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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:08 AM
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Ukraine Pneumonic Plague Epidemic - Serious
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:19 AM
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1. WOW! Still need to read the article, but those numbers are stunning!
Their health care system must be completely overwhelmed!
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 04:44 AM
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2. Be careful of this site. It is a bit of a conspiracy site. WHO thinks is is H1N1
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 05:16 AM
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3. Hmm, the death rate is not much different than elsewhere
The problem seems to be that so many people are sick at once.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:33 PM
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4. The problem is that people didn't get medical treatment until they were very, very sick.
People are poor and the healthcare infrastructure is fragile. I popped over to ProMED to see what the most recent articles from the Ukraine were saying and this is one of them:

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:53103::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,80120
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:53 PM
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5. Just like in Mexico?
It first appeared here in the Americas in Mexico and they were dying at a higher rate than us. They figured out that Mexicans were waiting too long to seek medical care and relying too much on traditional medicine.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:36 AM
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10. That's exactly the problem, especially in Mexico
Scientific medicine has been out of the reach of ordinary people so long that reliance on the local curandera is ingrained. The local curandera does a good job on people who aren't too sick.

However, once the news was put out that this flu is a potential killer, people started to use their IMSS cards and get appropriate treatment soon enough and the death rate dropped.

I don't know about the situation in the Ukraine, but I imagine it's quite similar.

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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 06:42 PM
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6. Holy crap! That is horrific. - nt
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:03 PM
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7. I can't quite wrap my mind around the Ukraine "flu"
Complicating everything is that there is some sort of election there, and the government may want to play up some sort of epidemic in order to postpone the election.

I guess we will find out in due course.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 07:48 AM
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8. Just curious - in your world...
does anything ever happen that isn't the result of a conspiracy among secret evil powers?
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 08:37 AM
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9. which do you believe
1. There is a new strange "flu" epidemic in the Ukraine, very scary, and could spread around the world, causing millions of people to have their lungs collapse.

or

2. Ukraine government is playing up this situation to avoid having elections.

I mean, they are *both* conspiratorial.

The mainstream press has reported very little about this because they don't know either.

All I was doing was agreeing with the mainstream.

:rofl:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 09:52 AM
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11. Uh...
There's nothing "conspiratorial" about #1. New diseases CAN evolve and arise naturally, you know. It's called evolution. Last I checked, the Illuminati weren't around 10,000 years ago to engineer leprosy in the lab or something.

And regarding #2, do you have any evidence this is happening?

But thank you for answering my question very clearly, if indirectly.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:35 PM
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13. Ukraine
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/11/07/Flu-may-delay-Ukraine-elections/UPI-19551257578847/

So now they are saying it is a different flu or something.

Who knows?

Again, there is a reason the mainstream media has not hopped on to this story yet.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if we didn't have a new virus strain either. I wonder if Baxter shipped some vaccines to be tested in the Ukraine lately?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 08:01 PM
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16. So it's not your original conspiracy...
but a whole new conspiracy! ZOMG, I knew it!1!! :tinfoilhat:

Again, there is a reason the mainstream media has not hopped on to this story yet.

As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 08:59 AM
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17. Huh!!!??
You are a riot.

They haven't reported on this yet because at this point there is no "there" there-- IOW, nothing to report. They are being responsible.

Now we can speculate all we want, as this blog does. But it isn't the mainstream media's role to publish speculation.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 11:25 AM
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12. It is still just a blog
I haven't made up my mind on this. I am waiting for more evidence. It could be some strange new pathogen twist that is going to plague mankind, or it may be overblown hype due to politics. We'll just have to wait and see.

I don't think there is a coverup, or, if there is, there won't be for long. If this is a huge problem, mainstream media WILL report it. We'll just have to see.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 05:44 PM
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14. I'm with you - the source is not reliable.
As you say - it's only someone's blog - and a google "translation" of the blog as well.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 06:30 PM
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15. The problem is the pathology ..
Edited on Thu Nov-19-09 06:35 PM by Why Syzygy
It causes bleeding in the lungs. Furthermore, the WHO and CDC will not release virology information.

No rush for a vaccine in this case!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcPr3QzChs&feature=player_embedded#
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