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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 05:01 PM
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Something is going on with Bush.
Today when I read the news that Robert Novak is saying "Bush knows," regarding who leaked the information to him, I just figured something is about to come down.

Then I read on the news where Bush is now taking responsibility for going into Iraq with flawed intelligence.

Something is about to give way. I think he was told he needs to admit things. But a transcript of his speech
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/14/bush.transcript/index.html
reads like this:

"As president I'm responsible, but Sept. 11, yada yada yada."

I don't think this will suffice. I think Robert Novak may be the thing that does it.



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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 05:58 PM
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1. Yeah, this is weird to me, too.
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 05:59 PM by BlueIris
Usually, as I've posted before, I can feel when something significant is about to happen with him (we have a perverse bond). I didn't feel this coming at ALL. I was shocked to see it on CNN.com this morning, even before it made it here. It feels like a pre-emptive damage control strategy to me, but--in defense against what? I confess, in a psychic/telepathic sense, I've got nothing. Of course, that could be my nasty personal situation today messing things up, but still. This has never happened before (which may have been the Admin's objective--take the Bush critics by surprise so it would take them longer to foment their criticisms? I don't know; this is freakishly strange).

It's hard for me to believe he actually said he was responsible. That's as close to an apology as Bush gets. Whatever's up next for him, it must be bad.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:53 AM
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9. I agree
The thing to remember is with the republicans they like to control and frame the debate first and use the media. They repeat it often enough people start believing it so this is weird. And what do you mean by perverse bond? :shrug:
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 06:18 PM
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2. You've got great psychic instincts PinkTiger so,
I hope you are right!

The Diebold implosion might have something to do with it. I'm sure the ripple effect will be quite wide.:bounce:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:18 PM
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4. Oh, I didn't even think about Diebold. I blamed Wilkes-Cunningham.
Even though my favorite blogger wrote a special post about the Diebold thing this morning. Silly Iris. Okay, so, that explains a lot.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:06 PM
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3. I was thinking the same thing while driving home
I almost drove off the rode as I heard the report that the boy who wanted to be king took responsibity... I fear that is why they are tryng to get the USPA throgh conme hell or high water, only way they could possibly stop what is going on any more
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:59 PM
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5. Good Instincts
The polls are showing only a slight rise and some show down, even with his big "4 speeches" push. I think he's trying desperately to get the polls to rise. In the business world, I've witnessed several CEO's trying to get the company stock price to rise in similar fashion--putting lipstick on a pig. It never works.

On the other hand, I've been getting a strong feeling about something happening the end of this week. Nancy at starlight news says something will happen by Friday to take Bush down another notch also. Take your pick--we've got Diebold, Election Fraud, Plamegate, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay and Frist. And the distinct possibility that Cunningham/Delay/Abramoff will crash into one another creating the perfect storm. Not to mention Iraq. That's a whole 'nother can of worms. This guy Bush is walking on eggs and I think many of them have been cracked and broken, we just haven't been allowed to see it yet.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:16 AM
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6. woo hoo!
Another reason to look forward to Friday!




Cher

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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:55 AM
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10. Maybe it will be Rove getting Indicted!!! YES!!!
I hope! I hope! I hope!

There's so many things that could "pop" any day now...
but the rumor of Rove under Indictment before the end of the year is one I really look forward to seeing in headlines.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:23 AM
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7. I read the transcript differently...
I think he is simply saying, "I take responsibility, 'but;"

He continues to lie. i.e. "Some of the most irresponsible comments about manipulating intelligence have come from politicians who saw the same intelligence I saw, and then voted to authorize the use of force against Saddam Hussein. These charges are pure politics. They hurt the morale of our troops." These politicians voted for him to have the power to go to war as a last resort.

I feel he is going down. He is floundering and manipulating the public (and the public wants so desperately to believe that they were not wrong in their original assessment of this man that they will easily be manipulated. The people that supported him do not want to believe they were misled, and this makes it easier for him to continue to do so, although the tide is turning. For those that are wising up, they will be much angrier than most of us, who saw the truth early on and did not fall into the trap. Their anger is much more dangerous than ours. He didn't make a fool out of us, just our country.

I think it will be Cunningham, Fitzgerald, Edmunds, Tom Delay, Ken Lay, Valerie Plame, Sen. Fritz, Abranoff, Hadley, the fall of Diebold, and many other dominoes that are beginning to fall that will bring him down.. (Forgive any name misspellings - I'm bad at this.)

There is a simple lesson in life - You are known by your peers. Once you start to have accountability, while at the same time blaming you peers, credibility will crumble.

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 08:28 AM
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11. Agreed.
He says he takes responsibility, but then he says he would make the same decision again. There is no remorse, no soul-searching, no grief, only a new turn of phrase.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 01:58 PM
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12. I love your list of dominoes ..
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 02:00 PM by votesomemore
You can hear the drum beat now. If he manages to stay in office til after the first of the year, he's due for the SOTUS.
:glee: Betcha five dollars now, he'll be spewing the same repertoire.

IE, "Oh we went and killed a bunch of people and wrecked American Families because we looked at "flawed intelligence".
(his name begins with George)
But it was RIGHT! The RIGHT, DEMOCRATIC thing to do".

Same ole forked tongue. Can they see it yet?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 12:48 AM
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8. I read in GD that he also invited some democrats
to speak with him in a plan meeting. I wonder what's going on too. You can sense something is going on.
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:34 AM
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17. Yeah, Democrats coming to the White House
and a news conference where reporters were allowed to ask questions. I sense that they are about to roll out a new product--disarming Iran. Woo Rah.

The * administration needs to improve their poll numbers and we are in the midst of the ad campaign.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 06:46 PM
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13. Another thought
I had another thought about what's going on with Bush. He actually looks better in the past couple of weeks than before. I'm wondering, did they take him down to Crawford over his Thanksgiving "vacation" and dry him out? Maybe there's some drug they can give people (I don't know, just surmising)that can get them off booze in a couple of days, at least temporarily. I know my brother-in-law was given something that caused him to get physically ill if he drank alcohol.

I think they did this to prop him up for these all-important speeches and to be in public during this sham "election" in Iraq. If this is the case, it won't last very long and we'll soon see the same speech slurring and drunk behavior we saw before Thanksgiving.

Anyway, if the rumor is true about Cheney stepping down "due to health reasons" after the first of the year, I find Bush's acquiescing to McCain's torture bill interesting. It would be just like the Repugs to oust Cheney and install McCain in his place, hoping to promote him as president in 2008, letting McCain run things from now until then. Bush would only do this if he really thinks that the Dems are going to take back the house in '06, because he and Cheney will surely be impeached if we take back the house. That would leave Nancy Pelosi as president if the Repugs don't get rid of Cheney and replace him first.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 07:12 PM
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14. Very interesting theories, Bluestar--
I think you are on the right track as far as them having did something to help 'dry him out.' Think about all that was probably done behind the scenes over the years to hide reagan's 'affliction' from the public. I'm not at all convinced he didn't have it while in office--I think he did.

But back to *, I think you're right in that whatever is going on to create some sort of public favor is going to be very shortlived.

We'll see soon, won't we...
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:52 PM
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15. Two big Bush turn arounds happened today
in addition to some of these other odd changes. Bush pledged billions in federal money to rebuild the levees and he gave in on McCain's torture bill. This is very out of character for Georgie Boy.

Also, it looks like Rove was supposed to get indicted this week but that has been put back to at least next week because of the Conrad Black indictment, which is also very bad news for Bushco.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 AM
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16. Just a thought on this...
he buckles on the torture stance only because he is going to loose and McCain is going to win. Now, it's his idea.

He sets funding for levees, but he has set funding for other things that never pan out, i.e. AIDS - Africa.

He's only changing his tone to fit the needs of empire building.


Gee, what's happened to me. I have always been an optimist.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:26 AM
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18. Once you see that the Emperor has no clothes
eveything becomes crystal clear!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:43 PM
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19. I think he's having a nervous breakdown. He looks really
sick and he's getting careless with his words by admitting these things and the way he says it. Nancy Waterman says it's the Saturn in his chart that is making him go through a hard time.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:10 PM
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20. Hi Cleita!
:hi:

I thought that the change in his words- ie, taking 'responsibility' for Iraq (if you could actually call it that!), agreeing to the torture ban when he knew McCain was going to get it anyway, and etc. was their way of setting us up for their next move- the invasion of Iran.

But, I must admit that he's been more heavily made up lately than usual.

What is Nancy's prediction about the timing of his undoing?? I do not recall.
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:29 AM
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21. Anybody watch him last night?
IF so, what did you think of his physical appearance?

What was up with his very distinct (for lack of a better word) hand movements??
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:04 PM
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22. I can feel something changing too
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 02:05 PM by oxbow
my reiki master has been holding him in the light lately. maybe that, combined with his having to face reality on Iraq, etc. is beginning to finally melt his heart. If anyone at the top levels of this admin can be reached, its him.
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