Eclipse on 10/17 is EXACT on Bush's Midheaven

[chi_girl_88]

I've been looking at his chart tonight. The lunar eclipse happens at 8:12AM on Mon Oct 17th at 24'14 Aries/Libra (Moon/Sun). Bush's Midheaven - I use Koch houses, and an Aries MC in Koch seems much more like Bush than the Taurus MC I've seen using other house systems - is at 24'13" Aries (July 6 1946 7:26AM New Haven CT from Astrodatabank). From my understanding, the MC represents your public image, your standing in society, most commonly, your career. For a President, it's a no-brainer what that stands for. An Eclipse here, and so close, is HUGE.

Transiting Chiron at 27 Capricorn opposes Bush's Saturn at 26 Cancer in the 12th, which is square the Eclipse point, making a Grand Cross centered on the Eclipse conjunct his MC/IC. Saturn in the 12th (and I have this placement, in Capricorn, exactly opposite Bush's) gives a more Karmic feel to the traditional 12th house meaning of "self-undoing" - and if anything, it's pretty obvious that Bush's "self-undoing" has always been his refusal to accept responsibility, or to face accountability. His daddy, his daddy's friends, and his daddy's Supreme Court always having rescued him from this in the past. Transiting Chiron, I think, represents that this is his inner wound, his need to prove that he could make it on his own. Winning a 2nd term, and "finishing the job" in Iraq, where his daddy couldn't.

At the same time, transiting Saturn at 10 Leo will be conjunct Bush's Mercury/Pluto conjunction in his 1st house. Transiting Saturn, having crossed the Ascendant, is giving a big fat dose of reality - doesn't "Saturn conjunct natal Mercury/Pluto" just SCREAM "speaking truth to power?" But in this case, not so much in a "good" way, as far as the listener (Bush) is concerned.

Transiting Uranus at 7 Pisces is inconjunct the Mercury/Pluto conjunction (and transiting Saturn) and also exactly quincunx Bush's Ascendant in Leo. The Ascendant represents the "personal" image, and Bush has always struck me as a boy-king. One who feels that he deserves (and craves) attention. Uranus inconjunct this point strikes me as a bolt out of the blue that will focus alot of negative attention on his personal self-image. The Emperor will be revealed to have no clothes.

Transiting Pluto at 22 Sagittarius, opposes Bush's Uranus at 19 Gemini in the 11th, conjunct his South Node at 20 Sagittarius, opposite his North Node which is conjunct his natal Uranus. Another Karmic "bolt out of the blue" connection. You don't mess (you all know what I probably should have typed there instead of "mess") with Pluto. Pluto transits always represent power in some way, and opposite Uranus in the 11th of groups and associations, could illustrate the disintegration of the support of the Republican party, or his "base." Transiting Mars will be at 21 Taurus in Bush's 10th house, retrograde, inconjunct transiting Pluto and Bush's South node.

I'm just an amateur at astrology, and most of the insight I get is on an intuitive level. I had to run down that list above - and it was mostly stream-of-consciousness - just to see if it was as impressive in black and white as it was when I first realized the eclipse would hit his chart so closely. And I think it is. It has a very Karmic feel, with so many outer planet hits, and I've found from experience that Moon transits - let alone an Eclipse - can be a very effective timer for action, for having things in the chart manifest in reality.

Back in November I was positive that Bush's Saturn return during the election would be his downfall, but with everything that's happened since then, I realize that the Saturn return happening in the 12th was probably just the first rumblings beneath the surface. But when I see a rundown like this, with so many close hits, during an eclipse which is exactly conjunct his MC? I can't help but feel that something big - Plame indictments? Libra representing Justice? - is going to happen next Monday.

I've never done anything like this, astrologically - or at least, never posted it on the "Internets." Am I crazy? Or does anyone else see the same thing? :think:

[FreedomAngel82]

1. I don't think you're crazy

I've been feeling very excited about this. I was nervous and excited about the last election but not like this. I think you may be right and that something really big will come soon. I think we'll all be surprised at the indictments from Fitzgerald. I think someone will betray Bush. There is rumors and talks that the White House is now divided with Cheney v Rove/Bush and that Cheney was seen recently and he was very far away from Bush in the background instead of close by like he usually is. If Cheney goes down so will Bush. You can definitley sense some uncomfortableness with Bush. Usually he is a very prideful person but he hasn't had that sense in a while and has been looking really really crappy and really worn down.

[chi_girl_88]

6. Good point, Freedom Angel

Bush certainly has appeared very peevish lately - since Katrina, really.

I have a good friend who has his Ascendant in Leo one degree off from Bush's, and if I had to pick one trait of his, it's that he gets really upset if anyone questions his abilities. He prides himself on being the best at what he does, and if I don't accept that as gospel - and sometimes I try to be a "devil's advocate," for theraputic purposes - he gets very angry. He's generally a good guy, but there's an underlying sense of paranoia if you disagree with him. Not Bush, I meant my friend, but I guess it really applies to both of them.

[MissWaverly]

11. the only one who seems removed is Cheney

the rest of them all seem to be aging rapidly: Bush, I. Lewis Libby,
and especially Rove

GWB really looks older than his Dad now.

Does everyone here feel this as well.

[Trillo]

2. Good spot and read.

The Grand Square hits the base Sun of the Yod which is still formed. It looks like a rough time for him.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Could this be when the indictments come?

[robertarctor]

4. The midheaven and ascendant shouldn't change ...

... from various house systems (Koch, Placidus, etc.). It's the cusps of houses 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11 and 12 that change. The midheaven and ascendant are consistent, based on birth time and location.

[chi_girl_88]

5. Does that include Equal House?

I just realized that Astrodatabank's Bush chart has Equal Houses and they have a Taurus MC for Bush. I guess that's why I "assumed." It's been a while since I calculated charts by hand.

Maybe that's the only exception.

And since I posted yesterday, it occurred to me, doesn't the 6th house represent "subordinates"? Wouldn't that indicate that the transiting Chiron-type "wounding" (opposite Bush's Saturn in the 12th, and square the Eclipse on his MC, therefore affecting his public standing) could stem from the actions of his subordinates? Meaning, Rove?

[merbex]

7. I have the chance to see Joe Wilson at Clark University on10/17

since it is about 2 hours away I'm wondering with this post of yours if indictments are handed down whether Wilson will speak at Clark and keep his committment - I really want to see and hear Wilson in person

I'd hate to be caught in traffic during such an historic moment if indictments are handed down on 10/17-

[chi_girl_88]

8. Oh gosh

Please don't take anything I've said as gospel. I don't have any mysterious pipeline into what Fitzgerald will do. This is mostly intuition on my part, based on my knowledge of astrology.

I hope you enjoy seeing Joe Wilson speak - if the indictments do come down next Monday, it'll be a moment for history. Bring a camera, and/or, a tape recorder. Then come back and post his remarks here!

[PuraVidaDreamin]

9. Hey MerB- I'm headed to Worcester the 17 too. Costa Rica end of month

Big things alway happened when I go on vayK and
have no access to news. Nothing will happen
until the 26th, when I'm outta the country
for 2 weeks.

[merbex]

10. I'm starting to think it really could be 10/17

I read in another forum that this GJ meets only on Wed. and Fridays and it has been reported that Fitzgerald met with a judge - maybe a heads up for the fact that he is getting real close

So -

Meet on Friday get the indictments then release on Monday the start of a new week

Whatever happens he is getting close and this opportunity to see and hear Wilson is something not to be missed and I will be a little disappointed if Wilson cancels