Lighter fare: Something bizarre I heard about spirit guides a couple of months back.

[BlueIris]

What obligation do we have, as humans, to help our spirit guides, er, live it up here on Earth?

By way of explanation, I had a not-so-great "past life" reading in May, during which the reader criticized me for not living a more exciting, enjoyable life, because I wasn't allowing my guides to have the vicariously enjoyable experiences they signed on to have when they agreed to guide me.

Pardon me, but WTF? This is still bugging me two months later. I had heard a lot of things about guides by that point, including an impression by a reader famed in this forum who indicated that my guides were proud to be guiding me, boring life or not.

Do we have to help our guides "have a good time" during our lives?

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. Unknown, to me at least. I'm sure someone more experienced with guides will chime in...

Our guides are closer to us than most would imagine, and interact with us at very intimate levels, as do our teachers and those we may request to assist on certain issues. The transfer of energy, experience, support, insight, and perspective are very high-level and again, deeply intimate. We are usually not aware of this level...

Depending upon the incarnational blueprint, there are various levels of possible joy in living. We -are- expected to work on the specific incarnational issues, which may not include (or may specifically involve) joy itself. The fullest possible expression of Ourselves (within the limitations of the blueprint expectations) is the meaning and goal of life. To live in joy is to live fully. Depending upon what you're after...(I've apparently had a recent choice of an utterly despairing lifetime, completely and utterly...one may apparently not make choices which counteract the blueprint's chosen lessons, which may be any degree of the positive and negative...guides don't care about positive and negative very much, as all things are goads and guides into certain levels of knowledge and experience...so sometimes a "bad" life may be a choice to gain perspective and compassion for those who also suffer those particular experiences. A can-of-worms conversation-starter, indeed, but supposedly sometimes something chosen in order to produce a positive result.)

The good thing is, with the new energy, joy may be programmed into our systems through practices such as the Anapanasati Sutra's steps. Best luck to you...

[Shallah Kali]

2. I am totally with you - WTF!?!?!

If guides are in it for the laffs they are going to find the job sucks for most of 'em considering what most humans go through in life. Jeez. I can't imagine going to a psychic, laying down my payment and getting such a load of hooey in return. It is difficult enough to deal with whatever life hands a person without worrying OMG = I am boring the heck out of my poor guides! :crazy:

Our guides are with us because they love us. LOVE LOVE L-O-V-E us. My primary sense is empath and guess what I feel from my own and other's guides? LOVE. Dimensions and depths of love that make my human heart ache from trying to hold a minute fraction of that love that radiates from them.

[I Have A Dream]

3. +1000!

LOVE LOVE LOVE... No doubt about it.

[rucognizant]

33. Ditto!

The psychic of course IS ONLY HUMAN. Unethical to color the reading with JUDGEMENTAL STATEMENTS!

[Cleita]

4. From what you have posted about that reader, she

sounds like she didn't have much contact with the spirit world at all. Our guides are supposed to do just that guide us, inspire us and try to help us follow our path and reach our goals. The aren't supposed to be in it for a joy ride.

[mysticalchick]

9. Yep Yep Cleita

From my experience working with Guides in Spirit, they CHOOSE to work with you to assist your growth.

I've never - not once - had any of them talk about themselves or what they get out of it (although they do often speak of how much joy they get from working with people but that's it). As I understand it, theirs is not an "ego" based realm so they give without expectation, as we often do here on Earth.

I mean, really, that was just a dumbass thing to say. I second all y'alls who say this person might not be as much in touch with Spirit as s/he thinks.

[Kind of Blue]

5. I remember that and I'd still be pissed too.

I remember from my NDE, and this may not have been a guide but a friend, she was just as happy as I was when I made the decision to return. I don't think she would have been disappointed if I said, yeah, take me away but it was clear that my joy was hers.

I may have read this but after dealing with this experience for a long time, I've come away with the deep sense that some Guides are on a journey of their own. Yes, we are in their charge but they have the problem of getting through to us, like our successes are there's and it's like a notch in their belt when we listen and follow their guidance because they're always there trying.

I truly believe that the Guide process is an interactive one and Guides have Guides as well, helping them to help us. I see it as an awesome task and not a vicarious one :hug:

[Howler]

6. My Husband and I have a theory about our guides

That my guilds are all me's from every incarnation my soul has had and will have.that also includes the different me's living in other dimensions and time continuum's.That would explain the the time investment and interest.

[Cleita]

7. That's an interesting thought.

If it's true that each incarnation leaves a part of you back in the spirit world, that particular personality, it would seem possible.

[Howler]

11. Cleita

Obviously I don't know for sure LOL!!!! But I don't think my guilds are in the spirit world.
I believe that they are alive and living in different plains and dimensions in the hologram.
Because they are all me's we all work together to evolve and grow.
Its that spiral stairway mentioned by kimmerspixelated over in the fractal time thread.
Which not coincidently is the ever present helix.

[Cleita]

15. Now that's an even more interesting thought.

Keep them coming. I never really held in my mind what exactly is on the other side of our reality although I really do know of the existence of denizens of those realities because they have reacted with me in my reality in so many ways that I know they exist.

[Howler]

20. I was reading Steven Hawking

"A brief History of Time"
And on page 27 he has drawn a figure 2.4
To explain space and time .
It is the exact shape of the Chakra!!!!!......
It certainly has me thinking about the exact nature of black holes and beyond..... well EVERYTHING.
We all know patterns repeat themselves throughout creation and the universe.

P.s
when my husband gets home I will see if we can scan and post the image.
I am technically challenged (On soooooo many levels) LOL!

[Cleita]

23. Whoo! Steven Hawkings is so beyond my ability to

understand his science. Kudos to you.

[Howler]

25. Cleita

You will be able to recognize the Chakra in his illustration of space and time.
Its as clear as could be.

My husband has already left the office. As soon as he gets home I'll ask him to post the image.
LOL! his honey do list is pretty small today. LOL! So it shouldnt take long.

[Howler]

27. Here it is! Thank you Mr Howler!!!!

?t=1279829975



A Chakra!!!!! The implications are astounding Don't ya think!!!! :)

[Howler]

28. And here is a black hole image

Again in the shape of a chakra. Food for thought isn't it?.
Whats that saying "Has it is in heaven......."
Holograms!!!!!

[Oak2004]

34. That illustration is a Feynman diagram

Well known to physicists (and us former physics majors).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram

The area outside the cones of past, present, and future has a name. It's called "Elsewhere".

When flailing away in futility at a physics exam, I often wanted to be Elsewhere ;)

[Howler]

35. Snort! n/t

n/t

[Cleita]

37. Wow! I never thought of the implications until

you just brought them up.

[Howler]

38. Cleita. have you ever watched a movie called

"What the bleep do we know" Its GREAT!!!!! even better then frosted flakes. :-)

[mysticalchick]

10. Hmmm, I think this is very interesting

I plan to chat with my Guides about it but I would not be surprised -at all- if that were the case. (Hee! I see them nodding their heads yes ... if I get anything further, I'll post it for anyone who would be interested.)

In fact, I think I will turn this whole idea into a blog post over on Practically Intuitive because it's really fascinating to me. Thank you, Howler, for planting that seed!

[Howler]

13. SWEETTTTTTT!!!!!

yes !!!! Please keep me posted on what you get!!!!I would love to read your blog MysticalChick. :)

[mysticalchick]

14. You can find me (and my blog)

at http://www.practicallyintuitive.com - it's looking all fancy-schmancy now and getting better every day! :)

Come visit when you get a chance.

[Howler]

17. Bookmarked!!!

Thank You MysticalChick.I will.

[get the red out]

8. That seems backwards

I am not an expert but that just seems backwards to me. I have always read and assumed our guides were around to lead us through our 3D existence, which we have chosen to participate in during this incarnation. I didn't think I was supposed to be there Disney Land or anything. I have read that the spirit world is a vastly different and amazing dimension, so they wouldn't even need/want to live through our existence to get their fun while they are there IMO.

I mostly have nudges from my guides, but the recent times I actually have heard a guide has been to tell me something that helps me to know, but isn't anything like a weighty issue. I have no idea what that is about, times when I wish I could hear them I don't and on a few less than earth shattering issues I do. But the most recent communication showed me that the guide was indeed real, because what they told me absolutely proved correct, and I had zero way of knowing at the time.

[Howler]

12. I think We are and have always been living in a 3D existence.

Its always been about how we perceive and interact with the constant stream of consciousness.

[Cleita]

16. I think we live in more than 3D but we can't really

perceive the whole reality of our existence because of our physical limitations. For example, an amoeba in a pond lives in a greater world but the pond is the only existence it can perceive, so it may experience stuff that is done to it by us but it can't conceive an idea of us because it's beyond its experience and biological limitations to do so. I think this is our experience too. Sometimes we don't understand why things are happening to us that don't make sense but it could be that forces from those other dimensions we do occupy but can't perceive are working on us.

[Howler]

18. That feels right Cleita.

But I also feel that paradigm is about to shift and has been shifting for us in a very big way.
There have already been pioneers that have already shown us several different natures of reality.
Our brains energy fields,and nervous systems are made to sense,interact,and know so much more.
Thank goodness for Quantum physics!!!!!!
Next we will be talking about string theory. LOL!
HMMMMMMMMMMM..... wonder What will the DU science group make of that? LMAO!!!!

[Cleita]

21. Eventually science and mysticism has to become one.

It has happened before. Back before we had microscopes and could actually see bacteria, people would blame diseases on bad spirits because it was the only knowledge they had. They knew something unseen was causing disease but didn't know exactly so they guessed it was invisible spirits. We may find that science may prove one day that the spirit world and angels and other entities that are unseen to us today will be revealed as being real and it will be science that does it.

[Howler]

24. Carl Sagan and alot of accomplished physicists would agree!

In Sagan's case would have.:(

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. Guides are also well aware of our suffering and other emotions

so being a Guide must require a vast amount of experience and advancement (read: to be adequately loving and compassionate and forgiving and Patient).

[MagickMuffin]

19. My take on this subject is that "psychic" is a shyster

To tell someone that is absurd. I personally think she should be run off of business if this is how she conducts herself.

As far as our guides, they are part of our Ever Present Consciousness. They are the Master Within. They are not a subjective or objective Entity. They are part of our Spirit and therefore a part of our Soul Consciousness. When we die they / you will become part of the Cosmic Consciousness and repeat the cycle again when our time is ready to do so.

Don't let anyone ever tell you differently. Because they are full of _________!

BlueIris, even if you don't believe in what I said, please at least ignore what that other person said because it is not true. And she should be ashamed of herself for suggesting such nonsense.


:hug:




Edit: for typo

[Cleita]

22. You guys who do this legitimately should form a guild

to protect your interests. You should have stated requirements for members and testing of their abilities. Only those allowed in your guild would be certified as genuine by you and would have some kind of certification that they could hang in their place of business. It would run the shysters out of business in the long run.

[MagickMuffin]

26. I can agree with your suggestion

However, WE all have psychic abilities, they are just dormant because we deny they exist. When we deny our abilities we become stagnant in our thinking about such topics as Reincarnation, Intuition, Telepathy, among others.

That is why I reinstated my desire to get back into my Rosicrucian teachings, as they give anyone who wants to unlock their powers can use the tools they provide to do so. I "know" it is helping me in ways I can't even describe.

Next month I plan on conducting the Blue Light Experiment to view past lives. I haven't ever participated in one so it should be interesting to say the least. I'm really excited about it. I was planning on doing it tonight, but I became selfish and decided to do it in the week leading up to my birthday :spank: But actually I needed to finish getting the music together for it. So tonight I will be conducting an experiment on Telepathy.

So, far every experiment I've conducted has gone over really well. I'm really enjoying this, as it has forced me to overcome my introvertness.

[Sanity Claws]

29. Please share your Blue Light experience with us

I never heard of it.

Also share more of your Rosicrucian learning with us. I'm sure it'll spark a great deal of interest, at least for me.

[MagickMuffin]

31. Thanks for showing an interest, however, in not wanting to hijack this thread

I will post some of the experiments that have been published, at our other site. Of course this will have to be later tonight as I have to prepare for tonight's experiment.


Just the first three levels before you even reach the various degrees there are dozens of experiments to help facilitate developing your psychic powers or psychic sight. But I have a dilemma as I am using the older monographs before changes were made to them. I am learning that some of the changes are significant and it looks as though I'm going to have to practice both sets to be in tune with everyone else, because I personally like the older ones better, but that's just me.

[Howler]

32. I'm with Sanityclaws! :)

I wanna know what happens in your journey tonight too.




BTW love the name Sanityclaws.:)

[Howler]

36. Well.At the risk of totally humiliating myself. if i havent already...

let me go WAY way out on a limb here:



Expanding on the theory that our guides are us in different space/time dimensions.



Each soul has certain innate talents and understandings and perceptions to work through over lifetimes as a concept/part of its soul expression, so when you conscientiously work on expanding and improving your understanding, you are evolving in your current incarnation. I believe that this evolution also helps you help create clarity and continuation for your alternate incarnations in parallel dimensions and helps guide concepts that they are working on and developing. Even your past life incarnations, which actually can exist simultaneously with you in a parallel dimension, keep expanding on the pieces of the puzzle and contribute to the WHOLE concept your soul is bringing into fruition. I further believe that these advances not only improve your incarnations, but that they also help bring additional clarity, detail and substance to the whole hologram and they help bring a greater self realization and expansion to the “God Energy” though I prefer to call it Tao these days.



One of the metaphysical theories of the hologram states that if you were to break off a piece of the hologram and look at it it would look like a complete mini version of the whole hologram.



It has been shown with Kilian photography that a portion of a leaf can be removed and the shape of the whole leaf will still show

[Lindsey]

39. I have never, ever heard of that. It sounds like crap to me. I'd

be p.o.'d. I've had quite a few readings - some great, some not so great but once again, I've never heard of anything along those lines. I've always heard our Spirit Guides are here to assist us on Planet Earth. I agree with what someone else posted, she sounds like a real shyster to me.