Holy Mercury Batman! Re-examining the vaccine-autism controversy

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

As flu vaccinations get underway, one last point on vaccines needs to be examined: the issue surrounding the compound thimerosal. The mainstream press has noted thimerosal is a preservative added to some vaccines and it breaks down in the body to a salicylate (aspirin is in this family) and ethyl-mercury. And the comment is usually left at that since such “reporting” really is focused on trying to stoke the autism-mercury-vaccine controversy, rather than provide intelligent dialogue or information for the reader.


As a result, people leave comments on blogs to they would rather their child risk getting disease “X” than risk getting autism from a vaccine against the disease (these logic flaws discussed below). This kind of hysteria in the face of numerous contrary facts is cause for concern. When a mother posts that she would rather her daughter risk having rubella, a mild, non-threatening illness, anyway, as she points out, one can only wonder if she read the entire disease information page or even a history of it. If she had she would note that should her daughter contract rubella while pregnant, there are after effects in the form of birth defects. This is called congenital rubella syndrome and includes for the newborn such exciting features as deafness, retardation and cataracts. On the upside for her, though, people can literally mean it when they look at the newborn and say “Aww! He has his grandmother’s eyes.” The easy solution of vaccinating is to prevent this scenario from being a risk in the first place.


These misconceptions about vaccines arise largely from a lack of scientific teaching in schools (the state tests are all about English and mathematics, after all) and to fill this void (and for general convenience) the general public (with a little help from the mass media) divides all chemical compounds as good or bad, lauded or vilified.


Such a black-white categorization is highly inaccurate. Richard DeGrandpre makes this point in his book The Cult of Pharmacology. Chemical compounds are far more pervasive and diverse than people seem willing to allow. Consider amphetamines. Speed. Uppers. As meth-amphetamine it is an addictive drug (T. Tina. Ice. Meth.) made from Sudafed via home chemistry and sold on the street and in the dance clubs of your better mega-cities. As dextro-amphetamine (Adderall,Vyvanse, Dexedrine), however, it is a good drug that helps the ever increasing number of children (and now adults) who cannot focus due to ADD pharmacologically possess the ability to do so. Does that make amphetamine a good drug or a bad drug? An angel or a demon? Perhaps this is a lingering effect of Christianity’s need for things to be hot or cold, but not warm. In religious terms, though, the Buddhists would be correct: it is both an angel and demon.


What goes unmentioned by the mainstream press is that all mercuries are not created equal. Ethyl-mercury is not the same as methyl-mercury in the same way ethyl-alcohol is not the same as methyl-alcohol. The former alcohol is found in many pleasurable adult beverages, while drinking the latter earns one a trip to the hospital and possibly the morgue: but they are both alcohol. Likewise, ethylene glycol (anti-freeze) will sicken or kill you, while polyethylene glycol is the stuff found in the laxative Miralax, which will resolve your constipation. Mercury works the same way.


http://www.examiner.com/x-16391-Nashville-Health-Examiner~y2009m9d11-Holy-Mercury-Batmn-Reexamining-the-vaccineautism-controversy

[WCGreen]

1. I love this line... It explains so much in the Western culture

"Perhaps this is a lingering effect of Christianity’s need for things to be hot or cold, but not warm. In religious terms, though, the Buddhists would be correct: it is both an angel and demon."

You with us or agin us...

[K8-EEE]

2. K&R -- I see the "every vax is an awesome vax" brigade is unrecking!

I swear there is a team of pharma people working DU.

[CoffeeCat]

3. Of course there is...

Pro-big pharma is everywhere on the net. Why wouldn't they be here?

They're not very good at what they do either--because they're very easy to spot.

[Orrex]

12. Ladies and gentlemen, I present another sad case of

It's a threefer twofer!

[CoffeeCat]

13. What are you blabbering about?

It's a fact that big Pharma employs people who monitor and comment on messageboards and
article-comment sections--when their products are mentioned in the media.

They admit this. Articles about this have been published, and this reality has been discussed
ad nauseum.

I worked in corporate PR for more than two decades and I now do some consulting on the side. Social
media and controlling your company's messaging on the Internet is now an integral part of most
corporate PR plans. It's not that big of a deal.

Common knowledge isn't something to get all cartooned up about.

You aren't actually going to suggest that the pharmaceutical companies don't monitor what's
being said about them on the Internet, and that they don't participate in the discussion?

Furthermore, the pharmaceutical industry has grown famous for hiding the dangerous sides of
their products while leveraging their marketing slogans and sound bytes. The industry has
a reputation for rolling out new drugs, minimizing the truth about these drugs and then
covering their asses with more PR when the deaths, horrendous side effects and billion-dollar
lawsuits come to light.

Where the hell have you been?

[Orrex]

14. 333

[uppityperson]

58. Why would they unrec a provaccine thread?

[PVnRT]

90. ....and you and others assume

that anyone supportive of drug research or vaccines or whatever must be a paid employee of a drug company tasked with doing what you claim.

Not all side effects are hidden; some only appear after the drug has been approved. It happens.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

4. Why would they unrec it? It's a pro vaccine story.

[K8-EEE]

17. Mustn't have vaccine/autism conversations

EVER!

[HuckleB]

18. Say what?

Paranoia is dangerous.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

21. Why?

[TheMadMonk]

5. I see you're in the read keywords, check post statistics, express opinion brigade.

If you'd actually read the OP, you might have picked up on the fact that it wasn't anti-vaccine/thimerserol.

[Orrex]

11. Ladies and gentlemen, I present another sad case of

It's a threefer twofer!

[trotsky]

19. Actually that would be someone from the "every vax is evil poison" brigade.

Maybe those people work for undertakers, because that's one business sure to take off if we stop vaccinating.

[semillama]

94. Don't forget the manufacturers of children's headstones.

Their business took a nose dive after widespread vaccination, you know.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

96. +1 n/t

[mhatrw]

6. Ethylmercury = booze is undoubtedly the most amusing Big Pharma lie to this point.

Do you Big Pharma apologists have no shame?

Tobacco, Asbestos, Ethylmercury. What will they defend to the death next?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

7. You really don't understand even high school chemistry do you?

[Confusious]

8. I doubt he read the article

He knows what he knows, and nothing will change his mind, because we are all big pharma shills, so he can dismiss us.

We're not people who might have actually educated themselves, or be educated about it, and kept our eyes open to reality, and look for a *REAL* cause, not what our *GUT* tells us.

[uppityperson]

59. I can never remember. Is it spelled shill or schill?

I always pronounce it with the sch when I introduce myself, but can't remember how to spell it. Must be all that mercury.

[mhatrw]

22. So high school chemistry = ethylmercury is harmless?

LOL. You guys are really too much. Sorry, but I must have missed that AP class.

[Confusious]

31. I doubt you ever took an AP class...

And you didn't read the article.

[HuckleB]

37. Yah think?

:)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

34. Actually your statement was ethylmercury=booze. Care to defend that one.

[mhatrw]

62. The OP made that splendid analogy. Not me.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

71. No you said the author of the story made that analogy but he clearly did not.

Apparently english and logic are problems areas for you in addition to science.

[mhatrw]

78. Glad to see you disown the OP's insane analogy.

Name the chemical forms of mercury that are safe for humans to ingest and inject.

Produce the toxicology tests that show that ethyl mercury is far safer in mammals than methyl mercury or elemental mercury.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

92. Just because you aren't smart enough to understand it doesn't mean it is insane.

[Warpy]

65. You can lead a conspiracy wacko to scientific literature

but you cannot make him think.

Or even just read it.

Remember, these are people who think opinions pulled out of some crank's ass have equal weight with opinions arrived at by years of research.

Good effort, though.

[HuckleB]

66. Wow! Now that some cognitive dissonance.

On your part.

Amazing! Do you have any shame at all?

What is your reason for posting here?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

9. THere is no safe level of mercury.

The EPA says Hg is more toxic than lead, cadmium or any thing else that is NOT radioactive.

We got no business using it for anything. Hg toxicity from Hg fillings was documented 20 years after they started using them in the 1840s. Now do we do ANYTHING in medicine the same way we did in 1840, before the germ theory, before antisepsis, before knowledge of viruses and x-rays and many medicines and antibiotics? No, except for dental fillings.

Shameful.

:wtf:

And don't use that argument about Na and Cl being poisonous separately. Ionic bonds of NaCl are much stronger than covalent bonds of Hg.

(One year of high school chemistry, one year of college chemistry)

[Confusious]

10. Its not free mercury

Its ethyl mercury, and if you took chemistry, the effects of ethyl mercury are different then free mercury, just as ethyl alcohol is different from methyl alcohol. The ethyl mercury never gets broken down into free mercury.

"And don't use that argument about Na and Cl being poisonous separately. Ionic bonds of NaCl are much stronger than covalent bonds of Hg."

It's used to illustrate a point. Na and Cl are poisonous alone, together they make something that is not harmful when taken in the proper dose.
Where do you get that ionic bonds are stronger then covalent? covalent are almost always stronger. Someone else brought this up, and I would like proof of that assertion.

Besides that, we stopped using that in most vaccines in 1999. Autism rates should have dropped, but they haven't. So is it really the cause? or something else?

Or are you one of the people the article describes, "It's bad no matter what!"

P.S. when was the last time you got a dental filling? they use a plastic these days.

[mhatrw]

23. There is no safe form of mercury, champ.

Ethylmercury is a highly potent neurotoxin. This is indisputable. Put some thimerosal directly on a human nerve cell and watch what happens under a microscope if you don't believe me.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

27. Is that what happens during a vaccination?

Large amounts of thimerosal are put "directly on a human nerve cell"? Ethyl Mercury can't pass the blood-brain barrier, and there's little chance of affecting a nerve cell.

[mhatrw]

42. Thimerosal is a highly potent neurotoxin.

[mhatrw]

55. "Ethyl Mercury can't pass the blood-brain barrier." Oh, really? Are you ignorant or just lying?

[Confusious]

30. Not really as high as you think, pup

"it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal#cite_note-Clarkson-8

[mhatrw]

43. Thimerosal is a highly potent neurotoxin.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

100. That you encouraged people to inject themselves with. Why is that if it is so toxic?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

check out www.iaomt.org

Is there a concern about the use of mercury in dentistry?
Many people do not realize the "silver" amalgam fillings are 50% mercury. A large filling may contain as much mercury as a thermometer. Mercury vaporizes easily at room temperature, and in this state, is odorless, colorless and tasteless. Inhaled mercury vapor is readily absorbed into the bloodstream. The World Health Organization has concluded that dental fillings contribute more mercury to a person's body than all other sources of mercury combined. Mercury is a powerful poison. Published research demonstrates that mercury is more toxic than lead, cadmium or arsenic. No amount of exposure to mercury vapor can be considered harmless. Especially considering its cumulative effect.

Is there an associated health risk?
Mercury is the most toxic, non-radioactive element on the earth. Most medical and scientific researchers have called for a ban on the use of mercury in all products. However, the potential harmful effects of mercury fillings have been ignored by the U.S. Government. Due to its poisonous nature, mercury can adversely affect the immune, urinary, cardiac, respiratory and digestive systems. Under laboratory conditions, mercury has produced brain cell deterioration identical to that seen in victims of Alzheimer's disease.

[mhatrw]

44. Thimerosal is a highly potent neurotoxin.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

101. That you encouraged people to inject themselves with. Why is that if it is so toxic?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

35. Show us the toxicology studies that prove it is a highly potent neurotoxin!

[mhatrw]

45. LOL. Put it on a human nerve cell and watch what happens.

What a shameless thing to say. Thimerosal is indisputably a highly potent neurotoxin.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

48. If you put a red blood cell in pure water, it will burst. This does not mean that a human will burst

if put into pure water. Cells do not react to solutions the same way that the whole human body reacts to solutions.

[mhatrw]

51. LOL. When will you be videotaping you drinking your shot of thimerosal for youtube?

Since this compound is obviously so safe, surely someone here will volunteer to drink just a single shot of thimerosal in order to prove its safety to us all.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

52. I will do that, as soon as you prove that water is not toxic by drinking 50 gallons of it one right

after the other.

[mhatrw]

54. LOL. I'm not asking you to drown in it. Just drink one little shot.

What are you afraid of? I mean, it's just like ethyl alcohol vs. methyl alcohol!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

57. You are asking people to take 600,000 times the normal dose.

Take 600,000 times the normal "dose" of water and see how you fare. That's over 37 thousand gallons.

[mhatrw]

60. There is no normal dose of potent mercury-laden neurotoxin. Just the dose Big Pharma demands of you.

Strange how the talk of thimerosal being harmless goes right out the window when it comes to downing just a single shot of it.

You wouldn't dare drink a single drop of the stuff and you know it.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

64. A drop would be something like 1000 times the amount of thimerosal that's in a vaccine.

I have taken thimerosal in vaccine form and would not hesitate to do so again. But you are asking people to take this compound in volumes that are thousands of times the recommended dose. Taking anything at thousands of times the recommended dose is not wise and potentially fatal.

[trotsky]

67. She's gone so far over the edge she doesn't even have the other anti-vaxers backing her up.

So in essence, she's discredited herself more effectively than any of us who are armed with facts.

Great job, madhatrightwing!

[mhatrw]

77. I'm not the one who compared ethylmercury to ethyl alcohol. That was the insane OP with 7 recs.

Ethyl-mercury is not the same as methyl-mercury in the same way ethyl-alcohol is not the same as methyl-alcohol. The former alcohol is found in many pleasurable adult beverages, while drinking the latter earns one a trip to the hospital and possibly the morgue: but they are both alcohol. ... Mercury works the same way.

Yep! Mercury works the same way! It's pleasurable just like a tasty adult beverage! So belly up to the bar and have a shot of thimerosal! LOL

[trotsky]

89. I'm glad you stick around for the comedic effect.

It's fun having someone so scientifically ignorant posting regularly. It does lighten up the forum. :applause:

[mhatrw]

102. .

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

72. If it's indisputable it should be able to be backed up with numerous studies. So back it up!

[mhatrw]

85. Here ya go, Dave!

http://web.archive.org/web/20061105131211/http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/thimstudys.htm

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

93. I definitely would not encourage RATS to take massive doses of thimerosal.

[tabatha]

15. This is from wiki

"Unlike methylmercury, ethylmercury has not been found to bioaccumulate.<2> The toxicity of ethylmercury is not well studied, but exposure standards based on methylmercury (such as those currently recommended by the United States Environmental Protection Agency) are not demonstrated to be equivalent for ethylmercury.<3>"

"The toxicity of ethylmercury is not well studied" - yet persons with high school chemistry deem it to be safe.

And ethyl alcohol is not benign - I don't drink it because of what it does to the human body:

"Ethanol is a central nervous system depressant and has significant psychoactive effects in sublethal doses; for specifics, see effects of alcohol on the body by dose. Based on its abilities to change the human consciousness, ethanol is considered a psychoactive drug.<81> Death from ethyl alcohol consumption is possible when blood alcohol level reaches 0.4%. A blood level of 0.5% or more is commonly fatal. Levels of even less than 0.1% can cause intoxication, with unconsciousness often occurring at 0.3–0.4%.<82>"

[SidDithers]

16. So, from the information you posted about Ethanol...

you agree that "the dose makes the poison".

Good.

Sid

[Ratty]

20. Jesus Christ people, salt is 1/2 chlorine!

And we all know chlorine was used in WWI to kill people horribly in trenches. And yet big food still insists its safe! And let's not forget water. That shit's 2/3 hydrogen. Anybody remember the Hindenburg? Hello?!!

[mhatrw]

24. I dare any ethylmercury defender on this thread to drink a shot of thimerosal.

LOL.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

25. What kind of vaccine are you taking that it contains 1 oz of thimerosal?

[HuckleB]

26. 1.5 ounces, actually.

Ouch!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

28. I've done a little research:

[HuckleB]

29. Very good work.

That explains everything!

:)

[mhatrw]

41. But it's just like booze! See, it's the ethyl vs. the methyl that makes it so safe!!!!!!!

Isn't that the whole point of the idiotic OP?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

46. Um...no...that isn't the point at all.

[mhatrw]

49. LOL. How shameless can you get?

Just how harmless is thimerosal that not a single one of you will drink a shot of it?

I mean, I would easily drink a shot of my own piss and shit mixed together if it would shut up people who want to poison pregnant women and infants with thimerosal-laden injections. So why won't you drink a shot of harmless thimerosal to prove how safe it is? I mean, isn't it safe enough for a healthy, strong adult male such as yourself to drink just one shot of?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

50. Do you consider water to be toxic?

If you drink water in quantities that are large enough, you will die. Does this mean that water is toxic?

I mean, if water isn't toxic, why don't you drink 32 gallons of it?

[mhatrw]

53. How about if you drink a shot of water? Will you die then?

All I am asking for is for you to drink one shot of thimerosal. Just one single shot. You can even milk it if you want to. LOL.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

56. The amount of thimerosal in a vaccine is in micrograms. A shot is around 30 mL

To make it easy, assume a density of 1 g/mL like water, this gives us around 30 grams in a shot. 1 gram is equal to 1 million micrograms. Therefore, a shot would be 30 million micrograms. So by asking people to take a shot of thimerosal, you are asking people to take 600,000 times the normal dose.

This would be the equivalent of asking you to drink 600,000 cups of water. You would die. Does this mean that water is toxic?

[mhatrw]

61. OK. Then just put a single drop of straight thimerosal on your tongue.

Come on! It will put hair on your chest! Just like ethyl alcohol, don't you know!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

63. Again, a "drop" is around .05 mL, so that's .05 grams or 50000 micro grams or 1000 times the dose

Or about 62 gallons of water.

[uppityperson]

69. We use 15 gtts/ml which means 1 drop=0.6666667ml

I keep coming back to this thread for some reason, it is pretty amazing. Good job.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

70. My mind is in titration land where 1 drop is approx. .05 mL

:D

[mhatrw]

79. That's a hell of a drop. Would you be my bartender?

I think I'd like your pour.

[mhatrw]

80. You keep talking about doses as if thimerosal were a medicine.

The "dose" is nothing but an arbitrary amount of poison Big Pharma puts in vaccines to reduce costs and increase profits.

Where is the scientific evidence suggesting that this "dosage" is safer than the same "dosage" of methyl mercury or elemental mercury? Where is the scientific evidence showing that this "dosage" is necessary to prevent and effective at preventing multivial vaccine contamination? Why is this scientific evidence too much to ask for?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

74. Who said the ethyl alcohol and ethyl mercury were the same thing?

[mhatrw]

76. The lying, shilltastic OP

Ethyl-mercury is not the same as methyl-mercury in the same way ethyl-alcohol is not the same as methyl-alcohol. The former alcohol is found in many pleasurable adult beverages, while drinking the latter earns one a trip to the hospital and possibly the morgue: but they are both alcohol. ... Mercury works the same way.

Yep! Take a shot of thimerosal! It works the same way! LOL

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

84. Your lack of basic reading and logic skills is frightening.

[mhatrw]

86. Says the endorser of the transparent, shamelessly deceitful commercial for a deadly poison.

Show us the scientific evidence that demonstrates that ethyl mercury is far safer for humans and other mammals to ingest and inject than is methyl mercury or elemental mercury. We all want to see this evidence desperately since this farcical myth is so often repeated here.

Produce the studies.

http://www.nomercury.org/msds.htm

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

91. A deadly poison you encouraged people to inject themselves with. LOL really deadly scary stuff.

[mhatrw]

103. Healthy adults take risks with different levels of all sorts of poisons every day.

What is your excuse for encouraging them on infants and pregnant women?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

106. I encourage people to consider the CDC recommendations and consult with their private physician.

I don't think I need an excuse for that.

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[Manifestor_of_Light]

33. ain't no such thing as safe mercury.

The increasing concern over the presence of methyl (organic) mercury in fish can be attributed to industrial pollution. The World Health Organization, OSHA, and NIOSH, all agree that mercury is an environmental poison and have established specific occupational exposure limits.

Mercury enters the environment as a pollutant from various different industries, since it has been applied to many different uses, such as:

* dentistry
* steel, phosphate & gold production
* gold extraction
* metal smelting
* use in photo-engraving, textile printing, dye manufacture, bronzing of field-glasses, anti-fouling paint in ships, tool-hardening processes, wood pulping, chloralkali industry, electrodes and reagents
* medical applications, including vaccinations (thimerosal preservative used in DPT, influenza and others), ophthalmic solutions/ointments/suspensions, diuretics, nasal drops/sprays/mists/decongestants/spray pumps, haemorrhoidal ointments/suppositories, mumps skin test antigen, adrenal cortex injections, allergen patch tests, testosterone injection suspension, antibiotic ear suspensions, fungizone lotion/cream, tissue fixatives, throat lozenges, hair tonics
* laboratory work involving mercury or sulfur compounds
* manufacture & repair of barometers, ultraviolet lamps, direct-current electric meters, batteries, radio valves, strip lamps & mercury thermometers
* cosmetic industries, including in the making of some brands of mascara, contact lens solution, contraceptives, spermicides, disinfectants, hair dyes and skin-lightening creams

The Environmental Protection Agency has declared amalgam removed from teeth to be toxic waste. Even the American Dental Association warns that amalgam filling material is hazardous to dental office personnel before and after its presence in patients' mouths.

Dentists in several large-scale studies performed multiple cognitive and behavioural tests and, compared to a normal population, lagged behind in many areas. In one study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1463679) this included 14% worse scores in memory, co-ordination, motor speed and concentration, and in others (http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/damspr6.html) an increased rate of cancer, depression, irritability, chronic fatigue, headaches, tremors, arthritis, infertility and miscarriages.

Environmental Health Criteria 118, a report prepared by Dr Lars Friberg, Karolinska Institute, Sweden, and published under the joint sponsorship of the United Nations Environment Programme, the International Labour Organisation and the World Health Organization, in Geneva, 1991, concluded that amalgam fillings constitute the main average exposure risk to humans (3 to 17mcg), exceeding fish and seafood (2.3mcg), other food (0.3mcg), air and water sources combined.

[HuckleB]

36. What does any of that have to do with this discussion, specifically?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

38. Again someone who doesn't understand the difference between ethyl and methyl.

[laconicsax]

40. Maybe they think it's a typo.

After all, it's just a one letter difference.

Either that or they think it's just a spelling difference like "aluminium" vs "aluminum" or "thimerosal" vs. "thiomersal."

[mhatrw]

47. Yep. Just like booze. How about taking a shot of thimerosal for the cause?

You can even mix it with Jameson if you want.

Come on. I dare you.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

73. You did recommend that high risk people get the vaccination with the thimerosal, didn't you?

[mhatrw]

75. Sure. What does that have to do with an idiotic, OTT OP that compares

ethylmercury to ethyl alcohol?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

82. How his statement went over your head I have no idea. Try reading it again.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

83. So you suggest people inject what you call a highly potent neurotoxin into their bodies.

[mhatrw]

104. Is this all you have left to defend the indefensible? Really?

Your misinformation is so profound and so profoundly unethical.

Most healthy adults can process the amount of mercury found in a single annual flu vaccine. That is clear. Part of the reason they have become healthy adults may be because they can effectively eliminate low levels of exposure to mercury.

But there is evidence to show that certain people (including certain infants and toddlers) cannot excrete mercury from their systems as well as others. And since ethylmercury crosses the brain-blood barrier more easily than does methylmercury, there is reason to believe that the very same infants and toddlers who have the hardest time excreting this mercury from their bodies may also have the highest risk of autism.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

107. Show me the peer reviewed studies about mercury and autism. I'll be waiting.

[mhatrw]

87. WTF is the difference between the toxicity of ethyl and methyl mecury, Dave?

Produce the studies. Let's see the studies. All we know is that ethyl mercury clears the blood faster. To where, the brain?

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/569558

One of the few researchers who studies the effects of ethyl mercury is Thomas Burbacher, PhD, professor of environmental and occupational health sciences and director of the infant primate research lab at the National Primate Research Center, University of Washington, Seattle. Burbacher's studies of ethyl mercury and thimerosal in primates are cited by both sides of the thimerosal debate.

Burbacher says that just because ethyl mercury is gone from an infant's blood soon after it receives a dose of thimerosal -- a half-life of just 3.7 days in the Pichichero study -- doesn't mean it's gone from the body.

"Just because it came out of the blood doesn't mean it is excreted from the body. It could have gone to the brain," Burbacher tells WebMD. "In primates, you actually get more mercury in the brain after exposure to ethyl mercury than with methyl mercury -- it has an easier time crossing the blood-brain barrier."

Pichichero agrees with Burbacher on this...

That's all we know. It clears the blood faster. Probably most are able to excrete it better than the unlucky few.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

98. The OP pointed out that they are chemically different compounds. Something you don't understand.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

95. You could be correct.... I found this.

http://www.automotive.com/used-cars/recalls/11/mercury/marquis/index.html

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[Manifestor_of_Light]

39. they use Hg cuz it's CHEAP. And they they lie and call it a "silver filling".

I wrote on my chart at one dental place that I did not want any Hg fillings. The idiot woman dentist put in what she called a "silver filling". I asked her if that was a Hg filling and she said yes.
I went off on her and told her she was a liar, and that Hg was toxic and that she had better read her patient's history and follow it.

I have not darkened their door since then.

Hg fillings are a racket; they crack and fall out and lead to bigger problems after a few years, like root canals and extractions.

I also spent a lot of money getting my Hg fillings replaced with plastic, two root canals removed and cleaned out and the root holes sterilized with O2 and antibiotic liquid to kill the anaerobic bacteria, and a ligament removed from a hole where they had left a ligament when they removed a wisdom tooth in 1972. There was an anaerobic infection in that place too.

You know about anaerobic bacteria? They are deadly. Things like botulism (dented cans of food), tetanus (sealed wounds), gas gangrene.......nasty, deadly stuff.

I don't want any of those in my jaw.

I remember being at home in bed resting, just a few hours after I got the root canals removed and the holes cleaned out. I noticed that I could think faster. Anecdotal evidence, but it happened.

[trotsky]

68. What do amalgam fillings have to do with the OP? n/t

[laconicsax]

81. Fillings are vaccines.

Fillings have elemental mercury, vaccines have ethyl mercury. Therefore fillings are vaccines.

Anti-vax logic as best as I can understand it.

[trotsky]

88. Ah, makes perfect anti-vax sense!

Thank you! :crazy:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

97. There is NO safe level of mercury of any kind.

The EPA says Hg is the most toxic element/substance out there, moreso than lead, or cadmium, or anything else that is not radioactive.

Is that not good enough for you to avoid it in ANY form?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

99. I just had my H1N1 vaccine with thimerosal about a month ago should I be worried?

[trotsky]

105. Good luck with that, because no matter how hard you try, you'll NEVER avoid it.

Mercury has been in our environment for about 4.5 billion years. I.e., as long as life on earth has been around. Believe it or not, our bodies have a mechanism for collecting and excreting it. Yes, that system can be overwhelmed with MASSIVE doses of it but typical exposure through the air we breathe, the food we eat, and indeed the MICROgrams in a vaccine or the negligible vapor from an amalgam filling are well within our bodies' capabilities to deal with. Life does not have to be based on fear and irrationality.