California officials - vaccine status in babies and todders is not an issue in Pertussis outbreak.

[mzmolly]

http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-childhood-vaccinations-20100916,0,3713785.story

Interesting information from the latest CDC data on vaccine coverage in the US -

U.S. immunization rates for the most common childhood vaccines continue to remain near or above the target level of 90% coverage, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday. Rates for the newest vaccines, including hepatitis A, hepatitis B and rotavirus, also continue to grow, the agency reported in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Less than 1% of children had not received any vaccines.

"Today's report is generally very reassuring, despite *reports we have seen" about parents being reluctant to immunize children because of fears of a link between vaccines and autism." ...

The two major exceptions to the trend of increases involve the measles vaccine and that for Haemophilus influenzae b (Hib), which causes meningitis. The latter problem was caused by a shortage of the vaccine during 2008 and 2009 that led the CDC to recommend that physicians not give a fourth (booster) dose of the vaccine to children until the supply problem was resolved.

... In fact, some vaccines are seeing increased coverage levels ...

The new findings came from the 2009 National Immunization Survey, which conducted telephone interviews with households containing 17,313 children and collected pediatricians' records on their vaccination history.

Among the findings:

-- Coverage for the hepatitis A vaccine increased from 40.4% in 2008 to 46.6% in 2009.

-- Coverage for the hepatitis B vaccine given at birth increased from 55.3% to 60.8%.

... Perhaps most importantly, unbiased information on the recent California outbreak reveals that parental refusal is not an issue, however, waning immunity is.

Schuchat briefly addressed the pertussis (whooping cough) outbreak in California, which has so far killed nine infants. We don't think it is the coverage level in babies and toddlers that is the problem, but the lack of vaccination in adults and teens."

[FirstLight]

1. HA!

...so all of you who used this as an excuse to flame those of us who choose NOT to vaccinate...can eat crow now. :P

[mzmolly]

2. It'll never happen. They'll find some unhinged blogger who

writes a story about the dangers of a single parent opting out of a single vaccine and post it as though it's fact based. :crazy:

[FirstLight]

3. ya, and you also notice

the deafening sound of crickets on this thread?
yep, the fingers are in the ears and the singing of the LALALA has begun! ;)

[mzmolly]

5. I'm sure they'll be here

spamming while not reading the information soon. They'll find a counter story from one of their favorite bloggers and post the "story" as if it compares to information from health officials, who now have the facts at their disposal.

[mzmolly]

17. Get this. 94 percent of infants and toddlers in California have received their pertussis jab.

So much for 'anti vaxers' being responsible.

http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/nis/nis_iap2.asp?fmt=v&rpt=tab08_19mo_iap&qtr=Q1/2009-Q4/2009

[dixiegrrrrl]

4. So the kids who were vaccinated got the disease?

and it is the fault of the adults ( what ages..??) and teens who did not get vaccinated that pertussis is going around?

Hmmm.

[mzmolly]

6. Some apparently did.

Good catch. :hi: We'll hear the herd immunity talking point trotted out in response to questions like yours, but those who mention don't consider those over 10 part of the herd it seems?

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. I still cannot understand why infants at birth need Hep B. shots.

those working around blood diseases, perhaps.

I do not understand why infants and toddlers whose system is still being developed "need" all their shots at one time.

I am old. My 'children" are in their forties.
but, if I had to do it all over again, I would not allow so many vaccinations at such a young age.
Esp. now that pharmaceutical companies have been allowed blanket indemnity for any damages stemming from vaccinations.

[mzmolly]

9. You'll hear all sorts of rationale

for that one. I'm with you, however. What's interesting is that many more parents opt out of the HepB vaccine, than the polio vaccine. So, some parents are selectively vaccinating. People use the numbers of parents opting out of say HepB to promote the false notion that 30% of parents are not vaccinating, but that's very misleading considering more than 90% vaccinate against polio. Hope that made some sense. :hi:

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. Yes, makes sense how numbers are skewed,

Funny thing , did you notice how the "flu epidemic" suddenly just disappeared off the MSM?
Did not tape off, it just went...poof.

[mzmolly]

11. I did Though, it'll probably be ratcheted up again

soon with the start of fall. ;)

[HuckleB]

58. No vaccine is 100 percent effective.

However, there is much more to this story.

Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the
untold story
http://www.fcs.uga.edu/cfd/cdl/docs/vaccines_exemptions.pdf

Thanks to the Anti-Vaccination Movement, Whooping Cough is Making a Comeback
http://therelativelyinterestingblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/thanks-to-anti-vaccination-movement.html

This shows the lie of the anti-vaxers who claim to be only "pro-safe-vaccine."

[mzmolly]

69. The first article about differing efficacy is based upon specuation which has been refuted.

Christopher Wanjek recently wrote an article outlining a recent trend with respect to whooping cough. The trend is disturbing: the anti vaccination movement is having an effect on the number of whooping cough cases in the United States... they are increasing. And people are suffering for no logical reason. It's so bad, in fact, that in the state of California, they have declared a whooping cough epidemic.

Once again, your source is speculating and he is wrong. 93-94% of California infants and toddlers have been vaccinated against pertussis in California. http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/nis/nis_iap2.asp?fmt=v&rpt=tab08_19mo_iap&qtr=Q1/2009-Q4/2009 The issue is adults and teens which have not been adequately targeted by health officials given the newness of the booster recommendation. People like you don't help reach the right people, when you spread misinformation. You're doing harm to your stated cause.

[HuckleB]

70. No, it hasn't been refuted.

Further, the content of your post has nothing to do with the content of the post to which you are replying.

This has gotten incredibly old.

You may continue without me.

[mzmolly]

71. There is no 'disturbing trend' in California due to the 'anti vaccine movement'

period. The data I posted is entirely relevant. Perhaps you don't read what you post, but I do.

Cheers.

[mzmolly]

7. Dr. Anne Schuchat is an official from the CDC. I should have said Health officials

vs. California officials in my OP title.

Assistant Surgeon General, United States Public Health Service (USPHS) ~ Director, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD)

http://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/schuchat.htm

"Nearly all parents are choosing to have their children protected against dangerous childhood diseases through vaccination," said Dr. Anne Schuchat, Director of the National Center for Immunication and Respiratory Diseases at CDC.

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/16/cdc-vaccination-rates-in-toddlers-remains-high/

[mzmolly]

12. One wonders why people un-rec accurate information and good news about vaccine

compliance in younger children?

[SheilaT]

13. So if kids who were vaccinated

ate still getting whooping cough, why isn't someone questioning the efficacy of the vaccination, rather than blindly blaming unvaccinated teens and adults? I'm sensing a certain disconnect.

I also recall reading a couple of decades ago that in a similar outbreak (not sure which disease anymore, but I kind of think it was pertussis) vaccinated children came down with whatever it was at higher rates than the much smaller group of unvaccinated children. Isn't that interesting?

[mzmolly]

14. That is very interesting,

I hadn't read that. I do agree that we live in a bizarre world when those who pay for a certain kind of protection don't hold the right people accountable, when that protection fails. :crazy:

[HuckleB]

18. You won't get a straight answer on this page.

The anti-vax crowd made political moves to have the more viable vaccine taken off the market, despite the fact that research proved it safe. The anti-vaxers don't want to discuss this part of the equation. What's even more hilarious is that they are now running at mouth to divert attention from their own advocacy, which might lead to much worse outbreaks. The hypocrisy is astounding.

[mzmolly]

19. Got proof that the whole cell vaccine was more effective? I see you've stopped

lying about the mythical decline in vaccination rates among babies, however. Good for you!

[HuckleB]

23. The decline is real, as has been shown repeatedly.

You will deny it, as you do repeatedly, but that doesn't change the real world.

I've posted recent links regarding the efficacy issue. You ran away from them.

[mzmolly]

30. It's bull and you can repeat the same bull over and over but the definitive

source, (the CDC) will prove you, and your bogus sources, wrong.

"I've posted recent links regarding the efficacy issue. You ran away from them."

I've not run away from anything. If you have scientific data about differing efficacy, post it. If it's a 'story' from bloggers with an agenda, save it.

Here's a clue for you on the efficacy matter. Natural immunity from pertussis lasts for decades. When we replaced that, with vaccine induced immunity, we were booster bound. It's not rocket science.

[HuckleB]

31. Yes, you've repeated the same nonsense over and over again.

You've also ignored the reality of the situation over and over again.

So what?

[mzmolly]

34. Even those who agree with you have tried to tell you that the so called

anti-vaccination movement hasn't had an impact on overall vaccination rates. You may find biased, skewed articles that support your preconceived notions, but the CDC data is crystal clear. The "reality" is that Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarty, JFK Jr. and Bill Maher, have had NO impact on vaccine coverage levels in the United States.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/coverage.pdf

[HuckleB]

42. ROTFLMAO!

Again, the anti-vaxers have had an effect on pockets, which is well documented despite your denial.

And the rates for measles vaccination have gone down.

Meanwhile, you fail to understand that you are an advocate for low rates of vaccination, while, at the same time, you tout "high rates" when it's convenient for you.

:rofl:

I thought I was on ignore?

[mzmolly]

45. Oh noes, not the pockets!?

:eyes: You're back to the measles lie eh? You're not doing your side any favors, BTW. Many of those who agree with you have actually apologized for your behavior, choosing to distance themselves. It's no wonder why.

You WERE on ignore, until I heard you were spamming my threads with personal attacks.

[HuckleB]

47. I'm sorry you can't handle the truth.

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

51. "ROFLMAO"

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

20. Whole-Cell but Not Acellular Pertussis Vaccines Induce Convulsive Activity in Mice:

Whole-Cell but Not Acellular Pertussis Vaccines Induce Convulsive Activity in Mice: Evidence of a Role for Toxin-Induced Interleukin-1beta in a New Murine Mod

http://iai.asm.org/cgi/content/full/69/7/4217

:hi:

[HuckleB]

24. Mice!

:rofl:

That's the best you can do?

Bwahahahahahaha!

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

26. No.

Children were the first to experience this kind of side effect.

[HuckleB]

27. Thank you for ignoring the actual science.

[mzmolly]

57. "ROF...

Eh, never mind. ;)

[mzmolly]

21. Here, have some more crow.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/rr/rr4607.pdf

"The efficacy of three doses of acellular pertussis vaccines in preventing moderate to severe pertussis disease was within the range expected for most whole-cell DTP vaccines."

It's not 'anti vaccine' to discuss vaccination with honesty and openness. It's not 'anti vaccine' to point out that the rhetoric from industry and their counterparts is often false. It's not 'anti vaccine' to recognize the fact that some children and adults are harmed from vaccinations. It's not 'anti vaccine' to advocate for safer vaccines like the acellular pertussis vaccine which (like regulation) establishes greater confidence in vaccination. I will not be silenced by you. I will not be defined by you.

As Paul Wellstone used to say we have plenty of voices for industry, we need more for average citizens. I'll never stop advocating for the average person, who may be the exception to the rule when it comes to vaccination.

[HuckleB]

22. We've been down this road already.

You are offering your usual selection of partial information.

I guess I'm not on ignore.

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

25. This is complete data from the CDC. It is YOU

that offers partial information. You're not on ignore as long as you're going to keep spamming my threads with personal insults. I happen to have people who alert me to your nonsense.

[HuckleB]

28. As usual, you think your out-of-context nonsense (from 1997) is "complete."

Either that, or...

[mzmolly]

36. 1970 - 2009 -

are the years that I've covered in my discussion with you.

[HuckleB]

39. Nope.

[mzmolly]

40. You're

unbelievable.

[HuckleB]

43. I know, it's a bummer when others demand that you look at reality.

[mzmolly]

46. "ROFLMAO"

:rofl:

[HuckleB]

50. I'm happy you have your fantasies.

[mzmolly]

53. "ROFLMAO"

Just posting what you understand and all.

[HuckleB]

32. BTW, your extended tantrum doesn't change anything.

Hasta!

[mzmolly]

35. MY tantrum?! Dare I say, "ROFLMAO!"

:hi:

[HuckleB]

37. How many spam threads have you started about California and whooping cough?

Whoops?

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

41. It's not spam to educate given your desire to spread misinformation.

:hi:

[HuckleB]

44. It's not spam, no, it's a temper tantrum.

And misinformation is all you have.

[mzmolly]

48. "ROFLMAO"

:rofl:

[HuckleB]

29. PS...

The last you thing you've offered is honesty and openness.

[mzmolly]

33. That's simply

not true.

[HuckleB]

38. Actually, it is true in the real world.

[mzmolly]

49. "ROFLMAO"

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

15. Califonia vaccination compliance for pertussis in infants and toddlers at 94 percent in 2009.

See here for more information > http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/nis/nis_iap2.asp?fmt=v&rpt=tab08_19mo_iap&qtr=Q1/2009-Q4/2009

[mzmolly]

16. Proper link to California data below.

http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/nis/nis_iap2.asp?fmt=v&rpt=tab08_19mo_iap&qtr=Q1/2009-Q4/2009

For some reason the first link I posted didn't work?

[HuckleB]

52. Unhinged much?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl:

[mzmolly]

54. Unhinged pot, meet unhinged kettle.

:rofl:

[HuckleB]

55. Please visit the real world, some day.

It's not bad over here.

[mzmolly]

56. I'm done. Have a nice evening

HuckleB. Don't insult me, or spam my threads and we'll call it a day, deal?

[HuckleB]

59. No deal.

If you continue to spread anti-vax lies, I will continue to point them out

[mzmolly]

60. We'll have it your way. When you continue to spread your anti-truth lies,

I'll continue to point them out. For example, it's obvious that you have been wrong on the California pertussis outbreak being due to 'anti vaccination' groups, as information from health officials CLEARLY negates your inflammatory rhetoric. Others, on your side of this issue have tried to point this out to you.

Lastly, If I appear unhinged it's because I've mirrored your tactics. I'm glad you've had an opportunity to examine how you come across to others.

[HuckleB]

61. Yes, please continue to respond.

Your posts are very helpful in pointing out the fallacies of the anti-vax movement.

[mzmolly]

62. "ROFLMAO"

:hi: One for the road.

[HuckleB]

63. Please don't drive.

[mzmolly]

64. "Argumentum ad hominem alert"

:rofl:

[HuckleB]

65. I'm sorry that you don't understand what an ad hominem attack is...

Since I'm in a kind mood, I'll offer a little reality to you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/C0nc0rdance#p/u/19/fJWxajLJPtU

[mzmolly]

66. "ROFLMAO"

Good night. :hi:

[HuckleB]

67. I'm having a great night.

[mzmolly]

68. As am I.

Cheers.