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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 05:27 PM
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FDA to reexamine metal dental fillings
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B936720101210

(Reuters) - U.S. health regulators are seeking a second opinion on whether mercury-containing dental fillings pose a risk to dental patients, especially children and pregnant women.

Food and Drug Administration officials said that while there are no new scientific findings on such silver-colored cavity fillings, it wants feedback on methods it used to weigh available data and decide last year that the metal alloy is safe.

In documents released on Friday ahead of a public meeting on the issue, the agency said it would ask its panel of outside experts to assess how much mercury dental patients are exposed to and how much exposure is acceptable.

The FDA in July 2009 declared the fillings, known as dental amalgam, posed no risk. A year earlier, it had cautioned against their use in certain more vulnerable people such as pregnant women and children, noting mercury's risks.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 05:31 PM
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1. 15 or so years ago, I had all of my fillings replaced (14 teeth in total)
within days, years of depression (for which I was medicated) lifted and I had renewed energy that I couldn't believe.

These metal fillings are poison in high quantities.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 05:32 PM
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2.  I had amalgam fillings for many years, and through six
Edited on Sun Dec-12-10 05:34 PM by virgogal
pregnancies many years ago.

No problems.

Studies,studies,studies.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 05:35 PM
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3. Ever wonder why some children in school had lots of cavities.
And some had very few?

Some dentist use that pointy tool to make holes in teeth that create cavities.



Seen that myself, so know some do that.


Many cavities are created by unscrupulous dentists. Seriously, seen it myself, true story.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 05:44 PM
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4. What a ridiculous, irresponsible, and totally unfounded thing to say.
I call bullshit.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 01:05 PM
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16. +1,000,000,000,000!!!
:wow:
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 07:50 PM
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12. Dentists take a Hippocratic-type oath,
and it would be unethical for them to do as you say, if in fact they did. Such dentists should be reported to their state's dental board.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:36 PM
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22. I've been mulling over your comment and have concluded something.
Either:
-It's perhaps the most ignorant thing I've read in quite a while.
-It's sarcasm I failed to pick up on.
-Your point is genuine and your dentist is the worst dentist in the history of ever.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:33 AM
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46. once I had a new dentist
That wanted me to come back and get a cavity filled...........

But there was just something about the way he said it that made me a bit suspicious!

I switched dentists and the second dentist said nothing about a cavity.

Never did have that "cavity" filled! No poking holes, though, at least.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 05:44 PM
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5. Good.
Thankie for the link!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 05:45 PM
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6. So how does this fit with the conspiracy theories?
Is the FDA beholden to the dentists who want to KILL US WITH MERCURY OMGWTFBBQ?!?!?!? or not?
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 06:14 PM
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9. It fits perfectly.
You just have to create another layer to the conspiracy.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 06:08 PM
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7. K&R
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 06:14 PM
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8. Mercury is poisonous, but the mainstream dentists ignore that.
The EPA says it's the most toxic non-radioaactive substance they know of.

It's a neurotoxin.

I had my fillings replaced with Cerex several years ago, and had two root canal teeth pulled. They had anaerobic infections in the roots, which the dentist cleaned out and disinfected. She also cleaned out my wisdom teeth holes. The dentist who had pulled my wisdom teeth in 1972 left in the ligaments in two holes, so they had anaerobic infections in them as well. They had been festering for thirty years.

My health got better and within just a few hours of getting my root canal teeth pulled, I realized I was thinking faster.

www.iaomt.org

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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:32 PM
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21. Florine is poisonous, but the mainstream dentists ignore that.
We can play this game all you like. Alternately, you can learn some basic chemistry and biology and admit that your arguments are largely based on fear-mongering hysteria.

Oh, and not to piss on your anecdote parade, but it's far more likely that you felt better immediately after getting your fillings replaced because they cleaned out 30-year old infections.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 06:27 PM
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10. for decades, those that were warning about this were called quacks and alarmists...
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 06:38 PM
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11. As of right now, that's still what they're called.
Will you accept the findings of this review if the FDA continues to find amalgam to be a safe, effective dental restoration substance?

Because I'll tell you right now that I'll wholeheartedly support more investigation should the panel find otherwise.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:58 AM
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13. There should be no question that it's highly toxic and should not be used.
Folks, look at the Periodic Table of the Elements.
Elements in the same vertical column have the same valence (positive or negative charge) and have very similar properties.

What's in the same column as mercury? Lead and cadmium, both of which are poisonous.

That's one clue. Besides the clinical evidence that Hg fillings are bad for your health, dating back to the 19th century.

www.iaomt.org


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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 05:09 AM
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14. Sodium is highly reactive, chlorine is a deadly poison.
Put them together and you have a necessary mineral.

A substance's elemental properties don't necessarily reflect the nature of compounds containing that substance.

That aside, you should check your basic chemistry. Lead isn't in the same column as mercury, but zinc is. Zinc is an essential mineral. Lead is in the same column as carbon, which as I'm sure you're aware is absolutely required for life. Again, a substance's elemental properties don't necessarily reflect the nature of compounds containing that substance.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 10:48 PM
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19. Mercury fillings are NOT stable.
There is no reason Hg fillings should be used. They are highly toxic and unstable.

Go to the www.iaomt.org website and watch the movie of a Hg filling offgassing, visible in black light.

I want to strangle people that use the misleading term "silver filling". Silver is good and antibacterial. Mercury is highly toxic as well as unstable.

Mercury is one of a number of toxic metals that sane people do not advocate ingesting.

Read up on what a "mad hatter" is, like the guy in Alice in Wonderland.

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 08:21 AM
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20. Mercury is, and always has been, part of the human environment.
This is best evidenced by our bodies having natural mechanisms to remove it in small amounts. It is only in excessive amounts that it becomes harmful. What you need to understand is comparatively, how much mercury comes from an amalgam filling versus how much you are simply breathing in every day or consuming in your food or drinking in your water. (Hint: Your paranoid worrying about fillings is completely and utterly misplaced.)

Once you do a comparison like that, you will understand why amalgam fillings continue to remain a highly safe and effective tooth restoration material. However I do understand that wild "anti-" campaigns like the mercury militia aren't interested in truly studying the facts and understanding the data - it's all about ZOMG fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:05 AM
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25. Yeah! Just because you are using it to chew, then washing what you chew down
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 09:23 AM by mhatrw
with hot & cold liquids every day of your life doesn't mean any mercury gets in your body.

It's perfectly safe to fill your teeth with a highly potent neurotoxin. Santa told me so!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:08 AM
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26. Congrats on completely ignoring what I said.
Is it any wonder no one takes you seriously?
:rofl:
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:19 AM
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29. What exactly did you say other than don't worry, be happy, poison is perfectly safe?
How about asbestos nose plugs? Radioactive earplugs? Arsenic make-up?

I mean, all this stuff occurs naturally so humans simply must be able to process it safely in small amounts. Right?

The dosage makes the poison! They wouldn't use it if it weren't perfectly safe! Right?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QYd_pItgxVM/SzEb5BnLi2I/AAAAAAAAHWc/KHDtxEB9suM/s400/12+health+lies+cigarette+ads+10.jpg





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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:23 AM
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31. Water can kill you.
Do you drink it?
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:25 AM
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33. Yeah! Which proves that asbestos noseplugs are just fine!
Right?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:33 AM
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34. Do you drink water?
Yes or no. Simple question. Why won't you answer it?
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:57 AM
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37. Do you snort asbestos?
If not, why do you wish others to chew their food with mercury?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:01 AM
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38. Please answer my question.
But I know why you won't.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:18 AM
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40. Please educate yourself on dental amalgams and realize just how incredibly idiotic
filling everyone's mouth with mercury is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_amalgam_controversy

But I know why you won't.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:39 AM
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42. Good luck to you.
I can thankfully see that the population of DU has appropriately unrecced your misinformation. Better luck with your next windmill.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:13 AM
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15. My goodness.
You really need to understand some basic chemistry.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 04:00 PM
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18. Why? That would ruin all the fun.
Maybe learn how to read a periodic table of elements also?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 03:59 PM
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17. Aside from basic chemistry error, you're wrong. Carbon is, not Pb (lead).
And Carbon (C) is not OMG! bad for your health.
Hg (Mercury) is 80. Pb (lead)82. Cd(Cadmium) 48


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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:00 AM
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23. Wow! You'll support more investigation if a known toxin is recognized as toxic?
That's extremely open-minded of you!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:02 AM
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24. Yeah, I know YOU'RE the model of rational thought and open-mindedness.
:rofl:
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:12 AM
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27. How do you feel about asbestos noseplugs?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:17 AM
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28. And how do you feel about seafood?
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:22 AM
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30. Asbestos is, and always has been, part of the human environment.
Mild? It's more than just mild! You're soaking in it!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 09:23 AM
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32. Thank you for proving once again why it is impossible...
to have anything resembling a rational, adult conversation with you. No wonder everyone laughs at what you say.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:37 AM
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35. Let's be rational for just a second here.
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 10:40 AM by mhatrw
Do you think the daily level of mercury exposure for the average human has gone up or down over the past thousand years?

Considering this, do you think it is a good idea to increase our mercury exposure even more by filling our mouths and chewing our food with mercury?

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:53 AM
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36. Yes let's try to be rational.
So quit including massive red herring propaganda graphics with your text.

To be completely honest, neither you nor I know how that mercury level has changed. If you think you do, then you are not speaking truthfully. There could have been high concentrations in localized areas at various times in the past - we literally have no way of knowing.

However we DO know pretty well what levels of mercury our bodies can safely process, and if that's what you're worried about, you should be harping about seafood consumption and not dental treatments.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:11 AM
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39. So it's bad in food, but perfectly fine to chew food with?
Do you actually believe what you are saying?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:39 AM
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41. Good luck to you.
I can thankfully see that the population of DU has appropriately unrecced your misinformation. Better luck with your next windmill.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 08:05 PM
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43. You can read about it in here.... or those who believe there is
nothing to it can remain in their blissful state.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518HHS9B8SL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Toxic-Metal-Syndrome-Poisonings-Affect/dp/0895296497/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1292547740&sr=8-1

Very interesting and thorough material on these two subjects, in particular.
Never knew before that aluminum is even in baking powder, among all the other sources of it mentioned.

The dental mercury section is very useful information, if not frightening in its still widely prevalent scope within the USA. I never realized before that two European countries have already banned its use!
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:22 PM
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44. Even if it is not a health risk (which strains credulity), it is most assuredly
a huge ecological burden.

Why? Who decided it would be a good idea to keep filling everyone's mouths with mercury for the last 150+ years?

Does this actually make any sense to anyone, other than through the worst kind of institutional inertia?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 06:44 AM
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45. institutional inertia, bravo for a much needed phrase to describe
much of what we are harnessed with.
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