with clients.

[hippiechick]

3. I get a bad vibe from Sylvia ....

... she's grim, sometimes insulting, carries herself with a 'false air' of know-it-all-ness...

If she is clairvoyant, I would tend to think the folks on the other side that she talks to, aren't "the good guys".


:hide:

[BlueIris]

4. Interesting.

No, seriously, that's a very interesting insight. You know, I've never once gotten a "bad" air about her...kinda makes me wonder what that says about me.

[Why Syzygy]

47. All I know

is I couldn't finish reading one of her books I purchased. It wasn't the right message for me.

[Grateful for Hope]

5. This thread is making me feel better about my views of her

I have never liked her and have never trusted her predictions. I always felt she was more interested in money and fame than she was in helping people -- which I believe is the most important use of a psychic gift.

There is nothing wrong, IMHO, in making money to support oneself using the gifts we have, but, I also believe that anything more than this is an abuse of these gifts.

Of course, in Sylvia's case, I also have not believed her predictions so, to me, there is a very real question about her "gift".


On edit: Corrected a typo

[davsand]

8. "Making money to support oneself " is probably not $700 per hour.

I have accepted money for readings back when I still would read for strangers, but I will honestly say I never cared much one way or the other about what they paid me. To be fair, however, it was not my main method of providing income, either. I was working a regular job and the Psychic Fairs and stuff were just something I did.

I have also done readings in return for services. I used to read for my Chiropractor in return for an adjustment, I used to read for the guy that mowed my yard. I always felt pretty ok with that because I do think that anything for "free" every time can be taken too lightly. (The question of, "If you won't listen to me than WHY are we doing this?" probably sums that up pretty well...)

I have known legitimate readers who were struggling to make it, and absolute scam artists, IMO, who were making a lot of cash.

One of the BEST readers (a palmist) I have ever known was a retired teacher named Betty who lived in a tiny little house with about a dozen cats. She had to have been about a million years old (at least to my 20 something eyes at that time...) That poor widow lady was probably living on cat food, but she never charged ANYBODY more than fifteen dollars. EVER.

It is kind of tough to think about Betty and all she did for people when I consider that another lady was here in town who did the whole "You have the curse of the evil eye on you and I can lift it for you if you bring me $(insert dollar amount here,)" schtick. I always wondered if that dollar amount ever bore any resemblance to the amount of her rent or power bills.

Like Betty, the scam artist is gone too. However she left town in the middle of the night with (this is the story anyhow) the police ready to arrest her.

Betty passed at home with the cats and her daughter right there with her.

I always kind of figured that Betty probably had it figured out long before many of us ever do. I agree with you that it is possible to abuse our gifts, and I think there is always the possibility of it happening if we take them for granted or get greedy.


Laura

[I Have A Dream]

9. Actually, Laura, it says $700/half hour, so that would be $1400/hour! :o(

I can't imagine asking that of a grieving family.

I also think that it's perfectly fine to make a living using ones spiritual gifts, but there should be no money involved with things like this. I've seen psychics show their humanity by forgoing the fee for situations like this. I really respect these people.

[Grateful for Hope]

12. I hope I did not come across as being too judgemental

I think it is very, very ok to use our gifts to make a living. I also think that there is a very huge difference between abusing our gifts (or taking them for granted), and using them to help others, meanwhile taking care of ourselves by accepting enough in return to ensure being able to financially survive (and maybe even thrive).

I feel for Betty. I wish she had thought that her nutrition was as important as was that of her cats -- she was performing a wonderful service, and she deserved to honor herself as much as she honored her gift.

Just my own two cents here, Davsand. I wish I could have known her.

[cassiepriam]

31. There is a difference between ego/greed and charging a fair price

to make a living.

At least I think there is!

[cassiepriam]

6. Even talented psychics can lose their powers when ego and money

become more important than service.

$700 a half hour to find a missing child??

Even Edgar Cayce totally flopped when he tried
to use his power for financial gain (he and
friends tried to find oil wells etc)
and were unsuccessful.

[I Have A Dream]

10. I remember reading something that John Edward wrote where he said that he...

lost his abilities as soon as he began focusing on the money or the fame.

(And it was actually $700/half hour!)

[cassiepriam]

15. I am not surprised...happens to many.

It is important to remember that just because someone is psychic,
doesn't mean they are spiritual and using their gifts for the higher good.

Yes I saw that it was half hour, did I say hour? Oops if I did.

Yep, $1400 an hour.

Dream, you better get going on your psychic skills, time's awasting :)

If you work 40 hours a week and charge $1400 an hour,
you can make $2.9 million a year :)

[I Have A Dream]

19. No, you wrote it correctly. I misread the "half hour" as an "hour".

Sorry!

We both know of a wonderful, extremely spiritual woman who has forgone fees in the past to help people who are grief stricken because of loss. One example was while helping a friend of mine search for her lost dog. She earned my undying respect from that spiritual act.

[cassiepriam]

20. Yes that was so nice of her to do that....

And that is a good example of someone who makes part of her living doing readings
but does pro bono work when she can.

[Angel Wings]

11. Yes, that's what I believe

about her also. I've been watching her since the early '90s and she use to be pretty much on the mark with a lot of things she said. But, in resent years, nothing she says jibes with me much anymore. And, I've notice her to be wrong when a prediction result is able to be publicized.

I've also noticed that the higher her price has become the less accurate she seems to be. I, too, have found her to be impatient, rude and rather insulting at times. I remember several years ago she ripped into another psychic saying the psychic was rarely accurate because she was too old. So, I've often thought this may describe Sylvia now. Since she labeled someone else that way, it became her too...hmmm...

[Digit]

7. I don't care for her

Her dismissive attitude with people seeking answers has always bothered me.
That, and I feel she is more interested in money than helping people.

[stellanoir]

13. Ughhhhhhh

Inexcusable and I have never thought that woman had any other motivation than her own self aggrandizement.

Of course it disgraces all of us. How bloody insensitive and greedy can one get?

Don't answer that.

In the grander scheme though, what I'd been contemplating of late is the type of person who is high profile in the helping professions is so often excellant at self promotion is so often not good at listening or being even remotely sensitive. Hmmm.

I truly suck at capitalism and I might just be proud of it. Perhaps pride goeth before a fall. (???) Or maybe living outside the system lends me a unique perspective and voice. Dunno. Time will tell.

Just know I never liked that lady's vibes at all. She isn't even remotely funny.

tra la la

[Bluestar]

14. Did anybody read this website?

I clicked through to the article and I'm glad I did. Apparently this guy just started a website called stopsylviabrowne.com in late 2006. He dug up the information about this boy's parents' reading and the NY Daily News reported on it. The website is explosive, with several accounts of her so-called predictions being totally off-base and people who got bad readings from her on the phone and in person. I think that this guy could actually put her out of business! I can't believe that Montel can live with this kind of publicity.

I was on the fence about Sylvia until I read this website. She apparently pleaded "no contest" to illegally selling securities to a failed gold mine in 1992 and almost ended up in jail! Her ex did go to jail (you know the one she always trashes on TV). Also last week I saw her on one of the holiday Montel shows make a big deal about giving Montel a $35,000 check for his MS charities. It was so blatant and in-your-face about how much money she was making. It almost made me puke. Charity should be done in private if it is sincere. This did it for me! I think she is a fake and a fraud. That makes me sad because at one time I thought she had a gift. It makes it bad for those who truly do have a gift and want to help people.

I think it's perfectly OK to make money from your talents, but she is too commercial and smug about her success. I had my suspicions about her when she started her own church (non-profit) but that's just me, as I have a bad feeling about organized religions.

[lildreamer316]

16. I've said this before..

but the thing that tipped me off about her was in one of her books she was talking about Madaline Murray O'Hare; the famous athiest who dissapeared with several members of her family. She said that Madeline was not given the chance to rest between reincarnations ; that she passed directly through the "left door" right back into another body. This is what Sylvia defines as hell or the bad thing that happens to a soul that doesn't believe in God.
How the hell would she know? It's complete bullshit; and if God is as forgiving as she says he is; then that soul would have been given the chance to know the "truth". She imposed her own human judgement on the soul of that woman when she had no right to. She acted as if she were god.

I haven't believed a word of hers since.

[mother earth]

17. I also read that Van Pragh got it wrong too, said the boy was dead

too. It may have been on the same show.

I remember seeing Psychic Detectives and feeling the same thing, itsjustme, that woman (?Nancy) was incredibly accurate and a very down to earth sort.

[Celebration]

21. if he did

He also deserves to be smacked down. It is completely irresponsible to tell a family that the loved one is dead, even if one is certain about it. I can't say that he has overly impressed me, from what I have seen of him. For some reason I like John Edward. I guess because at least some of the stuff he has done seems truly amazing. Plus he holds back information at times, in a responsible way.

I actually have kept a couple of the more amazing Psychic Detectives episodes. There was one where Nancy tracked a kid down to Hawaii. There is a woman named Noreen that seems good too. I think stuff like this can be hit and miss. But some of the hits are so right on that it is not chance.

[LaurenG]

18. I have to agree with everyone here.

One of the first things I was taught is that if ones ego expands too much it will block any information that one was trying to discern. Also, since it has to come through the intuitive it will always be tainted with their own interpretation and beliefs. That's why it's so hard to get consistently accurate results. People get into moods etc.

I wish that well known readers and psychics would realize that the downfall of all of us is our own self absorption, ego and quest for ego(fame, money etc) gratification. There is always a lesson in there somewhere.

Poo on those bizarre readings from her!x(

[stellanoir]

22. "Poo on those bizarre readings from her!"

LOL But. . .but. . . but. . .manure IS fertilizer. :)

Speaking of that reference sorry I didn't catch your semi dispute with that semi detractor sooner on the New Moon thread the other day.

I regretted not backing you up sooner but just missed it. On those GD threads sometimes its like playing "wkack a troll" scrolling up and down the thread.

Yikes.

[LaurenG]

23. Well Stella it wasn't a problem

As you could tell I didn't take him seriously. I'm sure he just went away to find some other thread to be offended by. lol, whack a troll, :rofl:

[cassiepriam]

24. A question for all of the those here with psychic skills.

Let us say that you are doing a reading, or perhaps
just talking with a friend. And you get very strongly
that this person is going to die soon, or that their child will.

How do you handle it? What do you do, or not do?
Does it make a difference if it is a professional reading
vs a friend? Or that the death feeling is about the client/friend vs her child?

[davsand]

25. Can it be avoided with better choices?

I probably would not tell anyone they (or someone they loved) were gonna die of natural causes. I'm not sure THAT is anything that any of us can avoid. I have always felt that, and much as I have raged against that at times in my life, I've always known it to be an inevitable thing. When we begin life, our end is a part of that beginning.

Similarly, I would not predict DEATH of any kind. I could probably be ok with telling somebody to be on guard in the car. I could probably be ok telling somebody not to ignore symptoms of an illness. I could certainly tell a parent to safeguard their child from strangers.

If I saw something untimely--like the kid getting hit by a car while playing unsupervised for example--I might try and talk about keeping closer tabs on those you are responsible for. I might talk about dangers that maybe are present or about making choices that could head the event off without telling them specifically to look out for a Ford F150 traveling at too high of a speed.

If I thought the friend would die in a car crash I might talk about making choices like wearing a seat belt or staying home in bad weather.

I honestly can't say for sure how I'd deal with any given thing. It always depends on what it is and how it is gonna happen.

Sorry, I just can't be any more specific than that.



Laura

[cassiepriam]

29. So you would try to give them some warning in a tactful way

that would not be frightening to the client?

And you are right, a lot depends upon the situation and person in question.

Let's make it a bit more interesting question.

What if you were directly asked about an imminent death?
The person had a premonition and wanted to check it out?
That was their presenting question.

[davsand]

39. If they asked directly, yes, I'd tell them.

If they came to me and asked directly about it, yeah, I'd tell them. I think there's a REASON that somebody would do that. (I'm speaking from direct personal experience here...)

Sometimes people do want to know and they DO feel they can face it. If that is the case, and if they ask directly about it, I'd tell them because I see that reader and that reading as being more of a conduit of information rather than the originator (if THAT makes any sense!)

I will tell you that I have asked about my husband and his well being. (Remember, Kev had a heart attack at the end of May.) I worry about him, and I worry that we are not doing everything that we need to medically. We THINK we are--but blindly trusting Doctors can kill you, IMO.

I've researched on my own, and I've asked a lot of questions, and we are taking extra stuff (like Omega 3 and CoQ10) along with all the meds the docs prescribed (and YES, the docs know he's taking the supplements.) He's made major lifestyle changes and he works at being healthy. I'm so very proud of him because his attitude has been pretty pragmatic and fairly proactive about everything.

But I am still concerned and I have asked a reader about his well being.

I will not read for him and myself on the subject. I just can't do it objectively, there's too much emotion and fear involved. I don't think there's anything that can change what his soul path is, but I'm also enough of a human to be selfish about it--I love him and I want him with us here as long as we can have him. I can't leave any stone unturned.

This kind of situation scares hell out of readers--me included. There is a huge amount of emotion attached to it, and it is powerful stuff. As a reader, I can feel myself going cold to the bone whenever my mind goes anyplace near this kind of thing--even when it isn't MY family involved.

This kind of stuff scares hell out of anyone asking about it too. Trust me--NOBODY is gonna ask directly about it unless they are scared NOT to ask. It is the kind of question that you don't WANT to hear anything bad, but yet feel you want to be prepared for. THAT is why anyone would ever ask directly.

Sorry if this is in the "TMI Zone," but as a reader, I have a somewhat unique view of the subject because I've seen both sides of it.

I honestly think that as a reader (and remember, I no longer do readings for anyone outside my immediate circle!) we have an obligation to do the best we can to share what gifts we have available to us--be that knowledge of how to read or intuitions about the questions. As with Doctors, our first rule should be do no harm, and that includes not scaring the crap out of people with information they are not ready for or able to do anything with.

I also think that there are times when we get faced with this stuff and it challenges us both as readers and as human beings. If anyone comes to me asking about stuff, I'd seriously have to think that they'd not be asking unless they needed and wanted to know--whatever the answer.

Just my two cents.


Laura

[cassiepriam]

40. It sounds like you have given this considerable thought.

And that is what I am looking for, some thought about
how to handle these difficult situations.

Many people, psychics included, are questioning the way Sylvia Brown handled the missing boy situation.

I agree with you, that in general do not disclose
if you are getting someone's death. Try to couch it in more general terms of health and safety.

Unless they ask you point blank and that is why they are there. Then you have to use tact and good judgment in handling the situation.

Psychics are handling life and death information and
issues that impact many aspects of a person's life.
And it has to be done in a responsible and wise way.

And yes I have been on both sides too so I know how it feels.

[cassiepriam]

32. PS and then you get into the idea of free will. There is no fated script.

A death seen by a psychic could be avoided?

Then would it be our duty to warn?
Or not?

Are we messing with karma?
Or is it OK to intervene?

BTW there are no right or wrong answers here.
Just food for thought.

[BlueIris]

27. Maybe this makes me a bad person, but...

(And with the caveat that I don't consider myself to have highly 'refined' psychic skills and so do not charge for any impressions I give people under any circumstances)

I wouldn't say anything. Unless I was specifically asked, and even then, I wouldn't say anything about a possible death. I might advise caution in all risky activities, I might suggest just greater general awareness, but I wouldn't say "bad feeling" "demise," etc.

I wouldn't because if all I was getting was a feeling that someone would or could die because in the past I've had feelings like that about two people close to me who are still living, despite what most doctors and hospitals told them, to this day. I've been wrong about the death thing before.

I also wouldn't say anything at all unless specifically asked by the person I was getting the message about because I think it is a very, very bad thing to proffer information you're not being asked to give. At the very least, it's rude. If you just get the "feeling," not permission to share whatever message you think it's communicating to you--I say, 'stow it.' Maybe the Other Side gave you that information because you needed to be tapped to be a potential supportive presence in the life of someone about to experience a major loss/transition.

[cassiepriam]

28. I think you raise very interesting points.

You would not tell a person that you see their imminent death for the following reasons:

1. You can not be certain you are correct.

2. You do not give info unless the person has asked for it.


Now what if you are certain you are correct in a given case?
And the person has directly asked you about dying. They have had a premonition on their own.

Would that change how you respond? Or not?

[BlueIris]

34. If the person asked me directly about dying,

and I felt I was being given permission by the Universe to say what I was feeling, maybe I would tell that individual to protect or prepare themselves. But I would emphasize that her own feelings and intuition are most important, in combination with whatever doctors/health professionals/other professionals are saying to her.

If I were feeling as if something from the Other Side didn't want me to say anything, I think I would just tell the person to pay attention to her own feelings and if she were getting a premonition, think about its significance to her.

[cassiepriam]

35. It sounds like you would try to do the right thing, and think it through carefully,

Sometimes there are no easy answers to an ethical question.

[Matariki]

48. do you ever feel it's valid to predict death

in order to prepare a person? I sort of touched on that questing in my post below. I did a reading for myself that predicted my father's death and it actually helped me deal with it in many ways. So who's to say that sort of information wouldn't help a person I'm reading for.

I think this must be just about the toughest issue one faces when doing readings for people, along with predicting negative events. I kibitz with myself over whether the mere fact of making the prediction can act as suggestion and cause it to happen (hello greek tragedy) or whether I'm getting the info in the reading because the person NEEDS to hear it. Whether to prepare for the inevitable or to avoid the tragedy.

[Matariki]

44. I would NEVER want to tell a person that I saw their death.

Or their child's death.

Okay, I did once tell a very old woman that her husband was going to die soon. This was during a very detailed reading from me describing how I could see that he was sick and couldn't walk or take care of himself. How all her time was spent between taking care of him and her church activities. All of which was true and none of which I could have known by regular means - so I really had her attention. I've always felt a bit guilty about it - especially because what also came out of my mouth was that it would be a relief for her :blush:

Truthfully, I'd been reading at a fair for hours that day and was pretty tranced out. And I was young. I've never done that since and have gained better control of that state. But sometimes I wonder if maybe it was something she needed to hear at the time. Maybe that's just to assuage my guilt?

I did a reading for myself once and got that my Dad was going to die soon. He was diagnosed with cancer a few months after the reading. Truthfully, the reading helped me prepare for it. So I guess that makes me wonder if it's really for me to decide what I should censor in a reading. I try to get out of the way and be a channel for the person's higher self - so maybe I should read whatever's there?

Damn, it perplexes me.

[SeattleGirl]

26. Anderson Cooper is doing a story about her in a few minutes.

Think I'm going to check it out.

Okay, I'm watching the segment now. She was as wrong about the description of the abductor as could be. Said he was Hispanic, with dredlocks. Plus, of course, she said that the young boy was dead, when in fact he wasn't.

They showed another segment of her on Montel's show, where she told a grandmother whose granddaughter was missing that the girl had been taken to Japan, and was working in slavery, when in fact she was already dead (her body was found four year later).

I do believe that people can be psychic (I think of it as just having the ability to use a greater part, or a different part, of their brains than most people), but I also believe that these folks have a responsibility, a moral and ethical responsibility, to those who are requesting their help. I have to confess that I amm skeptical when a psychic makes definitive statements about anything.

I sometimes watch "Psychic Detectives" and pretty much all of the psychics on there talk about impressions they get, or if they do "see" something it's usually just a clue, a part of the puzzle. I don't believe I've ever heard one of them say definitively, "Yes, he's dead" or "No, she's alive".

Did anyone else watch this report on AC 360?

[cassiepriam]

30. Do psychics have a code of ethics? Should they?

How about astrologers, tarot readers, etc?

[LaurenG]

36. Yes psychics et al should have a code of ethics

Like anything else integrity is central to being a human being in service to others.

If I were to get a hit about the death of someone (which I have and it was around my own son, details later on that). I would immediately start to raise the energy around the other person and start sending "intercession" energy. I would also look further into the vision and see if there were any way to avoid the situation. I would leave the situation alone if I wasn't sure. If there was a way around it I would probably say I see danger connected with doing such and such, I strongly recommend you stay away from *X*.

It is my understanding that we all have a series of death dates, we can opt out during any of the earlier ones. Sometimes they are used to advance the soul and instead of death the soul will just put themselves (unconsciously) through trauma, in order to learn a much needed lesson.

I can't make myself harm someone who has come to me for help. My heart will not let me deliberately hurt someone but if it will save their life I will say in no uncertain terms that this or that needs to be thought through. It is then up to the individual to change what needs changing. The bottom line is that there are too many variables that can change, it's the choices that we make that get us where we are and a certain degree of trust (in spirit) is necessary when trying to discern what to do. The ego will get one into trouble every time as it's not about the reader, it's about those the reader is trying to help.

It's the same with healing others. It must be very clear in the healers mind that they are only the vessel and there are times when working on others when it's not going to work. Spirit knows what it's doing, even when I don't want a certain outcome, in the end it's not up to me, and there will be cases where all I can do is comfort and ease pain. It's the same with with intuition.

*My son:
We were in California on vacation and the second day we were going to take a sight seeing trip, we were to take Interstate 5. I woke up early in the morning with a vision of a car wreck on I-5. I saw the back end of MY car clear up to the back of the front seat on the drivers side. I knew that was where my son always sat as my daughter liked the seat behind the passenger. I felt sudden grief and saw sheets covering a body as I looked, my (now ex)husband and daughter were at the side of the road but my son wasn't anywhere.

I woke up my husband and told him we were not getting on I-5 for any reason that day. He thought I was nuts but I told him if we didn't find another way to get where we were going that neither I or the kids would be going anywhere except the hotel pool. We took only side streets and back roads that day.

There was a wreck on I-5 near our hotel that afternoon involving a semi and several cars. No one was killed, thankfully. :)

[BlueIris]

37. Woah. That is a really compelling post.

Can you post more about "intercession" energy, and possibly also about the multiple "death dates" that we can opt out of (or not)? If you can--thanks.

[LaurenG]

38. Intercession energy is my word for

Asking that grace be given and sending powerful streams of love to help protect. I also believe in prayer, it propels my thoughts immediately and the energy is quickly moving to spirit and to the person I pray for.

There are different streams of thought on having several death dates but it seems likely there are probably different times that soul contracts allow withdrawal. Sometimes the soul is finished and will take the first available "flight" home. Other times there may be new avenues that have opened up and the soul may choose to stay on.

It is thought that 3 is the average amount of choices we are given. I do think that if we surpass what we have come to do we may have choices that are different than if we don't meet the goals we've set for ourselves.

[cassiepriam]

46. That is my understanding from all my reading. We incarnate with 3 possible death dates.

That we set up in our soul contract session in between lives. And it could be more or less, but about three.

And we can exit the planet on any one of the dates, according to out needs or karmic purpose. We can go sooner or later, up to us.

We have cues that set us up to remember
the dates and times. That is why people have premonitions of their death. It was what they decided before incarnation.

[cassiepriam]

41. Yes I have read also that we have a number of exit dates.

We can decide on any of them in terms of dying.
And it maybe we have picked up one of the possible
dates.

Thanks OB for your thoughts.

[Rock_Garden]

33. It's almost become an urban legend, these predictions.

"He (she) is no longer with us, and you can find the body in a wooded area." Copy and paste into any tv psychic prediction.

But I like Nancy on Court TV, too.

[cassiepriam]

42. What if someone you don't like asks you to pray for them or their

ill family member?

How do you handle it?

[I Have A Dream]

43. I would definitely do this. It is an apportunity to overcome the ego part of...

myself that is holding me back from becoming my true light-filled self. It's also a Mitzvah, in my opinion.

Any time that I'm able to overcome my reluctance to do such things, I know that I'm one step closer to being the person that I really want to be.

It would be easier for me to do it for an ill family member because I believe that the "sins of the father" belong to anyone else in the family.

[cassiepriam]

45. Yes indeed it is a mitzvah. I love this word. It means kind deed or blessing.

I think of it as both, when we do a kind deed, the blessing
really comes back to us.

And coincides so perfectly with the sentiments expressed by St Francis.

That well known Hebrew scholar :)

[BlueIris]

49. That's happened to me a number of times now and I always

try to suck it up and pray for people who ask, and to pray sincerely.