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teenagebambam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:56 AM
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So, remember when PC said...
....that full equality for gays and lesbians (i.e. Marriage Equality) was coming sooner than anyone expected? It has been weighing heavily on my mind recently, even before last week's business in Maine. I know PC is but a fond memory, but does anyone else have any vibes that might bolster my optimism?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:18 PM
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1. PC also said that single payer insurance or Medicare for all would
be passed as health care reform and she was wrong.

My vibes are that it will be an uphill battle for gays for quite awhile. On a mundane level, there is more at work here than just doing the right thing. The churches are too heavily influential in politics these days as evidence by the California and Maine votes against gay marriage and the abortion amendment in the House health bill. Until the churches are made to understand that the separation of church and state means that they shouldn't be involved in politics, there will be this meddling because they have so much money to make things happen their way. I believe it's time to send the IRS after them for taxes because they are in violation of the Constitution and should lose their tax free status. I also believe pigs will fly first. So here is your dilemma dear teenagebambam. It's the institutionalized Christian Churches that are your enemy at the present. I believe some activism to make our elected officials to put them back in their place will help in the future, but for now it's an uphill battle.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 02:14 PM
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8. Hi,
IIRC PC Is a 'they' more than a 'she'
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 02:17 PM
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9. Yes, PC represents multiple people. nt
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 03:34 PM
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11. Hi IHAD!
:hug:
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:24 PM
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2. I am sensing that ....
once this Health care issue is resolved, soon after you will see some immediate action on Marriage equality. I feel things are already happening behind the scenes to rectify this. I know it feels like we are taking one step forward and two steps back, but take heart, it will happen, sooner than later. I really believe this. Our President has promised so much to so many, and I feel he is just walking forward on all of his promises, "One step at a time" Keep the faith....we will all prevail!!
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:05 PM
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3. I agree
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 11:06 PM by get the red out
I have sensed for quite a while that once the health care issue was resolved then DADT would be repealed. But I agree with what was stated above that the Churches are so embedded in our political system and society, with questioning them still being almost forbidden, that gays will still suffer with fewer rights than the rest of us and women's rights will continue to be under threat.

Religion has become the enemy of progress and freedom in this country. I absolutely believe this with everything in me. And most Christian Churches in this country are little more than political action committees for the Republican Party, which is the lap dog of the big corporations. I guess the mega corps foresee some loss in profits for gay couples to legally be able to function as couples rather than to be forced to act as individuals under the law. Has to be the money. It's all about power and money.

Keep the faith, the Democrats are really all anyone has, and I believe they live in fear of upsetting the monolithic monster known as Religion in this country because if they do it too much, that monster will rally it's troops and who knows what the outcome would be?

I have no doubt we will hear dog whistles for "revolution" coming from their mouthpieces over the House voting in favor of health care reform.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:29 AM
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4. I was reading somehwere on DU today,
that part of the health bill passed last night includes medical benefits for domestic partners, married or otherwise!! Hoot hoot !!! Three cheers for us, their heads are probably ready to blow up by now. I have never seen such verbal anger vented on the house floor over a vote in all my life!! I believe this is just the beginning of equal rights for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters!!!:bounce:
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Kookaburra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:27 AM
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5. Maybe PCs timing was different...
what I mean is "sooner than expected" doesn't really specify any timeline, and it could be that they weren't getting a clear time frame. I know when I ask "when?" usually spirit will not cooperate with specifics.

Keep the faith Bambam. I feel that equality for everyone will be here soon. Alas, I don't get a timeline either, but I do feel we will see it.

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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:21 AM
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6. The wild card
If the Supreme Court were to tip to the left at some point during Obama's administration all those state anti-marriage equality laws could be suddenly declared unconstitutional. If that were to happen, and it's a big fat "IF", we would suddenly see gay people finally being given equal rights all over the country at one time, even in the theocratic-leaning south and the US Theocracy of Utah.

And Fundie heads would blow sky high!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:44 PM
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7. Want Marriage Equality? Show Me the Money!
(...)
A year after the Supreme Court struck down anti-miscegenation laws across the country in 1967, a Gallup poll revealed that 73 percent were still against mixed-race marriages. If a ballot measure could overturn a U.S. Supreme Court ruling, we'd still be arguing about blacks and whites marrying one another. Putting the rights of a minority up for majority vote is never a good idea. This is what you come up with — division, continuing hatred, and millions of dollars and valuable human effort being wasted on ballot measures meant to keep a minority down. Sometimes the law must be the law, whether the majority agrees or not.

African-Americans and women enjoy their civil rights now, but that doesn't mean the majority like it — but they must abide by the law, or else. Gay and lesbian rights should be enjoying the same protection from the tyranny of the masses, but, for some reason, we've arrived at a place in history where we don't want "activist judges" (like those in Loving v. Virginia) forcing us to be nice to and accepting of one another.

The hypocrisy of what happened in Maine is being overlooked by everyone, especially the mainstream media. While a majority of Mainers were voting to strip rights from their fellow citizens, the good folks in Ohio were voting to legalize another form of immorality: gambling. That same One News Now story that gleefully reports that queers were put back in their place yet again, noted this without comment.

In Ohio, voters approved a measure that will allow casinos in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Toledo. Four similar measures had been defeated in recent years, but this time the state's reeling economy gave extra weight to arguments that the new casinos would create thousands of jobs.

Where, may I ask, is the outrage at this little piece of immorality getting passed? I have scoured the newspapers in Ohio looking for the religious outrage that four casinos will now be built around that state. What did I find? Zip. Nada. Nothing. There are no special religious outfits fighting against this measure – no out-of-state money – no religious rallies condemning the evils of gambling – no fear-mongering television ads or public preaching against how gambling tears families apart and leads to other forms of immorality. Zero.
(...)

The gay and lesbian community needs to pay attention. When the masses are hurting for money and jobs, their "moral" convictions and religious ferver are the first babies to be tossed with the bathwater. The good news for the gay and lesbian community is this: we have proof – studies – that show that marriage equality would be a boon to the economy.

A recent study concluded that marriage equality in Vermont would bring the state $3.3 million in revenue over three years.

But, that's not all. The study found that jobs could be created as well:
The weddings of same-sex couples will generate new economic activity for the state's businesses:
Spending by resident same-sex couples on their weddings and by out-of-state couples on tourism and their weddings will boost Vermont's economy by $30.6 million in direct spending over the next three years. Over the next three years, the direct spending by resident and out-of-state same-sex couples will create approximately 700 new jobs in Vermont. (...)

http://www.religiondispatches.org/blog/sexandgender/1999/want_marriage_equality_show_me_the_money!__


Excellent perspectives on marriage equality.

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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 02:34 PM
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10. Great post WS !!!
I say a hearty AMEN. Hypocracy at it's utmost!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:19 PM
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12. PC said that it would require work and rallying. I don't see a lot of that going on
although I admit that I only gain such awareness through the (highly crippled) media. There was a story on the news a few days ago about gay marriage, although I don't remember what it said (been extremely low energy lately). I'm sure that there is a lot going on, but it needs to be -unignorable-. And not off-putting. You don't want to add to such bias.

I'll again add equality to my prayers. It's long past time for it to happen!
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:22 AM
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13. there is a lot of spiritual resistance now, but it's a delay in the grand scheme of things.
what is being fomented is actual action within the hearts of those who have long faltered in sloth. it is the rectification of karma for those inactive in their own lives. further, some regions will need to go through their own karma first before things will get better.

i see a lot of the problems of late, gay rights, healthcare, etc., as fear manifesting from realization of change (and it's being whipped up too, as a bulwark against the coming shift), so it is all expressing itself now. sorta like the last gasps and flailing of the drowning. however this is an attrition battle that cannot be won; the change will occur.

but change won't occur fast enough in our time from our collective sitting on our asses, either. ;)
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:59 PM
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15. Yes, it appears that as the vibration ramps up, things like equality will simply begin to make
more sense than they had.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:40 PM
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14. This will do your heart good ..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7025988


10-Year-Old, Won't Pledge Allegiance To A Country That Discriminates Against Gays (VIDEO)
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 11:35 AM by romantico
WOW! This kid was raised right! How soon before the right wing attacks him? This kid is AWESOME!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/10-year-old-wont-pledge-a_n_355709.html
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