I was researching and found a website that is quite interesting

[rumpel]

Yesterday, during lunch I saw "dancing tiny lights" in my vision. They were swooshing all over the place. I don't know if anyone here sees tiny floating lights. Sometimes after you have rubbed your eyes - or on a sunny day...perhaps whe I close my eyes(?) but I do, quite often, not always, but thought it is just a normal phenoma.

But I was neither rubbing or even out in the sun or doing anything else - and I said there they are - I also thought, when my Mom had high BP and she mentioned "floaters" that she was seeing these "tiny lights". But she told me that the "floaters" are more like shadows and not lights. It also did not feel like the usual random vision "glitch" of my biological system - Just fun seeing them. So what are they? I remembered Mad Bear talking about "element beings", and am still trying to find that section in his book.
I googled and sure enough "floaters" are dark. So I started researching what the very bright light version of them were - so far no luck but I found this extensive site on NDE and thought some might be interested.

http://www.near-death.com/index.html

but the initial page I got to was this
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research17.html

on orbs = souls and within the article a lady who worked at the Pentagon says this:

For some strange reason she didn't hear her alarm clock go off which made her late and in a panic. She was under stress because of her new job and on top of that now she was late which made her even more stressed. Being late for anything is her biggest pet peeve and she always prides herself as being a person who is always punctual. But being late that morning also made her very perplexed because she always hears the alarm go off and usually woke up before it went off.

As she was fighting the Washington DC traffic, she became relieved when she finally saw the Pentagon building. But she immediately became afraid when she saw something hovering over the building that also brought her a feeling of dread over her. She saw what looked like a huge, black, oval mass or cloudlike thing on top of the Pentagon building. She knew that it wasn't a cloud or smoke because of its shape. It was oval, symmetrical and perfectly still and looking at it made her feel awful because, more than anything, it appeared to be evil. Stranger still, above this black oval mass was a brilliant oval white mass which made the whole thing look a little like the Chinese yin-yang symbol. What Jan saw before the plane crashed into the Pentagon was "the most powerful, unexplainable thing I've ever seen."

Within a minute of seeing this evil black mass over the Pentagon, she saw the plane that was filled with innocent people and being flown by some terrorists heading straight for the Pentagon. She said that it was like seeing something totally incomprehensible. Before the plane crashed, she felt as if everything went into slow motion, literally, as though she was watching a movie in slow motion. The plane was still some distance from the Pentagon when all at once she saw these round sphere-like orbs of light rising up out of the plane. Dozens of them came out of the plane, and then it seemed as if hundreds of them rose out of the roof of the Pentagon. Everything was in slow motion except those round lights. Then they zoomed upward in a sort of spiral motion - all of them together - upward through that awful blackness and then they disappeared into the whiteness.

Quite interesting, as I happen to have my doubts, whether it was really a jetliner, as all of 9/11 is peculiar. But if she saw orbs..? (I believe her account)
I know from other sources that the soul leaves the body before the actual death of a body, and I think I have witnessed it on my beloved dog. His soul appeared to be in and out of his body all night long - and my holistic vet that came to his aid in the morning said- when there is extreme pain - the soul does leave. For me it was a struggle all night to tell him it is ok for him to leave, that I am sad, but I have to let go, as he was trying to stay in the body for me which was in so much pain.

Anyway, much more and different interesting material, some I already knew , but it will take at least a day to explore this site. :)

The "light floaters" are much smaller than what they say about orbs -

[lildreamer316]

1. WOW.

Good stuff.
Man; your brain is fast.
I like the fact I can keep up with you.

[rumpel]

8. ...

:)

[diddlysquat]

2. Thanks!

I will come back to this after work. Very interesting.

[rumpel]

7. welcome

just some more stuff to ponder :)

[Why Syzygy]

3. I get the tiny lights sometimes ..

and have tried to figure out what triggers them. Sometimes it seems to be moving my head too quickly. But can't make that direct connection. This has been going on for years. It reminds me of the old cartoons where they drew the flying stars circling around a character's head. In fact, that's what I used to call them. I asked a few people, do you ever see stars? No one knew what I was talking about, so I quit asking.

The part of this story about her vision of the dark object is a bit eerie. I can believe the slow motion thing of the strike to the Pentagon though. Even though I didn't see it in real life, that's always been the way I visualized it. Never really thought about it.

That morning, I overslept too. I had been putting in extra hours at work, and knew it would be okay for me to go in a little late. I never turned on the radio until I got in my car to drive into work. Right away it was apparent that something was going on but had to wait a few minutes for, I think, Dan Rather, special broadcast, to get reannounce the breaking story. I started sobbing. As many did that day. When I got to work I noticed everyone was standing in the parking lot across the street, and someone approached my car and said, don't turn into the parking lot, park over here. There had been a bomb threat at our building and the Fire Department was there searching under the cars and the building. It took a long time and many of us sat in our cars and listened to the radio and would then go talk to the others to find out what they had heard. It turned out they didn't find a bomb in or around our building, but the managers said, if you want to take the day off, it is okay. I sure did. Sat in front of tv for the rest of the day, of course waiting for bozo to show up and tell us something. That was the day that the whole world learned that we had an awol president. He still hasn't shown up for duty and remains at large.

Literally, though, if what she saw was a yin/yang, the dark doesn't represent "evil", per se.

edit: when I started reading that site the first thing I thought of was not exactly "orb". But when I went to one of the springs here one day, the sun was in such a position that in spots, the water was just dancing with lights. I swear I don't take drugs. It was just fascinating to watch them. It didn't seem like normal water reflection. That's why it got my attention. That spring is ancient. Many societies have used it through the ages. I wonder.

Reading more .. no one in the Pentagon was killed, were they? That wing was closed for reconstruction. So why does it say she wouldn't be alive? In fact no bodies at all were ever found. Nothing. Nada. No explanation ever given. I hope to live to see the day when all is revealed. But some mysteries are never solved.

[rumpel]

6. I am glad someone else sees them

and I am hallucinating :)

Yes the entire 9/11 is like a Twilight Zone episode in terms of facts, physical evidence and questions arising from them.

You know about the water. I saw something somewhere - have to think - light beings - was it also Mad Bear...

[LiberalEsto]

4. It's a warning sign for potential detached retina

which is a medical emergency if it happens. That is what my eye doctor tells me. It's something to be aware of when you get older, especially if you're very nearsighted.

here is a link for more info:
http://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/retinadetach.htm

[rumpel]

9. thanks, one medical possibility

I am rather farsighted - the "older" part is inevitable and brought on reading glasses as an attachment to my daily life - sigh

I used to have 20/20

I will check this out.

[rumpel]

13. Liberal Esto

I checked it out but I don't think that is what it was. No flashes - just like tiny swirling lights, with a trailing tail - not shadows or dark spots or any of that.

The vision behind (or shall I say, what I see) is absolutely clear and normal, my Mom sitting across, the patio door and the yard beyond, the food in front etc. -
these things are just dancing aorund in sort of... what looks like another transparent realm compostited on top of what I am normally seeing - I don't know how to explain it - an overlay of another realm over this reality almost...
as if they exist in an area between my physical body and the outside environment of my body - so they are in fact, way in front of my face or eyes as if they were playing directly around me. :)
While it was happening I asked if Mom could see them or anything and she didn't. It was long enough for me to observe them in detail - which was the first time..

There is possibly another medical explantion or condition...:shrug:

[hippiechick]

5. I had something very similiar occur a couple weeks ago ...

... Friday the 8th, the night after the full moon.
I was out walking in a part of my apartment complex where there's maybe 1 streetlight per block, only a few houselights on, and nobody outside (pranksters) that I could see/hear sense. It was about 11 pm.

For about 30 seconds, I saw what looked like 1 (or 2?) somewhat envelope shaped 'white lights' - I won't call them orbs because they weren't round - maybe a foot or so in length? - zooming back and forth in front of me, over a span of about 10 yards. As if they were chasing each other. It wasn't like a laser pointer because they appeared a little bit ... cloudy, grayish, dingy.

Given the extra-crappy events of my prior 24 hours, I was relieved and not at all surprised to see that someone(s) were making themselves known.

I do find it especially odd considering that a stretch of 'power towers' cuts through my neighborhood. I've wondered about their ability to 'attract' or 'assist' energies from the other side that want to show themselves.

[rumpel]

10. that sounds like something else

from what I see - mine are really tiny very evry bright lights.

But sounds much intreaguing - worth finding out - I will let you know if I come across something similar of what you describe - feeling wise was is benevolent or else?

[hippiechick]

11. Reassuring would be the best way to put it ...

... I had a momentary "WTF is that?" then about the 3rd time it zoomed past me, I felt a "Ah, ok ... cool ... hi, how are ya'?" sort of calm.


:shrug:

[rumpel]

sorry, this is again my computer - double posting but I'll use it

to edit and post my ps

I wish they would explain more what a KEA is and from where they derive the explanation...

but thinking about the deer feeder needing to be rid of bad energies - they may have to change the feed they place there ...lol
:rofl:

[rumpel]

12. ok

this is a link from the website I mentioned.

While it is more tubular than envelope perhaphs this is closer to what you saw:

http://www.orbsbybeans.com/kea.html

It was a rather spectacular run of photos, with more going on than
we can describe. It appeared that these tubular shaped forms were
periodically beaming light energy from one end or both ends of their
tube shape in on different places down by the deer feeder and off into
the woods beyond. At one point one was beamed in on the deer feeder
where a distortion had appeared. The distortion stayed for several
photos and then gradually faded away. I zoomed in at that point to
see if I could get a better look but the distortion was totally gone from
around the deer feeder.

When we dowsed these photos we got that the tubular forms were
known as KEA (Kee'ah) and were very good at eliminating bad energies.
It appears some sort of vortex was trying to open down by the deer
feeder that would not have been great with whoever was coming in.
The KEA prevented that from happening by beaming light energy from
either or both ends of their tube as needed.

[hippiechick]

14. That is EXACTLY it/them !!

:wow:

[rumpel]

17. Wow, they came to get rid of bad energies, then

good for you!

:)

[Sanity Claws]

15. Migraine aura?

Some people have migraines that are preceded by lights. I've had this experience. The lights are to my peripheral vision and slowly move inward and take up more of my vision. I also experience a blind spot.
Even if you don't develop a headache, you could still be experiencing migraines.
Here's a link to the Mayo Clinic's explanation of ocular migraines. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ocular-migraine/AN01083

Please note that migraines can vary a bit. My experience is slightly different from the typical one described.

[rumpel]

18. I had terrible migraines when I was in my teens...

my headaches nowadays are more sinus related - (bad allergies here) or stress.

The actual migraines episodes I had then were really awful, and those were accompanied by "a knowing" of there we go again - light sensitivity etc could not talk or make a sound until it was over. I even had them in my sleep just to wake up holding my head. But that was 30 years ago.

I have not noticed a "shimmering spot" - but "silvery or colored zigzag light patterns" maybe another way of describing them - not quite zigzag.

"The cause of ocular migraines isn't clearly understood. But they're thought to be due to abnormal stimulation of nerve cells (neurons) at the back of the brain." Oh, boy - I am "seeing" my neurons in action!

I will keep this in mind, and have bookmarked the site, thanks

[Ino]

21. That's a perfect description of what I experienced

I didn't get the headache, just the lights. I heard it's common during menopause (which is when it happened to me).

[Oilwellian]

16. This is what you're experiencing...

retinal detachment, such as floaters or flashes of light

The space between the crystalline lens and the retina is filled with a clear, gel-like substance called vitreous. In a newborn, the vitreous has an egg-white consistency and is firmly attached to the retina. With age, the vitreous thins and may separate from the back of the eye. This is called posterior vitreous detachment (PVD), a very common, usually harmless condition.

As the vitreous pulls free from the retina, it is often accompanied by light flashes or floaters. Floaters are caused by tiny bits of vitreous gel or cells that cast shadows on the retina. Flashes occur when the vitreous tugs on the sensitive retina tissue.

There are other more serious causes of flashes and floaters, however. Retinal tears, retinal detachment, infection, inflammation, hemorrhage, or an injury such as a blow to the head may also cause floaters and flashes. (Have you ever seen stars after bumping your head?) Occasionally, flashes of light are caused by neurological problems such as a migraine headache. When related to a headache, the flashes of light are seen in both eyes and usually lasts 20-30 minutes before the headache starts.

http://www.stlukeseye.com/Conditions/Floaters.asp

[rumpel]

19. The joys of gracious aging...

Liberal Esto also suggested this condition.

While it sounds a bit different - perhaps next chance I have, I should have my eyes checked..

thanks

:)

[cassiepriam]

20. Yes can be a variation of migraines. No pain, just the lights flashing.

My husband gets them sometimes.

I admit I see some flashing lights every now and then,
but it is not migraines or retinal problems (I have had it all checked out.)

I thought it could just be a sign of aging, the retina is changing.

Or maybe spirits or angels showing themselves :)

[rumpel]

22. the odd thing about the description is

it is not flashing

it's like tiny lttle glow worms flying around - not too fast and they all do their independent moves....very pretty:shrug:

on edit:

yes, and differing speeds

[cassiepriam]

23. I think with an ophthalmic migraine there can be variations

in the specifics of the visual disturbance.
But there can be other reasons for the lights you
are seeing so I would definitely get it checked out.

[salvorhardin]

24. The phenomena your're describing...

The phenomenon you're describing sounds like phosphenes. Basically the cells of your retina are being stimulated randomly. The causes can be prosaic such as rubbing your eyes or sometimes a good sneeze. But you should see an opthalmologist if it recurs frequently and you don't have high blood pressure. If you have high blood pressure you might want to check in with your GP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphenes

[rumpel]

26. That is very interesting

Sorry, I have not checked this thread for a few days, thanks

I always had low BP.

Pressure phosphenes - I occasionally experience when I do rub my closed eyes. So that appears to be a normal phenomena.
What surprised me, and caused me to post this was the fact that I did not rub my eyes, but it was a random experience just going about as any day.

I am exploring further articles...

now on further reading I found a few additional interesting articles. As I do not do drugs, neither was I meditating, it must be some spontaneous incidence.

Research - Phosphenes and Entoptic Origins of Alphabetic Signs

Historically, it was from the Phoenician script that Greek originated. But modern research on human perception may provide us with another possibility, one embedded deep within our own human consciousness. Modern neurophysiology has identified phosphenes, geometrical shapes and images that are present subconsciously in the visual cortex and neural system. These are present in all humans: they are described as entopic (sic), being visible when the eyes are shut. They can also be seen when the consciousness is altered by some means: during meditation, in trance, or in hallucinations induced by fatigue, illness or drugs. Geometric shapes related to letters are often perceived in the early stages of trance.

These states of consciousness are the domain of the shaman, the human who treads the thin line between life and death in her or her quest for enlightenment.

--- p.5, "The Secret Lore of Runes and other Ancient Alphabets", Nigel Pennick, Rider, 1991. ISBN: 0-7126-3963-2

If this is true, then it is possible that the origins of script lie in internal perception rather than in an arbitrary construction of a symbol system (alphabet) used to describe pictorially or phonically. The link to shamanic experience, or indeed common human experience through fatigue, illness or drugs, is again interesting. I would like to know the details of his statement and the validity of the research that has been carried out. What may have been discovered here is empirical evidence of the influence of psychic experience on the development of linguistics - something that I can postulate because I have the freedom of not being a scientist!

http://silverwolf.batcave.net/Ogham/Phosphenes.html

and
Dynamic Instabilities in Neuroscience The Visions of Shamans
http://www.math.pitt.edu/articles/ds.pdf

[Anarcho-Socialist]

25. When I get leg cramps...

...it's a hungry Jesus taking a bite out of my leg. When it happens I know I am best!

[rumpel]

27. based on the above

it's Jesus poking my eyes, or playing with my brain - eew!

:)

[Anarcho-Socialist]

29. The explanation is very straight-forward

Jesus has an invisible zero-mass tame crow called 'Clive.' Sometimes if Jesus wants your attention He'll send the crow to peck at your eyes.

Chad 9:36-37
"Clive the heavenly crow in his flight was given onto the Son of Man's will, and in the name of the Father decreed him to attract the attentions of men by rendering their sight in disrepair.
'Mine eyes', yells James as his eyes run bloodshot and Clive flaps away to the heavens above."

[salvorhardin]

30. Does this mean...

Does this mean Hitchcock was a prophet?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

31. Hitchcock is is considered apocryphal

Foghorn Leghorn is up to debate, both sides of that debate have very strong arguments.

[salvorhardin]

32. Would that be the perennial dichotomy between fried and baked?

I'm a devotee of fried, but I can see the baked side of the argument. I'm not a bigot!

[rumpel]

thanks all

I feel it is nothing serious - but when I have a chance - I will have my eyes checked.

:hi:

[rumpel]

28. thanks all

I feel it is nothing serious - but when I have a chance - I will have my eyes checked.

:hi:

[BlueIris]

33. That IS an interesting site. nt

[rumpel]

34. One article - I just read here

blew my mind...


It is very long but worth a read

Near-Death and UFO Encounters

as Shamanic Initiations

Some Conceptual and Evolutionary Implications

by Dr. Kenneth Ring


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/articles011.html