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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 09:40 AM Original message |
Why Johnny Can't Code |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. "only a decade or so ago..." |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
38. Learning BASIC back in Jr. High is why I can even comprehend how |
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harlinchi (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. Learning to develop today is facilitated by OO exposure. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. One might make the argument that OO requires some "maturity..." |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-16-06 05:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. C and Pascal are not functional languages! |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-16-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. True, that. Probably should have stuck with "3gl" |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-16-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. C++ and Java are also 3GL |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Nonsense. |
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harlinchi (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Not that a Basic programmer would encounter such terms but... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. It would be the logical result of anyone looking deeply-enough into ANY... |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
24. I did fortran on punched cards. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. You're lucky! |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. IBM 1130 (I think) using FORTRAN in 1967 |
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GAspnes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-21-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. those were the good old days |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 07:21 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Me either. |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. Almost all PC's could, with open source software, |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Um, hello? |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Personally, having spent my entire life writing software |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. We keep writing the same software again and again, depending on |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Ain't that the trewth. :) It's like Sisyphus! |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. It's better than flipping burgers at MickeyDs. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. I'll play devils advocate here... |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. I used to teach CS (for 5 years)... |
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mccoyn (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
40. The only reason for Johnny to learn basic is he might actually like it. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
4. having also been one of 'those' kids who learned to program in BASIC |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. HTML isn't line by line, though. |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. I do! |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:54 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. My friend had a "Trash-80" :) |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Totally! You're making me all misty-eyed... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. Javascript is too baroque to be used for instruction. |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. I disagree. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-18-06 01:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Yeah, very good example. See how that works? |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Good point... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. But being able to write text in a mark-up language isn't programming. |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. What Tesha said. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. I miss BASIC |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
9. Well I think BASIC is a good teaching language |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. It just occurred to me, Python would be another solution of that kind. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Python or Perl are both excellent choices for teaching programming. (NT) |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
10. Certain companies decided they wanted a strict boundary drawn |
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mccoyn (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. And people bought the computers that didn't require programming knowledge. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
18. Visual Basic or VBA. RealBASIC. Lots of alternatives. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. These days I prefer Python to Perl. More consistent in it's constructs. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I think I probably agree with you, but haven't done enough in Python yet. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Yeah, too many people running around naked in Perl. |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-15-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Perl? Quirky? |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
39. I think, perhaps, the larger point is being missed ... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. In the beginning was the command line. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Fargin' Brilliant!!! |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-17-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. My pleasure. One of my faves. nt |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-19-06 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
49. There is a misperception here |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-19-06 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
50. I learned on GWBASIC. Took a long time to break those bad habits. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-19-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. It.Depends.Which.BASIC |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-19-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I look at that Democratic Underground "duboard.php?=" |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-19-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I thought VAX Basic a rather good language. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-20-06 08:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Thank you, I agree. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-20-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Yes, on all points. |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-19-06 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
54. Three of Nicolas Wirth's languages were designed with teaching in mind |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-20-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. About C++... |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-20-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I've kept my Silver Book. Pascal was a wonderful thing. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
61. Python is a reasonable replacement |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-22-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Quick Python Overview for Johnny's old BASIC dad... |
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