I'm sick of the red state bashing on DU

[LDS Jock]

I understood it to a point after the election. People were angry and putting the blame somewhere. But enough is enough. It is still going on. This posted today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2052988

Who else has had enough?

[Laelth]

1. I'm still sympathetic to the blue-staters.

Heck, I'm considering moving to a blue state, if not Canada. All of us, blue-staters and red-staters alike are looking for some kind of explanation for what we can't believe--that America is either blind enough or insane enough to elect George Bush. Personally, I have a lot of sympathy for those who say the election was stolen, and that Americans are neither blind nor insane. On the other hand, if Bush did win, and many of us are starting to face that reality, some explanation is required just so we can get some sleep at night. We need to make sense of what happened.

So, you see a lot of people suggesting (as I did above) that Bush-voters are either blind or insane. I don't take it personally. A "red state" is just a metaphor for a "Bush-supporter." Everybody knows that there are a lot of good dems. down here in the South (and in other red states too). They're just expressing outrage (and I share that outrage with them).

And in reference to the thread you cited, the poster is mostly correct. Schools are, generally, better in the blue states. The red-staters do tend to be more overweight. The red states are more likely to have capital punishment too. I could go on ...

It's not the blue-staters fault that the red states are (by comparison) quite backwards.

-Laelth

[Nicole]

2. I'm with ya! Sick of it!

We don't need the repukes to beat us down, many of our party members are doing it for them!

[JohnKleeb]

3. agh

[LDS Jock]

4. is that a yes agh? or a no agh?

the wrong answer gets a speedo pic

[JohnKleeb]

6. agh in as I am sick and tired of that shit

[Frogtutor]

5. Me, too, but this kind of cheered me up!

Last I looked at it, there were four or five replies, all from voices of reason! I felt like they kind of put the original poster in his/her place without getting hostile or whiny. Kudos to those posters!

:toast:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2736115

[AlFrankenFan]

7. edit: in post #5 the thread I originally had posted in this post n/t

[RedEarth]

8. yep,...I just put them on ignore....

over the last several weeks my ignore list has grown substanially....if people are so simple-minded to continue to bash red states, I don't have a bit of interest in seeing what they post.

[Texasgal]

9. I cannot tell you just how damn tired i am of it

It's WORTHLESS conversation!

let's face it, the blue staters need a good red state to win an election in '08.

It won't help if we are divided within.

It's useless and discouraging conversation.

[LDS Jock]

10. I find this thread amusing.. check it out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2076487

Look at the flame war it started, due to stereotyping. The difference is this stereotyping was about all liberals, which we all fall into. The red state bashing is so much more fun because they don't live in red states or have red state connections. I'm not saying the other thread is bad. In fact I found it kinda funny. But if it were posted over and over in one form or another it would NOT be funny. That is what happens with the red state bashing. The posts just seem to keep coming. They have finally slowed down now, but it certainly took long enough.

[QC]

11. You know, the person who started that thread lives in

a state that only very, very narrowly went for Kerry. Michigan is also the most segregated state in the country (seriously) and has enough gun nuts and militia types to make David Koresh proud.

Yet she feels free to post the shit she posted despite all that. It nicely sums up the excruciating smugness and hypocrisy of the more self-righteous blue-staters here.

[RedEarth]

12. Michigan is also the home of Terry Nichols

He was born and raised there and his brother(along with the other Michigan militia) still live there. Timothy McVeigh was born and raised in another blue state...New York. BTW, Bush spent the the majority of his early years in the Northeast...not in Texas.

[really annoyed]

14. That Is True

However, it doesn't mean you get to ignore the fact that you've got the same problems in the South. Sorry, that sounded rude, didn't mean it that way...

What I WANT to say.... We have these problems in pretty much every state in the U.S. and we should do our best to work against them. Being a "blue" or "red" state doesn't really matter. There is racism in Michigan - and lately, we are the butt of every joke in the media. However, there is still racism in the South. We must deal with these problems wherever they exist.

There are a lot of Southerners in Michigan - if you can believe that! I think a lot of them have moved up here to retire.

On edit - I forgot my manners and I forgot how to spell. :)

[QC]

16. That's precisely my point.

People who point at the problems in other places while ignoring those closer to home are either dishonest or fools. In either case, they have nothing to say worth listening to.

[Lefty48197]

19. Kerry routed Bush in Michigan

.

[QC]

20. Kerry took Michigan by slightly more than 3 points.

51.23-47.81%. That's a margin of 165,437 out of 4,792,929 cast.

Hardly a rout.

[Neoma]

13. i actually agree with the blue stater's

but then i live in a bad part of the south.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

15. I hear ya. Check this out, though:

I work in small office (seven people,including myself). Some freeper at the office (who I guess would be the equivalent of me if he were a Democrat...as in passionate about his politics) had printed out some stuff from a website that was called something like ProGOP.com . There was stuff about not buying from places that supported MoveOn.org. In a way, we do the same thing about not wanting to buy from companies that support the GOP; HOWEVER, THE GOP HAS ALL THE POWER!! HOW MUCH MORE DO THESE F*CKERS WANT??!!! I took the pages and threw them out.

I would report him (I have a suspicion who printed them out), but it wouldn't do any good, because I'm one of two people who are Dems in the office. The two bosses are big-time freepers (note: I try not to make a practice of talking politics at the office, but I've been there for 5 1/2 years, and during the 2000 election, things got pretty ugly. I figured out where people stood politically.

[Politicub]

17. I'm not sick of it

and I live in Georgia, one of the reddest of the backward red states.

[DemBones DemBones]

18. Masochist, huh? nt

[flaminbats]

21. red state bashing...

I live in a red state, many of those whom I love and care for voted differently than I did in the last election.

Why should we blame voters in the blue states or they blame us when Republicans loose? Isn't it time to give credit where credit is due...the American voter? Abolish the electoral college and this is done!

[carolinayellowdog]

22. SNL film on Santa in the red states

Last weekend helped me see the whole thing in a comic rather than tragic light.

[Machiavelli05]

23. Most Blue staters dont understand

That many red states, especially in the South arent red by more than 10 pts

Which means theyre generalizing the beliefs of everyone in that state based on 55% of their votes... and even some of them dont actually understand or believe what theyre voting when they vote Bush.

They also dont realize that 45% of the votes in their state were for Bush...

[radric]

24. Being a Southerner..

hasn't been easy since 1865. Being a Southerner and a Democrat on DU makes you realize that stereotypes and bigots are more easily found outside the South.

[Machiavelli05]

25. agreed

While technically I am both not a southerner and also I am a southerner.. b/c I live and was raised south of the Mason Dixon Line (in MD) I am geographically from the south, but many would say I am socially NOT from the south.
80% of my family is from tennessee though.

I understand how people outside the south perceive the region... I am one of the few people that I know, who really didnt grow up in the deep south that understands how reconstruction wasnt the Marshal plan of the 1860s

[carolinayellowdog]

26. You're too generous on one hand and not enough on the other

Hey,

First, you have no basis for saying that *most* blue staters don't understand the difference between 55% and 100% just because a handful of hateful DUers don't. But second, those hateful DUers surely *do* understand the difference, and simply pretend not to in order to attack Southerners in general.

CYD

[Machiavelli05]

27. Perhaps my "most" characterization is unfair...

Is "many" a bit more accurate.

[OKNancy]

28. I'm a little subversive

I always turn the tables on LBN stories.
You know the kind? Some event like child rape happens in a red state and people post slams against the south or red states. When I see something like that in a blue state...I always point it out. :evilgrin:

Like here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1143508

[radric]

29. I think they did their best to avoid..

noticing your post :). Now had that happened in a Southern state the amount of venom and hate would have gone over 100+ posts...

[LDS Jock]

30. lol.. thats pretty funny

[Kipepeo]

31. It depends

That particular post doesn't bother me...I take it as a joke...an obvious conflation of stereotypes for a laugh.

If someone has certain stupid ideas about all southerners it usually comes out, and not in a joke thread either. But I don't see a lot of those people on DU. For the most part I think people are well aware that red state liberals are the most important to the party, obviously, and have to put up with the most shit.

Just my 2 cents. :shrug: