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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 08:31 PM
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Interesting article on the early Solar System
Edited on Fri Aug-25-06 08:33 PM by Odin2005
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Aug06/cataclysmDynamics.html




Red = Jupiter
Orange = Saturn
Purple = Uranus
Blue = Neptune

Wandering Gas Giants and Lunar Bombardment

There may have been a dramatic event early in the history of the Solar System--the intense bombardment of the inner planets and the Moon by planetesimals during a narrow interval between 3.92 and 3.85 billion years ago, called the late heavy bombardment, but also nicknamed the lunar cataclysm. The evidence for this event comes from Apollo lunar samples and lunar meteorites. While not proven, it makes for an interesting working hypothesis. If correct, what caused it to happen?

A group of physicists from the Observatoire de la Côte d'Azur (Nice, France), GEA/OV/Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro and Observatório Nacional/MTC (Rio de Janeiro, Brazil), and the Southwest Research Institute (Boulder, Colorado) conducted a series of studies of the dynamics of the early Solar System. Alessandro Morbidelli, Kleomenis Tsiganis, Rodney Gomes, and Harold Levison simulated the migration of Saturn and Jupiter. When the orbits of these giant planets reached the special condition of Saturn making one trip around the Sun for every two trips by Jupiter (called the 1:2 resonance), violent gravitational shoves made the orbits of Neptune and Uranus unstable, causing them to migrate rapidly and scatter countless planetesimals throughout the Solar System. This dramatic event could have happened in a short interval, anywhere from 200 million years to a billion years after planet formation, causing the lunar cataclysm, which would have affected all the inner planets.


:wow: @ Neptune
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 08:55 PM
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1. whoa!
That's really cool about Neptune.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 09:03 PM
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2. Wow! All of this happened in just 6000 years?....
:sarcasm:
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:26 PM
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7. Well, there's a reason that the animation runs sooo fast... n/t
;)
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 10:49 PM
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3. That is interesting. Thanks.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:35 AM
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4. Whoa. Too cool... nt
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-26-06 04:22 PM
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5. Sorry to harp on this "clear their neighborhood" silliness
but does this mean that for 100 million years the gas giants stopped being planets because there was so much crap flying around?
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:26 PM
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6. That's not what they're saying at all. Not sure where you're getting that
:shrug:
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mccoyn Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 08:09 AM
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9. The new definition of planets.
A planet has to clear its orbital neighborhood of objects to be considered a planet.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 09:39 AM
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12. I was being snarky concerning the IAU's new planet definition
and the extremely vague requirement that they must "clear their neighborhood."
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 08:05 AM
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8. Evidently.
:P
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 08:45 AM
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10. well, sort of
When there was still "so much crap flying around," none of the planets had cleared their neighborhoods. I would call them protoplanets at this stage.

The objects that did successfully clear their neighborhoods became today's planets.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 09:38 AM
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11. Obviously, I should read the paper
but from their model, it appears as though the gas giants had cleared their neighborhood for a period of time before Neptune's ejection, but then during that 100MY window, they had to re-clear their neighborhood, and would in all snark, not be planets.

I understand what is implied by "clear their neighborhood" but I agree with your previous posts that they should have just written "gravitationallly dominant in its orbit," or something like that.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 09:49 AM
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13. you've got a point
Using "protoplanet" to describe fully-formed planets that are undergoing a second period of neighborhood clearing is a bit of a stretch.

Okay ... enough about this! So trivial... but I can't... stop... posting about it! :crazy:
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