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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 03:50 PM
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War Within the ACLU
Heard part of the interview on NPR today...Good amount of fireworks, and Kaminer is scary-shrill...


The American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU, has long been a house divider in American politics: a love-it-or-hate-it crusader for the defense of liberties even when unpopular.

Since 9/11 and the “war on terror” response, ACLU membership and contributions have soared as more Americans feared for their liberties. It should be the ACLU’s finest hour. Some say it has been.

Wendy Kaminer says no. The former ACLU board member says the ACLU itself has lost its way, compromised its mission. She’s out with a scathing critique, from the inside.

This hour, On Point: an inside charge of an ACLU gone wrong.

You can join the conversation. Do you see the ACLU as a beacon or a bane? Have you joined since 9-11? Have you heard, seen, been part of the infighting? Tell us what you think — here on this page, on Twitter, and on Facebook.

-Tom Ashbrook

Guests:

From New York we’re joined by David France, contributing editor to New York Magazine. He covered the ACLU’s post-9/11 infighting for the magazine in “Freedom to Backstab.”

Joining us in our studio is Wendy Kaminer is a writer, lawyer, and social critic. She served on the national ACLU board from 1999 to 2006 and became disillusioned with the leadership and direction of the organization. Her new book is “Worst Instincts: Cowardice, Conformity, and the ACLU.” On Point news analyst Jack Beatty calls it “devastating … a study … of how good organizations, blinded by the righteousness of their mission, do bad things.”

From Omaha, Nebraska, we’re joined by Tim Butz. He was executive director of the ACLU of Nebraska from 2000 to 2006. He served on the Executive Directors Council, a liaison between the ACLU national office and the state affiliates. He is still a member and donor to the ACLU.

http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/04/a-war-within-the-aclu
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:11 PM
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1. I'm a Card Carrying Member of the ACLU...I don't get this post!
I followed the link but nothing anywhere is saying what "they are fighting over"...

Could you explain a little more?

Is this piece meant to discredit the ACLU?

I just don't get it...sorry...

I even went to the ACLU directly and nothing....?

:shrug:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 04:49 PM
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2. this is an interview/debate on public radio
there is a clickable box at the top which says "Listen to the show" to hear the whole thing...

Long story short, Kaminer, a former board member, claims the ACLU (specifically Romero) has lost their way and wrote a harsh tell-all book (how much of it is true is anyone's guess)...Clearly, she's at least trying to discredit Romero and probably the organization as a whole...
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bluebellbaby Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 08:52 PM
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4. Thanks, I didn't have time to listen to the show
Or the desire to buy this persons book...maybe I should...since I've supported the ACLU...

But from the decisions they've gotten in the past few years...it sounds to me like they are making a difference here...

Maybe they could go further...but I guess I just don't know...

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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 05:39 PM
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3. Wow, quite the eye opener..
Was I the only one to notice the 'ends justify the means' philosophy from Butz? Close to the end, he comes just short of saying "Look, we've got more members and more money, therefore whatever we're doing is right."
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