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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:07 PM
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2012 Show on SyFy - November 8, 2009
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:13 PM by Why Syzygy
Massive earthquakes. Giant tidal waves. Super volcanoes exploding. Raging firestorms. These are just a few visions of a global apocalypse that some say will happen on December 21, 2012. That's when the eerily accurate Mayan calendar will come to a sudden end. That ancient calendar is causing a modern day panic. People around the world fear that our planet faces a catastrophe never seen before in human history.

What can we do to prepare for 2012-and what has already been done? New theories are emerging that the U.S. and other governments may have conspired to hide the disturbing facts from the public, in part to prevent global panic. Some are claiming the U.S. government actually has a secret project to try and prevent an Apocalypse. A few aren't waiting for the government to solve the problem. They take these dire predictions so seriously they're preparing for the worst ... selling their homes and moving to undisclosed locations across the globe.

But there is dispute about what that mysterious Mayan date really means. Some say it's not a new Armageddon, but the dawn of a New Age.

So, what is the truth behind 2012?

Join host Lester Holt as he explores whether the ancient Mayans predicted a possible cataclysm in 2012-and if they could be right. The key to understanding 2012, and possibly surviving it, could be hidden halfway around the world beneath the desert sands. We will travel to Egypt with a mission to discover an ancient Hall of Records believed buried near the pyramids that could reveal secret knowledge about past cataclysms and clues about how we might be able to avert future ones. We'll also travel to Central America on a mission to discover the origins of the 2012 prophesy and to find out what it's authors really intended. We will use clues from ancient knowledge combined with modern-day science to uncover the mysteries 2012. It is a race against the clock and mankind's very existence could hang in the balance.

Is this a prophecy a death sentence...or perhaps merely a warning? Is there be time to save ourselves? Join us as we attempt to find out the truth behind 2012.

http://www.syfy.com/2012/index.php

David Wilcock and Graham Hancock are expected to participate.

*The end of the 7th Day of the Mayan calendar ends on October 28, 2011 (not 12/21/12).
The 6th Night begins on November 7, 2009.

http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/risk_of_2012.htm
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:22 PM
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1. If it's on Siffy, it's sensationalized.
Hell, if it's on Discovery or History channels, it's sensationalized.

Now if Nova or Frontline were to do documentaries on this "event" it would be worth watching :)
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 09:38 PM
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2. Well, I don't know. I really enjoyed Holt's documentary
on the Mystery of the Crystal Skulls when Syfy was Sci Fi. I remember him saying something about being an NBC anchor, he tries not to be a news snob and to ask tough questions. Well, Syfy and NBC are owned by the same corporation and Crystal Skulls documentary coincided with the last Indiana Jones, so I wonder if this has a connection to something else coming up. The one Holt did on the Bermuda Triangle I thought was so boring, kept putting me to sleep. I'll check this one out though.

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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 09:46 PM
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5. Well, maybe they've gotten better,
but I've been turned off by the lack of good investigating for so long that I just don't tune in for those channels any longer. In the really early days of both The Learning Channel and Discovery you would see really good documentaries and such. Now it's all about "extreme" and "reality" shows. I only ever see what's on SciFi when Stargate is on ;)
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:13 PM
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7. Yeah, you're right about that.
Syfy seems to try to get some documentaries. The last one on The Possessed had some promise but it was such a mishmash of sensationalism interlaced with good ghost hunting type investigative segments. The other Children of the Grave wasn't bad. At least you have some discretion, I'm just like a moth to a flame and just can't resist stuff extra normal :9
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:18 PM
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16. I feel the same way on the "investigating"
I love some of the actual shows on Sci Fi (Warehouse 13, Stargate) but when they, the History Channel, or the Discovery Channel do an "investigation" of some topic I consider interesting and non-fiction, I make a point of not tuning in. It is always sensationalized to the max and pandering to the end of the world crowd, or it goes the opposite way and has some real guys who do serious investigation having their interviews chopped to pieces followed by the inevitable "expert" screaming swamp gas every breath as the final conclusion of the show.

I am not into doomsdayers, for one thing they have never been correct yet, LOL! And for another, it just plays into what the right is trying to create in our society right now which is fear and an actual desire for the "end times". That is all just sick shit as far as I am concerned. I am fully capable of creating my own sick shit in my mind, I don't need to borrow anyone else's.

:rant: Sorry about the rant, this is one of my pet peeves about television.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:19 PM
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8. This interests me ...
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 10:20 PM by Why Syzygy
We will travel to Egypt with a mission to discover an ancient Hall of Records believed buried near the pyramids that could reveal secret knowledge about past cataclysms and clues about how we might be able to avert future ones.

They make it sound like they might actually open the Hall. THAT's what I'm wanting to see!
If they just point to the foot of the Sphinx, rip off.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 02:22 PM
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17. I am jaded, I know
I get a mental image of a huge build up about what might be under the Sphinx, with all kinds of ground penetrating radar, then everyone on the scene gets the swine flu and the end it with the inevitable and well-used "We may never know......."

I really wish we could get real and public investigation of such things as the Hall of Records, I am with you, I think there may be something to it. I believe there was probably a civilization on Earth that pre-dates anything we officially know and that the ancient Egyptians probably had some things that had been left to them by those people. Just something that makes sense in my head, anyway.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 09:40 PM
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3. Thanks for the heads up, Why Syzygy.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 09:45 PM
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4. Gaaahhhh!
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

:rofl:

I'm gaahing at the sensationalism, not you, WS! :hi: If David Wilcock and Graham Hancock are participating, then the sensationalism has been reserved for the show blurbs and commercials to drag people into it, as well as the first five or 10 minutes of Panic City, and then the rest of the time is spent talking people OFF the ledge that the blurbs like these and the commercials put viewers ON in the first place.

A form of bait-and-switch common to Siffie and Discovery and all the other networks that air shows about the apocalypse on a regular basis, and one I should be immune to by now, but all the same... :banghead:
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:20 PM
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9. I was just wondering what MorningGlow
would think about this :rofl:

Still reading your article. You are thorough but definitely not dry, good humor comes through!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:21 PM
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10. Aww . come on ..
A good doomsday only comes around every 1,000 years :sarcasm:
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:00 PM
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6. I'm watching, as I'm an admirer of both Wilcock and Hancock. Don't watch
SyFy much (in fact, I didn't know they were no longer SciFi!), so I'm not aware of how they treat material like this. Even if it's sensationalistic, and bait-and-switch, I'm impressed that David and Graham are on.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:49 AM
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14. I think I made a mistake...
Rather than Hancock, I'm now thinking it is Richard Hoagland who will appear with David.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 11:05 PM
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11. Some interesting reading on this:
"PLANETARY VISIONS" DURING NDEs

It is difficult to move from the universe of hard objective facts into the shadowy world of Near-Death Experiences (NDEs). Nevertheless, NDEs have elements of consistency across a wide spectrum of percipients. Mainstream scientists always explain NDEs in reductionist terms: they are merely the consequence of physiological changes taking place in the dying person's brain. Parapsychologists are more open-minded. They wonder if being near death breaks down a barrier separating the everyday, objective world from a spiritual one. If their intuition is correct, there is the thought that, by breaching this barrier during NDEs, the percipients might transcend our usual confines of time and space. At these moments, "planetary visions" beyond the moment might occur; that is, prophecy!

Before chucking this issue of SF, "hard" scientists should recognize that the foregoing surmise can be tested, not as rigorously as measuring the electron's charge, but still a test of sorts.

K. Ring has collected testimonies of these so-called "planetary visions" from individuals who had been clinically dead for more than 10 minutes, but who were subsequently revived (obviously!). Typical of Ring's collected testimonies was this from a 17-year-old NDE percipient:

"I was informed that mankind was breaking the laws of the universe and as a result of this would suffer. This suffering was not due to the vengeance of an indignant God but rather like the pain one might suffer as a result of...defying the law of gravity. It was to be an inevitable educational cleansing of the earth...

"At the end of this general period of transition, mankind was to be "born anew" with a new sense of his place in the universe."


Surveying his collection of like testimony, Ring generalized:

"Surprising commonalities in these visions predicted a rising tide of natural, economic, and political crises culminating around 1988. Unless human beings turned toward God, took better care of the planet and each other, an apocalyptic cleansing would occur, possibly including a nuclear war, followed by the long promised New Age."

1988 has passed and we are still here. Is there objective evidence that humans mended their ways and averted the promised "cleansing? A.S. Alschuler, the author of this provocative paper thinks so, and he produces four graphs to prove his point. Each addresses a concern transmitted via people who experienced NDEs: (1) production of chlorofluorocarbons; (2) nuclear arsenal levels; (3) weapons exports; and (4) the number of peacekeeping missions. (We reproduce only two of Alschuler's graphs.) All four graphs show global "sea changes" commencing about 1988! In other words, collective humanity did reform enough to avert disaster! But how were these atypical human actions initiated and organized? Alschuler suggests "collective psychokinesis."

(Alschuler, Alfred S.; "When Prophecy Succeeds: Planetary Visions Near Death and Collective Psychokinesis," American Society for Psychical Research, Journal, 90:292, 1996.)

Comment. Alschuler evidently supposes that the Gulf War and massacres in Bosand Africa are merely "ripples" following the 1988 "sea change"!

From all this, we have to recognize that human inquiry exists in many guises -- and they are certainly not all alike in their approach to the unknown. NDEs and collective psychokinesis are just as valid concepts in parapsychology as electrons are in physics.


Also, from the excellent NDE site Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife:

The NDE and the Future
Kevin Williams' research conclusions


A Successful Apocalyptic Prophecy Is One That Doesn't Happen

The goal of apocalyptic prophecy is to warn people to prevent it from happening. The reason prophecies are given to humanity is to change current trends and change enough people so that the prophecy will be diverted. Well-known prophecies that were foretold to occur around the millennium have not happened. Skeptics point out that this proves these prophecies to be false. But a better understanding of prophecy reveals that either (1) or (2) is true:

(1) The prophecy was successful in permanently diverting the outcome by the raising of the world's consciousness.

(2) Because the prophecy gives an exact date, the prophecy may still be valid and the date may be wrong.


Prophecies from very credible sources rarely give an exact date. Even Jesus said he didn't know the date and time when he would return. This should be a lesson to everyone who comes across a prophecy with an exact date. (Kevin Williams)

There's a lot to read there and it's worth sifting through it all, even when many predict cataclysms. Although, in some ways, more volcanic activity would be good for the planet as such things counteract global warming...
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 01:03 AM
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12. I am looking forward to David Wilcock's part...
Seems as though they have some interesting people....Jenkins, Schock & Hoagland. I tend to think too, from what David has been saying (IF SyFy is to be trusted...:eyes: ) that they may have been using the scare tactics to draw people in but will give more time to the more positive speakers....

Guess we'll see!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:50 AM
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15. Hoagland ..
I said Hancock.. should have been Hoagland.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 08:01 PM
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19. Hoagland's okay too! (though I'm a bit disappointed Hancock won't be on!) nt
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:49 PM
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21. Do you think this will be online
after it is aired? My house mate has pulled out his rage sickness tonight. I want to just stay in my room.
gawd He's an ASS!
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:59 AM
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26. I would think Syfy would rerun it a couple of times this week. It may be on
YouTube--if so I'll try to catch it (if Syfy doesn't show it again). Yesterday evening I fell asleep while reading on the sofa, and missed the whole thing! However, reading David's blog, it doesn't sound as if I missed much. More doom and gloom than positive material. David was trying to be philosophical about how much of his material didn't make it into the show.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:17 PM
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28. I caught the last 1/2 hour
and read David's blog as well. I'm curious about the show the Discovery channel did too.
It sounds like all these show may just be hype for the movie. Huge disappointment, that is.
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Callie McAllie Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 08:16 AM
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13. My son is starting to get a little freaked out by all this apocalyptic hype
I wish someone could start painting the picture of life after 12/21/2012 as just new and different instead of, like, over.

I suppose that wouldn't attract as many viewers/readers/suckers, though.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 02:54 PM
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18. A timely kick for tonite's show!
Looking forward to it...sure hope its not all about doom & gloom!

I'm sure David Wilcock's part won't be - unless syfy messes with it.

:)
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 08:26 PM
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20. I can't watch until 10 PM
because the COWBOYS are on (I'm not watching/house mate). x(

The Discovery channel has a 2012 show on tonight too.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=1.403.26090.0.0
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:53 PM
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22. Watched most of this
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 10:55 PM by get the red out
I was busy trying to finish knitting my first sock (ok it's somewhat sock-shaped) but I kept getting the feeling that the whole purpose of the show was as a promotional for the movie, almost like it was an ad. I wasn't aware that Richard Hoagland had bought into the complete doom scenario for 2012, I have always been at least intrigued by his work in the past.

I feel like the motive was to play up the disaster theories in order to get people excited about the disaster in the movie. Not much about any positive possibilities, just some lip service.

This is the only show with subject matter off the beaten path, shall we say, that I have ever watched where the "skeptics" didn't bother me in the least.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:00 PM
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23. Bummer.
If I don't get to see it, that will be okay then. What about David Wilcock?
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:40 AM
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24. It's repeating right now.
I wish I had known it was going to loop right into another reshowing, or I wouldn't have missed my show at 10PM "brothers and Sisters" Love that one! They gave David Wilcock very little play, so I was disappointed. More doom and gloom than New Age. Live and learn...it did seem to be playing up to promoting the movie that should scare the crap out of a lot of people! I found it vaguely entertaining, but not what I had hoped for.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:17 AM
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25. What a disappointment.
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 01:17 AM by Desertrose
Was on David's live blog on his website divinecosmos.com . I think he was rather disappointed, too , considering all the "promises" they made him.

Not surprised considering SyFy (I hate typing their stupid new name,:grr: ) is owned by NBC who is owned by GE, who brings you such fine pre=oducts from these holdings: GE Aircraft Engines, GE Commercial Finance, GE Consumer Products,GE Industrial Systems,GE Insurance,GE Medical Systems, GE Plastics , GE Power Systems , GE Specialty Materials& GE Transportation Systems.

Still, it was good seeing David and some of the others...the spin & lies continue. *sigh* (for now.)
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hermetic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:03 AM
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27. Don't have cable
so wasn't able to see it, BUT, I just read David's live blog about it here: http://tinyurl.com/y9h3ubd

What a great read. This was much better than watching it and I recommend it to everyone. It is FULL of good info and there will be a new production soon, 2012 Event Horizon, which I think we're all going to want to see, unlike the disaster movie.

Wilcock says, "Clearly we're in a battle of information, and this television special is not getting out any of the things I want humanity to know. Therefore it is incumbent upon us to take the battle into our own hands, and harness the power of the Internet to get the word out. I am very glad we have this resource, as if it were only the mainstream media at this point, I'd say we'd be in sorry shape."

Thanks, WS, for bringing this to my attention.
:hug:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:27 PM
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29. I haven't watched yet....

so I'll spare myself and read this. Thanks WS and Hermetic. :)

:grouphug:

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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:02 PM
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30. Aww, such bad reviews. Was gonna settle in and
watch it tonight but will read Wilcock blog first. Goes to figure there is a tie-in to the movie just like their last one about the Crystal Skull and the Indian Jones movie.

Thanks Hermetic for the Wilcock link!
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:35 PM
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31. Missed it, but checking out David Wilcock's blog
Love this part: Now we have Zahi Hawass talking about the labyrinth, knocking down the idea that there is such a thing. "If I go and excavate at Hawara, I will not discover anything."

Stonewalling bastid's up to his old tricks. :grr:

Although Hawass was quoted as saying there was nothing there, it's pretty clear in this part of the documentary that they found some intriguing suggestions of actual monuments under the sand, and that it definitely should be examined in more detail -- and excavated.

Agree. :applause:
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:33 AM
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32. Zahi drives me crazy.....
Stonewalling bastid indeed. :grr:

He's so darn sure there's nothing ...bet he knows exactly whats there and wants to keep it all for Egypt...plus it would so mess with the *THE OFFICIAL TIMELINE*
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:38 AM
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33. Me too
I'm a pacifist, but when I see him on documentaries, pooh-poohing any new ideas with that smug grin on his face, I just want to slap the shit out of him.
:rofl:
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