The president is about to be found in bed with either

[PinkTiger]

1. A live boy, or
2. A dead girl.

Figuratively speaking, of course.

[BlueIris]

1. Are you getting *anything* else? I am so curious.

My own intuitive abilities are a little paired down at the moment, but yours seem to be working quite well. Is it one specific scandal or several or what?

[cassiepriam]

2. LOL Pink Tiger But will the American people even notice or care?

As an aside I do think that Bush and Cheney are most likely sexually impotent or have trouble functioning sexually in a normal way.

[sofedup]

3. Do any of you know how Jeff Gannon fits into this picture?

Or if he does? I wasn't yet visiting this board when that was news and one certainly wonders why a gay escort had easy access to the WH. Could that previous revelation have anything to do with what you're seeing now, PinkTiger?

[PinkTiger]

4. LOL I have no idea on that.

I was in a near trance state when I wrote that - basically the vibes were that people are plotting against him, even within his own circle, but not the most inner circle, and they are planning to destroy his reputation so thoroughly that it cannot be salvaged.
I don't know if you have noticed, but there are very few apologists for the Bush adminstration out there. And no one is touting is "intelligence behind the bumbling exterior" persona anymore.

[lady lib]

5. Are you picking up anything on where they've been

hiding Jenna for the past few months? LOL!

[PinkTiger]

9. Poor Jenna.

I imagine that to be a child of this administration -- all the children, not just Bush -- must be horrible.
Although Jenna and Barbara are not actually children any longer, they are to be pitied. Hey were indoctrinated from the cradle into a life of lies and privilege.
Should the cards all begin to fall and they lose favor, their heads would be on a pike quickly. And that is unfortunate, indeed.

[Quakerfriend]

6. Pink Tiger, I love your stuff!

Your predictions have given my a lift this week- despite the depression that comes with having to look at the chimp's mug on the tube night and day!

:eyes:

I'm feeling that something big is coming during the last week of March or first week of April. But, I'm not feeling at all psychic at the moment.

What did you sense is the time frame for this?

[PinkTiger]

7. First, let me apologize for monopolizing this board! I will post this,

Then stop for awhile.

I'm studying George Bush's chart, just this morning (never done his chart before) and this is what I see:

When the 2004 election took place, he was experiencing a Saturn return in his 12th house; in fact, the conjunction was more or less exact. This astrological phenomenon symbolizes the harvest - reaping what we sow. Of course, the harvest is very dependent on the crop that is put in the field. There are a lot of other aspects, but this one is very telling. Also, a majority of planets are below the horizon. Now let's go to today. Transiting Saturn is getting closer to his ascendant. Many of the planets have moved and are now above the horizon. I interpret this: things that were hidden are going to be made public. A transit of Uranus in his 8th is indicative of a long period of suddden changes and unexpected events. This began for him in 2003 - but every time an important transit comes along, it can upset the apple cart. In 2003, Bush signed the Medicare Act and the Partial Birth Abortion Act. Since Uranus entered his eighth house, he has taken on these causes:
1. favoring the teaching of Intelligent Design alongside Evolution in science classes;
2. Taken harsher criticism for his energy policy and his rejection of Kyoto Ptotocol
3. Took a direct hit from Hurricane Katrina, which damaged not only Mississippi and Louisiana and killed more than a 1,000 people, but also exposed deception and incompetence in the Bush Administration.

His approval rating has dropped from 60 percent in January 2003, to a low of about 36 percent today.

Present conditions in his chart indicate that he will continue his free fall. I hesitate to say tragedy, as this is supposed to be a fall from a high place to a low place (LOL) but it is truly an American Tragedy of sorts. It is not Nixonian. Nixon was a higher order being, with the true flaws of a tragic hero. What is truly tragic about GWB is that he became President in the first place.

Some predictions:

April 16, 2004 - Bush's natal Uranus is square transiting Uranus (or is the other way around, LOL).
Anyway, this is what Robert Hand says about that aspect:

"This transit occurs twice during your life,once when you are in your early twenties and again when you are in your early sixties.
Each time it significies major changes in your life that require significan reorientation.
This is the "Old Age" significator transit, Hand said. "There is often a crisis associated with this transit, when you suddenly realize that you are getting old.

[I Have A Dream]

8. I don't think that you're monopolizing it. I'd like you to continue.

:)

[PinkTiger]

10. Thanks! But i'm quickly surpassing my abilities here.

I would love it if some astrologers would come on now and tell us about GWB's transits. I can only look at the chart, consult the books and the web, and write.

I'm woefully incompetent in that regard and have to rely on my inner barometer for clues. And sometimes, dear readers, I tend to not read the clues right. (wishful thinking comes into play).

[holboz]

12. Your abilities far surpass mine so keep it up! Please!

I enjoy the insight, even if you feel you don't always read the clues right. I only wish I could contribute something. I need to get more in touch with my "inner barometer" I think.

[sofedup]

11. what dream said! n/t

[PinkTiger]

16. OK - Here's some more. A look at the Grand Trine.

A grand trine rests today on Bush’s Chart, aspecting his natal moon, jupiter and chiron in Libra in his third house, which is trine to transiting Venus and Neptune, both in his 7th house, which are trine to Natal Uranus in his 11th house, which is then trine to the natal planets in his third. Mars is approaching conjunction with natal uranus. Tomorrow it will be exact.

What does this mean?

First, let us look at the element. Libra, Aquarius and Gemini are air signs. This makes me believe that Bush actually thinks his current blitz with the media (two press conferences so far, and very carefully planned appearances) is working to his favor. Unfortunately for him, they are not. If anything, these botched Q&A’s are further eroding his base and cementing the resolve in certain people to have him neutralized. He is starting to become his own bad joke. While Lush Rimbaugh (LOL) and his compatriots may be loving his TV assault of Helen Thomas, most viewers are appalled at his lack of respect toward an elder.

In looking at the grand trine, we also have to examine the houses it inhabits. In Bush’s chart this grand trine is from his 3rd, to his 11th, and finally in his 7th. It represents a flow of energy from those houses, so this means it is a combination of short trips (3rd) connecting to dealings with the public and open enemies (7th) to group associations and membership in his most important group, the GOP (11th). A lot is at stake here, and Bush is actually thinking he is winning. He is not. He is losing. We can see this by looking at the planets involved:
The pivotal planet is Uranus in his 11th house. Uranus is a malefic, meaning it exerts a challenging influence instead of an easing of a situation. The group experience is difficult for Bush, who tends to be independent and likes to rest on his family’s laurels rather than make it on his own. Venus and Neptune conjunct in the 7th is auspicious. Neptune in the 7th bodes ill for lawsuits and dealing the courts. When you are George Bush, you might think this is dealing with the Supreme Court, but that is more of a 9th house issue. So we can assume that this is more of a sign that his inner circle, many of them lawyers, are not to be trusted. He is also cautioned not to take on new partnerships at this time. If he were to “clean house” at the White House during a transit of Neptune to his 7th, it could be disasterous. As it is, he cannot trust anyone, including his spouse. I also feel that his “friends:” and associates are using these appearances as a way of destroying him by using his own hubis as a weapon. He seems to be running blind out there. Venus in the 7th conjunct Neptune also indicates he is fooling himself about his relationships.
The third house placement in the trine are natal planets. These are important because they are part of his being, and not transient in nature as the other two placements are. While in the trine it indicates a short trip, in his life it indicates his mode of activity on a daily basis. The third house also contains insight into his communication style. Libra shows an indecisiveness, and the conjunction of the moon, Jupiter and Chiron indicate a lack of stability and the probablity of deception (moon) in his communication. It shows that all his life h e has been able to charm people, especially women, with his wit and conversation, which is all centered on a superficial level. No depth here, which is the real problem. He can’t charm his way out of a press conference. Early in his career he realized that he didn’t know how to deal with adversaries and lacked an ability to operate with questions that he couldn’t laugh off or turn into a joke. You can’t joke about dead soldiers.

This is just a rudimentary look at his present chart. I would love to have others’ input.

[sofedup]

18. agree about those third house planets...

...Moon- he's an emotional thinker. Hence, garbage like he "knows people's hearts" instead of actual thought. (Venus rising could underscore that by showing an inclination to laziness). Neptune in the third could be an imaginative communicator but in this case, of course, it indicates a liar.

What I find interesting, but don't know how to interpret, is how his chart is such a "closed circuit". The Libran stellium is disposited by Venus in Leo> the first house Leo stellium is diposited by the Sun> the Sun and Saturn are disposited by the Libra Moon and we begin again! The two planets in Gemini and Mars are linked into that Leo stellium through Mercury. Any thoughts on that?

[Cleita]

14. Yes, please continue as long as you can.

You seem to have come across something important.

[Cleita]

15. My thoughts on what I have been seeing is that I believe

Bush is being thrown to the dogs. First they let him make that press conference yesterday and let Helen Thomas question him. He didn't handle it very well. However, the media couldn't ignore it like they often do so they had to air it. Then Wolf Blitzer interviewed Helen afterwards about it. More MSM face time for Helen.

Then Randi Rhodes appeared on two CNN shows. What two truth tellers in one day who both are very critical of Bush? Usually, the only "liberals" allowed on CNN are the ones who think Bush is great. I know for sure that Randi is a liberal. I don't really know Helen's politics because she is a journalist in the old-fashioned tradition first and foremost so she doesn't let her bias interfere with her job.

So my feelings are that here in twenty four hours there is a breakout of truth for a change. Randi surprised Lou Dobbs when she told him that Capitol Hill Democrats were shut out of having a say in government. If they want a hearing they are banished to the basement with no official status. He looked genuinely surprised. Don't these guys watch C-SPAN?

So it seems Bush has lost his protectors. They are letting him hang himself with his own words. He seems drunk or heavily medicated most of the time and no one is covering up for him anymore. Look for more of this to happen unless daddy Bush steps in to protect his son.

[Quakerfriend]

17. I agree with your thoughts Cleita. They are letting him fry

himself. And remember this speaking tour was immediately preceeded by that rather dangerous trip to India and Pakistan.

What amazes me is that he has 'agreed' to all of this- the travel, the Q and A etc.- Why?

[Cleita]

21. I forgot about the India and Pakistan trip. Yes, they

were putting him out there in harms way. If they send him to North Korea, we'll know for sure.

[MissWaverly]

61. I believe he has no critical judgment

I really believe that he does whatever they hand him and they wanted to take the heat/guilt away
from them. I have been seeing the image of justice blindfolded with her sword, I have seen this
repeatedly is anyone else getting this?

[MissWaverly]

63. about the image of justice I have been getting

I just heard that we will hear from Fitz tomorrow, I did not know this as I have trying to do
my taxes and just finished.

:-)

Merry Fitzmas, everyone!

[hippiechick]

19. I agree w/ you completely, but ...

... I don't think Poppy is going to protect him. Poppy - along with Unca Dick - reports to higher ups (Carlyle etc) and given that there's not historically a real close bond between them, I can see Popster letting the Boy King twist in the wind if it serves the "bigger" interest.

[Cleita]

20. It's really hard to think that anyone would eat their own, but

knowing about this family, it certainly is possible.

[cliss]

13. Here's what I've been feeling -

PT, I was impressed with the last thread you posted, where you had a feeling that Bush was in danger. Some people also posted some intuitive feelings.

Well, I tried it last week. Now, I personally cannot bring myself to focus in on Bush's aura, or thoughts or whatever. Because he repluses me so much, it would be like taking a trip to Hades...if you know what I mean.

But I felt something! I have no idea who it was, if it was Bush or his circle of insiders. But I tuned in to the White House to see if there were any impressions. Two times, I got very strong feelings. They didn't last long, maybe between 2 and 5 seconds. But they were unmistakable. It was sheer panic. Fear. One strong feeling had the word "media" attached to it, specifically referring to newspapers. I had an image of something being opened, like maybe a book, or a newspaper.

Later in the week, I got some diffused, more general vibes of fear, this time coming from the media itself.

Keep posting, PT! Believe me, there's lots of room here in the Astrology forum.

[cassiepriam]

22. Please keep going, this is a good

I love to watch people thinking out loud about a chart. (And btw thank you for the courage to look at Bush's chart, it makes me ill.)

I don't have much to contribute since I am just beginning to sort out transits, and also in karmic astrology it is only the outer planet transits that are of interest. So it is the Neptune transit that we would look at.

Keep in mind that in karmic astrology, free will determines how the planetary energies will manifest in any given chart. How evolved a person is determines how the planetary vibrations and energy will be utilized. How we handle transits is a function of our own inner awareness. If we can see that the transits are lessons and a way to learn to balance energy, we can co-operate in a healthy way with the changes, and understand the purpose in the overall scheme of things. (Only Bush could screw up the energy of a Grand Trine!)

Any transit is an opportunity to work the energies of the planetary combinations, and to develop those qualities within us. If we are evolved and in touch with inner and outer energies then we can benefit greatly form the transits. If we are not attuned to these energies then we can feel buffeted by events, and at the mercy of outside forces, assuming it is "something out there' that is causing the changes.

Neptune is considered a slippery planet and under a Neptune transit one can easily slip into karmic situations. But Neptune transits can be linked to spiritual enlightenment, mystical experiences, and working out of karmic purpose. Or breakdown and disintegration. Truth vs deception.

Neptune can bring out the greatest illusions of all time, and this will not be apparent until the transit is over. Judy Hall calls this the "Pink Cloud Syndrome." It can be like walking in a fog or being hypnotized. Under the influence of Neptune people can believe that they are on a mission, often believing that God is giving them instructions, and it is very easy for them to lose touch with everyday reality.

Neptune-Chiron transits can indicate either scapegoat or redeemer karma coming up. Which seems to coincide with some of the feelings folks here on this board are having that he is being tossed off the train so to speak by others. He will perhaps be the scapegoat for the cabal’s problems right now.

The third house Chiron indicates old karma with a sibling that was damaging and wounding. And with the transit it is possible that one of his siblings is part of the Neptune transit at this time, and it may not be a positive combination. Neptune energy hitting the third house stellium also indicates the energy will affect his immediate circle. I also have a sense that Bush's alcoholism and drug use may be quite active at this time.

[PinkTiger]

25. Great post!

Thanks for posting that. I wish Nancy Waterman and others would chime in.

[LaurenG]

23. I am enjoying this thread immensely

I wish I had something to add. I have been off on my hits lately so I think I'll take a break and re group. I thank you all for your interesting information.

[I Have A Dream]

24. OhioBlues...

:hug:

[PinkTiger]

26. Don't worry about being "off."

I'm willing to go on the record regardless of my accuracy, and so should you. I don't pretend to be a great seer. No one expects you to be. Just do what you do and let us in on it and don't worry.

[Quakerfriend]

27. Very well said, PinkTiger.

And, just having these discussions enhances the psychic energy of the group.

On a slightly different note...Do you think it could be the 'truth' about 911 that brings about the beginning of the end for this cabal??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x77354#77357

[PinkTiger]

28. Well, this is hard to say. I'll tell you why.

The "truth" about a lot of things is seldom really acknowledged, even when it is known and has become historical fact. For example:
1. The truth about Pearl Harbor, and that we may not have WANTED to know the Japanese were coming.
2. The truth about what we did to the American Indiansand the native Africans brought to America for slavery.
3. Global warming
4. Gasoline-powered cars could have been put in the junk heap decades ago, but big oil didn't want that
5. We could have today a network of cheap, efficient mass transportation in the U.S. if we had put our resources into that instead of ISTEA and built superhighways to run gasoline-powered cars and trucks on. The train could be our transport - high speed, fairly safe, and efficient. But no, we had to have our cars.
I could go on and on.

So I think the truth of 911, whatever that is, will be a slow realization on the American People, and not a sudden slap to the head. It will be something much less sinister that brings this house of clowns down. (sorry for the mixed metaphor, but "cards" sounded too tame. "Clowns" is more menacing. I hate clowns.)

They all know their days are numbered. I can see it in their eyes. Whatever it is that is coming down, they know about it and are prepared. That is why is seeming to take for freaking ever to get this over with. That and the stock market.

And, speaking of the stock market, what gives? Why is it going up? And why is oil down but gas is up? Can anyone please tell me???

[BlueIris]

29. Yeah, I'm with Pink.

The truth about 9/11 isn't going to be recognized by this generation--at least not in some all-encompassing, gigantic whallop. In my opinion, it's simply too big for that.

As for the stock market--that's not making me feel very secure, either. I have too explanations: desperation masquerading as "boundless optimism" on the part of America's investors, or a curious deception of some variety. I would post more, but it might wind up violating board rules and I am trying so hard to be a good poster this week.

[MissWaverly]

62. I have to disagree with you about 9-11

I think that the truth will be brought out and quickly, it's hard to explain why but I have 2 dreams which I believe tapped into the "other side." Please remember that I am no Svengali,
the first was right after 9-11, and I saw a street in New York and it was filled with people
(what a surprise) but then it was like I could hear these people and they were flipping out,
they had crossed over as a result of 9-11 and they were in anguish. I think that there was
such a price paid by these people and their families that there is a karmic debt to be paid
here. Secondly, I mentioned on another thread the dream I had about those who had died in
World War II, they were pissed believe me about what has happened to America under Bush. I
believe that there is a karmic debt to be paid for what has been going on with the Iraq War,
prisoners of war, imprisonment of innocent men, women and children who were non-combatants,
rendition, Katrina, etc.

[Pathwalker]

30. Corporations are buying back their own stock,

pouring everything they have into keeping their companie's values up. As a regular watcher of CNBC, I've heard their analysists say this many times; the only people left dumping money in to the stock exchange are companies buying their own stock, and Day Traders. CNBC used to have total contempt for the Day Traders, but now they give them tips. CNBC is also trying to play down the government's case against Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling, treating them like they are victims of governmental abuse of power.
The gas/oil situation is because different states require different types of gasoline, requiring different distillation processes, which adds to the expense and is passed on to the consumer.

[Cleita]

31. Isn't it strange. I used to watch CNBC all the time until

Bush got elected. Somehow I got the feeling that the business as usual optimism was fake. I see they are finally taking notice. Since then I have dumped any stock I had, although I have a few very conservative mutual funds still.

Others in my family have lost a considerable amount of money in the stock market since Bush became President. I tried to warn them. I am still even apprehensive about my cash dollar holdings, which is mostly what I have that comprises my retirement. If we go through a cycle of inflation all of that will become worthless.

I wonder if this attempt by the automakers to buy out their union workers' retirements for $150,000 each isn't a cynical move on their part because they know inflation is coming? If those workers lose everything, then they will have to hire back under the auto companies terms not the unions'.

[cassiepriam]

36. I agree, the whole truth may never come out

Bush and pals are masters at hiding and deception.

The other reality is that most people don't want to know the truth and could not accept if it was placed right before them.

[KAT119]

37. Masters of Deception but Charlie Sheen's statements re 9/11 coverup

are amazingly/thoroughly being reported in MSM-esp. CNN.com-entertainment (Showbiztonight w/AJ Hammer). Continuing poll @83% saying" yes" to believing Sheen's allegations of:
9/11 inside WH job. Keep voting!! Charlie, a Virgo, is definitely being believed! This could be the straw-plus next Friday's Censure debate!!

i checked for Yahoo bookmark(expired now) re article by Canadian Financial firm: Sprott.com- which stated last year that Goldman Sachs is keeping the US stock market falsely 'high' for 'national security ' reasons which gives them a hugely unfair advantage- and last year they were the financial leaders in profits!

It is more clearly known that we are not to trust ANY numbers coming out of this gov't-the most secretive WH EVER!

The poll #'s are also artifically high. The RNC always cuts what Gallup etc. reports in 1/2--so * is really about 12-15%!

You name a # and it is wrong...US dead from Iraq war more like 12,000 now as those who die in transit or in German US military hospitals are not counted. Death by other means e.g suicide back in US- not counted. Iraqi deaths from earlier sanctions then war=1million!!

Inflation much higher than reported--printing money day & night!

Unemployment much higher-12% approx. I have seen all of these # adjustments by people in the know (former gov't employees). Astrologer Pat Paquette-pisces chronicles-says * going down HARD this June (predictionsll-2006) -as does Barbara Hand Clow-2012 Astroflash. Let Us Pray....

[cassiepriam]

38. Truth

We may never really know the totality of the damage BushCo has done, at least not in this lifetime. What we all see so clearly is only a tip of the iceberg. So much more is going on that we do not even know about. The truth will not come out until BushCo has left Wash DC and the mop up commences.

Bits and pieces may come out now, and I hope that continues. The way these people operate is very complex and very duplicitous with much bribery and corruption. They hide truth under many layers of complex verbiage and documents that are outright lies or so hideously complex that no one knows what they are saying until it is too late. They also have an extensive paid network of people who are working on their behalf.

I do not for a moment believe the "official" death count related to the Iraqi invasion, I have never believed the figures. The death count is much higher, on the American as well as Iraqi side. And the deaths will continue for generations due to the damage to the Iraqi infrastructure and the depleted uranium, etc. All the chemicals we have used over there will damage the country for a long time.

And yes most of the figures we see, whether polling results, stock market, what have you, is all being manipulated by the powers that be.

I know of what I speak. I am quite familiar with how BushCo operates, I have seen it up close and personal! 20 years ago I had the grave misfortune to be working in a company that was taken over by Bush and his pals. It was one of the most horrifying experiences of my life. (One of BushCo's "failed companies", failed is in quotes because they always leave their failed companies with millions of dollars in their pockets). They ruined the company and many lives, some people even died as a direct result of Bush Co. Many people left bankrupt, with out jobs, etc etc. Bush and his pals ran the company into the ground, but made sure that they themselves left with about 1.5 billion dollars in their pockets, and yes that is the correct figure, over a billion dollars. And I watched them as they did it.

The most amazing thing is that no one outside the company cared about these events at all. We alerted state and federal authorities since the industry is highly regulated one, and we got no response at all. Some of the agencies we found out later were charged with corruption and bribery but by then it was too late. Other agencies had employees actually working for Bushco in cozy sweetheart deals. And the press was not all interested in the story. It is also very dangerous to try to combat BushCo, they can and will ruin people who speak out against them. I saw them do that as well.

Bush Co bribes as many people as it can, threatens those it cannot buy, manipulates all the data and info. All for the sole purpose of stealing as much money as possible. They are masters at shifting blame and responsibility onto other people, there is always a fall guy who takes the wrap for them. They always leave a big mess for others to clean up. And Bush Co laughs all the way to the bank. They could care less. They are classic sociopaths.

Over the years a hobby of mine was tracking the BushCo crime organization as I call it, and the damage they did as they went from company to company robbing, stealing, killing. Of course I was horrified when they took over the country. I knew what was in store for us.

I could write a book about how they operate, but I think others may be able to write that book now too.

[cassiepriam]

35. You will be OK

It is temporary due to your worry about family issues.
Negative emotions can interfere with our abilities.

[tanyev]

32. Maybe this....?

Lobbyist Abramoff gets subpoenaed in Boulis murder case
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2185777

[Quakerfriend]

33. Great catch tanyev!

Or, could it be this?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/24/131931/878

I'm actually getting excited for something to happen soon! :popcorn:

[tanyev]

34. Oh, I'm glad you posted that story, too.

I saw it after I posted the Abramoff thread. So many potential time-bombs, so little time.

[tanyev]

39. Andy Card resigning.

Maybe he'll start talking?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2192457

Edit to add:

Interesting comments from SpiralHawk in another thread. I would love to hear more about the implications of this from SH or anyone else who would know.

Bolton's appointment comes in the DARK of the MOON

VERY INTERESTING

The old Skull & Boner Kult in the White House has appointed the new chief of staff - Josh Bolten -- while we are in the Dark of the Moon -- just hours before the loaded New Moon Eclipse at 5:16 AM EST on Wednesday, March 29 at 8 degrees of Aries.

Meanwhile -- as every Republican Occultist will know -- the planet Pluto will simultaneously be making its station Retrograde at 26 Sagittarius -- the Galactic Heart Center, and key portal to the Mayan Teachings about Winter Solstice in the year 2012 (cue the Millennial Music).

Very interesting.

New CHIEF of the Skull & Boner Boy's Staff named in the Dark of the Moon.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x772075

[BlueIris]

40. A thread that just popped up in GD made me think (again) that "the"

scandal he will go down for has to do with his mental health. A revelation that those "rumors" about his anti-depressant use aren't rumors at all. It's hard to believe that an exposure like this could eclispe the shame and horror of the revelations about Bush being the Plame leaker, but maybe it could. All I know is I got a huge "hit" off this thread, and have felt since just before the election that Bush's health is a ticking time-bomb, and the best kept secret of his presidency.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x885163

[cassiepriam]

41. There is no doubt in my mind that there is a significant level

of mental illness in the Bush cabal. (As well as in their most ardent supporters!)

200 mg of Zoloft is a high dosage, but I believe that he is on other psychotropics as well, due to his odd affect when giving speeches. He looks to me like he is on some major anti anxiety drugs, maybe even some anti psychotic meds as well to help with his violent temper. And I do believe that he is actively drinking as well, as is Cheney, and I think Rove has a drinking problem as well. Sometimes I wonder if any of them are sober at any given time. Nice thought isn't it?

Bush also exhibits more that a few psychotic symptoms, such as his grandiosity,
his delusions that he has been appointed by god to do something to the mid east,
his paranoia, etc.

Bush also exhibits many signs of some sort of dementia, with his memory lapses, odd speech patterns, strange mannerisms, etc. (the zoloft most likely would NOT cause this as some have suggested.) If you look at him when he is walking you can see that his neck is crooked in an odd way, the way his arms hang in a funny way, suggestive of some sort of neurological problems. If any of you remember Nixon at the end of his term, he walked the same way.

Actually from a clinical perspective, Bush is a complicated presentation. He has the extensive drug and alcohol history, is probably actively using alcohol at this time, so we could have some alcohol psychosis, and alcohol related physical problems as well. Wonder what we would see on a liver biopsy?

He has also been diagnosed as a personalty disorder by a number of psychiatrists who have looked at his history, narcissistic and sociopathic specifically. And clinical depression. The personality disorders can decompensate in a very big way under stress and even develop psychotic features. And they may become dangerous as they begin to face some of the consequences of their actions. If indeed the pressure continues to mount it is within the realm of possibility that Bush could melt down big time. Especially as the current protective circle around him no longer works due to the fact everyone is running for cover themselves! In that event White House docs are going to have to keep upping his meds to prevent a total break down.

And yes he and Cheney have been sexually impotent for some time now. That is a part of why they are so aggressive in terms of military action, as a way to compensate for what they cannot do in the bedroom.

And also Laura knows quite well that her husband is a child and is doing poorly. She may be the one who has been insisting on him taking all the meds. She is more his mother than his wife. Bush surrounds himself with mother figures.

Oh and I think it is quite possible that Bush knew nothing about the Plame leak, for once the s.o.b. may be telling the truth. Cheney may have done it all and is now letting Bush take the rap for him. I believe that Cheney is running the show and encourages Bush to just ride his bike and play video games all day. Also I believe that Cheney makes sure that Bush is supplied with alcohol. Cheney has made sure that Bush is surrounded by a circle of people who tell Bush nothing, and just massage his ego all day long. This is the history of how Bush has functioned in all of his "failed" business deals. He was the front man, the star power, but nothing else. The evil cabal behind him ran the show.

If this happens to be true, then at some point Bush might begin to see the reality that he cannot trust anyone around him, even Cheney, and that he has been put in harm's way by those he trusted. This could contribute even more to a major melt down.

And mental health professionals have been trying to speak out for some time, but pretty much ignored. Also it is quite dangerous to speak out publicly against politicians, in the past when medical professionals have done so, they have had their license to practice yanked by the politicians in question. Thereby ending their ability to earn a living.

It is like the military who sends the retired generals out to make public statements, they have nothing to lose. So it is up to the retired shrinks to come out and make public statements.

[Grateful for Hope]

42. I think there is wisdom

in not diagnosing a person from "afar" as Frist did with Terri Schiavo. It is "dangerous" for mental health professionals to speak out, as you pointed out, but, it is also unethical.

[cassiepriam]

43. Yes of course it is unethical to speak out, but it may be immoral

NOT to speak out as well. Mental health professionals are in an ethical bind.

If medical and mental health professionals see clear signs of mental illness and drug abuse in the president and vice president, which may put millions of people at risk the world over, then perhaps they have an ethical obligation to speak out and ask some questions?

The medical community has been abuzz for years now about Bush's psychopathology and alcohol use. But are prevented from speaking out by law and ethics rules.

We have seen the death and carnage, and now there is talk of using nuclear weapons in Iran. Perhaps a start of WW III. Certainly one does not have to be a mental health professional to start questioning the sanity of the Bush cabal.

At what point does the professional community come forward and start questioning the mental status of our leadership? Perhaps there are ethical and legal prohibitions against speaking out, but what about the morality of staying silent?

The professionals can say that they were only following the law and their ethics, but their souls may be damned for allowing the murder of so many innocents world wide.

Certainly an interesting spiritual and professional dilemma for many.

[Grateful for Hope]

44. It IS a moral dilemma

agreed (although I have a lot of doubt concerning the damning of souls).

And, I am not arguing that mental health professionals have seen what they think are clear signs of Bush's psychopathology and drug/alcohol abuse.

But, unless Bush is personally interviewed by a professional, nothing definitive can be stated, and, therefore, these observations can say nothing more than "his symptoms are SUGGESTIVE" of whatever pathology they think they are observing. The symptoms of one disorder can mimic the symptoms of another.

So, as I said, there has been wisdom in how this has been approached. Many of us have read the professional observations, so the information is definitely out there.

Also, I don't think that Bush is the decision-maker. I think he is a puppet, and I think that the powers behind him are quite aware of his significant frailties.

[PinkTiger]

45. Bush does have the power to make decisions

In the beginning, he was set up to go through his presidency without dealing with the tough issues. That is why he deliberately surrounded himself with people who he had delegated that authority to. After 9/11, he put all that infrastructure into practice, to his later detriment. The problem was, that without strong leadership at the top of the chain, any organization will falter, because it spins off into factions. Those factions begin to work against the others, as they all jockey for front position. It is the job of a leader to keep that kind of friction to a minimum and use it as a positive force to make each group strive for excellence, rather than a negative force that brings out the worst in each group.
It is not the best interests of either Cheney, Rumsfield or Rice to keep things in positive form. They would lose out. Rove used all this negative energy to his advantage. When the chips began to fall on the Plame affair, they all stalled for time. Libby was sacrificed. The infighting began to get serious, because individuals began to realize there was nobody there to protect them. So all have been hunkering down in their various camps, talking strategy. It is a divided White House.

So here is Bush, surrounded by people he can't trust, people he turned his work over to, and his reputation is at an all time low. He has been trying to make decisions. He has decided he must make some decisions. So that is why the Iran nuke talk; that is why the saber rattling. I don't think he is a drunk. I believe he is on medication. I think this has been very difficult for his wife and his close contacts in the White House. They all know that he cannot do what he plans to do in Iran. Some very high level maneuvering is taking place right now while the talking heads appear on TV. Behind the scenes, deals are being made and a compromise is being hammered out that will effectively put an end to all this, an end to the Bush Administration. Bush and Cheney are threatening to cause a holocaust unless their demands are met.

I believe this is akin to blackmail. They are in serious, deep jeopardy at the moment. Be not surprised at anything that happens next. This is very much like what was happening in the White House in 1962/63. Very similar. Cuba. Iran. Missile Crisis. Middle East standoff.

Need I say more.

[Cleita]

46. I believe you are right. I'm thinking the same thing that

there is much turmoil going on underneath the surface. Of course Bush taking charge isn't working for him. There was a reason his handlers wouldn't let him have open press conferences like he is attempting now. I'm waiting for all the back stabbing to begin as these events are floating to the surface in plain view of the nation. They will then turn on each other as the blame game begins.

However, I still think he's drinking. I used to be a bartender(one of my second jobs)and I know when someone is drinking. I do believe he's medicated on top of it as well as you stated. One of the medications might be Antabuse, which could explain the bruise like skin marks he gets. Skin rashes occur if one takes alcohol with Antabuse.

[PinkTiger]

47. I think alcohol is being kept away from him.

He can't just run down to the corner store, you know. And they can keep him away from it.

[Cleita]

48. The Antabuse is to prevent him from drinking.

If you drink while taking it all kinds of nasty unpleasant things happen to you. The theory is that the unpleasantness of the after effects will stop you from drinking, a sort of Pavlovian response.

I also know how clever drinkers are in getting drink even when family and friends try to keep them from it. So locking the liquor cabinets, and his inability to go to the liquor store wouldn't stop a determined alcoholic. I think he's not been drinking in the last week or so. He seems to string his thoughts together better, but it won't stop him from obtaining hooch when he's down.

There are all kinds of aids and SS guys he can bribe or blackmail to be his liquor dealer.

[Grateful for Hope]

49. What frightens me more than anything

is the blackmail. What you describe, I think, is highly likely. But, I don't think that Bush is the major decision-maker, even in this scenario.


What I had been thinking is that the dems might be pushed against the wall over a vote on attacking Iran. If they, and some republicans, oppose, then if there just happens to be another attack on the US (convenient?), Iran will be blamed, and the dems will be made to look like it was their fault.


I am trying to view the situation as positively as possible. It's not easy.

BTW, I agree with you about the drinking. I don't think Bush is drinking either.

[divineorder]

52. Hope

I don't think another attack will help him or even happen now. Shrub has pissed off too many of the professionals in the government that could successfully pull it off by taking away benefits. His true believers are not only pedophiles, but criminally incompetent as well. They can't save him from himself anymore. And Delay, "the Hammer" is also gone for good and can't keep Congress in line anymore. What will happen is what I see: Congressional People spontaneously walking out of chambers in shock and anger.

[Grateful for Hope]

53. I sure hope you are right!

Thank you for this reassuring post!

[cassiepriam]

54. Many professionals have sold their souls to the devil.

(and I mean that in a metaphorical way of course, as well as when I say that they have damned their souls. I actually do not believe in the devil or hell, but it is a shorthand to say that they have put their souls in a great deal of jeopardy. I do believe in the afterlife we will be held accountable for the bad we have done, and for some that may be a hell of sorts.)

Think about the medical people who helped develop the torture protocols for prisoners, this is part of military psy-ops. And there are most certainly physicians and nurses and other medical people who have seen first hand the death and torture of women and children and innocent Iraqis.

And then of course all the attorneys who twist the law to allow for the murder and torture of innocents, and all the accountants and MBAs who cook the financial books to allow for the theft of the American Treasury. And are they all going to hide behind their professional code of ethics that prevents them from speaking the truth?

If indeed that is the case, then I would argue that codes of ethics are meaningless and a farce.

And as for the clinical observations of the those in power, certainly you are quite correct to say that no definitive diagnoses can be made with out proper examination. But with all due respect, I would argue that there is enough verifiable historical evidence, and clinical observation to allow competent clinicians to develop a fairly reasonable list of hypothetical diagnoses. They may be guesses, but they are educated guesses. (For example, in one speech Bush gave, the entire side of his face was drooping with spittle coming out of the corner of his mouth. Any first year medical resident can make some pretty strong guesses about what that might mean.) And if this was being done just for fun or prurient interest, or politics then it would be unacceptable. But it does seem to me that much is a stake here, without being overly dramatic, the future of our children and grandchildren are on the line.

I often think about the 6 million Jews that Hitler murdered, he did not do it alone, he had much help. And there had to be many professionals involved who did nothing. There had to be professionals in the community who watched his speeches, who saw his erratic behavior and dangerous polices and wondered about his mental status. And it is well known that medical professionals were directly involved in the torture and death of Jewish men, women and children. I see no difference between this and what is happening now.

I am well aware that in this country at this time, brave men and women have come forward to speak the truth, and put themselves in great physical and professional danger. They may burned at the stake by their own professional organizations, as well as targeted by the Bush cabal which is well known to be ruthless when it comes to destroying their enemies.

This is indeed the dark night of the soul, a time when all of us should look deep inside ourselves and ask some very hard questions.

I do not pretend to have any easy answers.

[Grateful for Hope]

57. I pretty much agree with you cassiepriam

with the only exception that I could never believe that ethics are meaningless, regardless of what others in society do.

Interested in what you think this means:

"(For example, in one speech Bush gave, the entire side of his face was drooping with spittle coming out of the corner of his mouth. Any first year medical resident can make some pretty strong guesses about what that might mean.)"

If I didn't know the subject, I would guess anti-psychotic medication...tardive dyskinesia symptom. However, I doubt this is the cause. But, this symptom, IMHO, does mimic TD.



edited for syntax.

[cassiepriam]

58. Ethic codes are meaningless if they are only a cover for evil

was my point.

That said, I am one of the strongest and most strict adherents to ethical codes you will ever find. In part because they are the rules and also because it is the right thing to do.

About Bush's facial paralysis, many docs wondered if he had had a small stroke. And yes, I wondered about TD as well. It is possible that he is on some sort of anti-psychotic meds. But for him to be exhibiting TD sxs means he would have been on it for some time, or perhaps they have been taking him on and off of it and he is going into some sort of psychotropic rebound kind of thing.

Certainly if we could gather a team of physicians, drug and alcohol experts, mental health experts, to examine all videos of him for the past year or so I bet we could get a short list of dxs that would be fairly accurate.

The main reason I think it is important to at least speculate is that I wonder how much worse he will get before it is all over? I do think he is quite capable of decompensating when reality starts hitting him. And it may not be a pretty sight.

[Grateful for Hope]

59. I think this is a real possibility

"The main reason I think it is important to at least speculate is that I wonder how much worse he will get before it is all over? I do think he is quite capable of decompensating when reality starts hitting him. And it may not be a pretty sight."

:scared:

Thank you for your feedback. I have enjoyed this give-and-take dialog!

:hi:

[cassiepriam]

60. I thank you! I love a good meaty discussion with lots of

differing opinions.

(But I think we were not differing much at all in the final analysis, but none the less a very good exchange. Thank you!)

[Quakerfriend]

50. Hi all !

Someone is about to 'squawk' re: stolen election in 2004...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x887955:hi:

Somehow this gives me hope. ....Never mind that we've been squawking since 11/3, 2000...

[Grateful for Hope]

51. Having trouble clicking on your link

Keep getting an error message. Can you maybe repost?

Thanks!

[Quakerfriend]

55. Here you go. Let's hope it might be true!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x887955

[Grateful for Hope]

56. Thank you!

Yes, let's hope! This may turn out to be QUITE a month!

:toast:

[bliss_eternal]

64. Anyone have any thoughts about the possibility of nukes/iran

by *?

I'm sure this could constitute it's own thread, but given this is about * and his possible self-destruction, I figured this may fit in with that.

Also, I'm kind of in hiding right now, and trying to not be particularly conspicuous. Posting to a thread that is already in existence is less conspicuous than creating a new one.

And, I hate the idea of a thread with such a title in this area. This area is kind of a calm from the storm of DU. It just feels wrong somehow to start a thread about that subject matter here, at least to me. :hi:

Ok--done with all of my weird rationalizations. Anyone think he's going to go through with this?

[cassiepriam]

65. We should assume that anything is possible at this point.

BushCo is out of control and desperate.

[BlueIris]

66. Holy crap. I'm having an epiphany.

Sort of. I think I've got one idea about "the" scandal. I don't think the scandal itself will be the ultimate thing that shatters Bush--at first--but what it could reveal about Bush and his administration collectively might unleash that ice-berg we've been talking about. I thought of it because my favorite blogger, who has desperately been trying to draw attention to the Iran situation for well, a couple of years now, is obsessed with a certain "rumor" about Bush and chose to revisit the issue today.

Does anyone remember the pre-election blogworld scuffle, amplified during the debates, over whether Bush could be wearing a wire? That he basically doesn't speak off the cuff or without prompting from Karl, Andy, Karen, et. al., ever? Because they can't risk him wandering off message and he is too brain-damaged to be able to stay on message on his own?

I think it's possible that the revelation that he is "wired to Karl," and has been for quite some time, could come out now. Imagine where that revelation would go, especially if it were pushed out there by his own former supporters from within, to remove Bush at last. It could lead to discussions of his mental state, Rove--and everyone's--complicity in Bush's lies about...everything, and expose him as a fraud in a way few other scandals could. Damn. I think this could be it, folks.

[Avalux]

67. "dead girl" - Barbara (mom) Bush passes? It just came to me.

What would happen to Bush's mental state if his mother suddenly wasn't there anymore? We all know she rules the family with an iron fist and is particularly close to Georgie - the ramifications of her passing may be quite significant and impact Bush in a manner that would cause him to completely unravel.

When I read the OP, I instantly thought of Babs.

[PinkTiger]

68. No - you are reading too much in this.

The "dead girl" is a reference to what can ruin a politican's career irreparably, i.e. "a dead girl or a live boy" in their bed.

I do not see anything dealing with Mrs. Bush.

[Avalux]

69. Ah - sorry about that.

:blush:

I think I tried to make my thoughts fit. I've been thinking about Barbara Bush quite a bit though; I do feel she will not be around much longer and when she's gone, it will drive Bush even further into madness.

[BlueIris]

70. My newest guess about the Scandal to Rule Them All: W. drug ties.

Well, drug money ties, to be more precise. Writer Daniel Hopsicker broke the latest development in this story, which has been simmering on and off these last few months:

http://www.madcowprod.com/07282006.html

I didn't notice any links to this scoop around DU, so I thought I'd just post to the blog the newest info is on.

(Note: I don't know much about Hopsicker, so I don't really know what's on the rest of that site. If there's anything else on there that could be politically upsetting to our users here, I apologize in advance. I've been following this crazy tale for a while on another blog, written by a person whose integrity is above reproach to me and he vouches for Hopsicker's work, so in my eyes, it's all good, as wacky as that may sound. And about wacky...this scandal has it all and appears to match up with what Pink originally sensed could be the official nail in the coffin of Bush's public image--huge, not personal or sexual, a source of deep shame for Bush. I'm also highly interested in this one because I'm personally getting a major "hit" off of the new twist. I was randomly thinking a lot about BFEE ties to laundered drug money all through yesterday, and wondering how much of "that business" still went on, anyway.)

[Cleita]

71. Well, if you want to look for drug money, try to find out what

Oliver North is up to today. He was the money launderer for Iran/Contra. Also, look for some other players in that administration. I think you will find they are working for BushCo at the old business.

[Coyote_Bandit]

72. Good Old Ollie - HA!

His father in law would be one R. J. Rushdooney. It was his writing that provided some of the theological foundations of modern Christian conservatism. While his writing was not primarily issue based it was a call to Christian activism and it provided the inspiration and justification for much of what was to follow.

[mother earth]

74. Good ole Ollie, is right, anyone else would've been locked away

for a very, very long time. He's the poster boy for deceipt, self-deception especially.

[mother earth]

73. Haven't had time to read the article, but you do know, perhaps you

don't if you do not follow at the 911 topic forum, some believe a huge piece of the puzzle with all of the so called 911 perps is drugs, that they were all starting to try and get their pilot licenses in order to do drug running & were recruited by the powers that be to engage in the plot. It rather makes sense to me, but I am a true believer that we've all been had about 911. My feeling is that when this all comes down we will indeed be shocked by the revelations & the players. I think you are right on the "money"...BlueIris..pun intended. ;)

[BlueIris]

75. Oh, interesting. I had forgotten about that part of the 9/11 theories.

I have a hard time keeping all of the different opinions about exactly what went down on 9/11 straight, sorry. Which is not to say that we're not definitely on the same wavelength about why it happened.

I just...it's taken almost fifty years to get any significant acknowledgment from this society let alone its government that JFK was murdered by governmental conspiracy--I can't believe that the public could come to grips with the idea that Bush Co. and their insurance industry/extremist PNAC friends planned and paid for 9/11 in anything less than 20 years. Then again, things move faster in the information age than they did in the '60s.

Still--I can't believe that the scandal which gets him out of office will be directly linked to his complicity in 9/11 because that is simply too mind-warping a concept for the normal American to get his or her brain around in 2006. However, I am starting to wonder if it won't be possible that Bush will be forced to bail because whatever scandal does break will be too closely linked with 9/11 for him to risk being left in place, even with the lapdog, propagandized mainstream media in place.

[mother earth]

76. Gotta be, pro-911 truth, BlueIris---it will happen, for the greater

good! ;)

[BlueIris]

77. Oh, I'm sure it will happen...kinda...just not this decade.

I've been into the "conspiracy 'theory'" world a little too long to maintain much hope about the revalations reaching real Americans any sooner. According to the lore surrounding our country's 50 year scandal cycle, (1870s--Grant, 1820's--Harding, 1970s--President Rat) we're due for the next big earth-shaking unveiling of...something bad re: government around that time. Finding out that the US goverment planned, paid for and carried out 9/11 sounds about right to me. Unfortunately, since by that point my feeling is that either Hillary or John Edwards will be president, I'm not enthusiastic about what that unveiling might do to progressives and liberals and their role in politics. Which is not to say it can or should stay hidden or anything, (please don't flame) but when the truth comes out...egh. Not going to be pretty. (Also--please no PMs about Hil or Edwards and why I think what I do about their futures; this is the astro forum, you may research their charts yourself if you think I'm nutty.)

[saracat]

78. No it looks like it will be the war contracts

per today's news. Haliburton may bring them down yet. I would also watch the oil companies. I sense a scandal brewing ther. Just my gut feeling.

[BlueIris]

79. Ohhhh. That's right. I was thinking about those yesterday, too.

And, of course, my thoughts are never very far from the little-known Cunningham-Wilkes scandal, which is also appalling and has the potential to be the check mate for Bush's opponents (no, not us--those who have abandoned him on his side).