CDC Now Claiming That Number of Swine Flu (H1N1) Cases Were Overstated

[Techn0Girl]

Amidst all the fear mongering, media reports arose that as many as 20% of all children had been infected with the swine flu based on alleged CDC reports. Several weeks ago the CDC director made an official statement which said

" media reports Thursday about 20 percent of children contracting swine flu were a misinterpretation of the data and that the numbers were undoubtedly much lower."

That was from the Salt Lake City Deseret News, Oct 24 09
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20091024/ai_n39351816/

Additionally a recent CBS news report attempted to gather CDC statistics regarding actual H!N1 infection rates. The CDC refused to answer their Freedom of Information requests for over two months. CBS then went and requested the statistics from individual State Health Departments. The results were surprising:

In Florida:
Out of 8,800 diagnosed presumed H1N1 infections sent in to the CDC for actual confirmation - only SEVENTEEN PERCENT turned out positive for H1N1

In Georgia:
Out of 3,100 diagnosed presumed H1N1 infections sent in to the CDC for actual confirmation - only TWO PERCENT turned out positive for H1N1

In California:
Out of 13,000 diagnosed presumed H1N1 infections sent in to the CDC for actual confirmation - only TWO PERCENT turned out positive for H1N1

In Alasks:
Out of 733 diagnosed presumed H1N1 infections sent in to the CDC for actual confirmation - only ONE PERCENT turned out positive for H1N1

There's more - read about it here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml

Note: The CDC itself stopped officially collecting and distributing H1N1 infection rate statistics in August - the reason is unknown.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. while Uncle Donnie Rumsfeld laughs all the way to the bank.

[Techn0Girl]

2. That would be Donald "Tamaflu" Rumsfeld I presume?

The disgraced Bush Secretary of Defense appointee who turned out to have owned significant interest in the company that manufactured Tamaflu (a supposed cure for Avian flu) during the great government "Avian Flu" scare?

Good call :)
A great pity more Americans don't have memories that go beyond beyond five years.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. You got it.

And Tamiflu is being promoted as the best way to TREAT swine flu in some nations. And fear drives everything else. Like sales.

[Techn0Girl]

6. Rumsfled also owns a huge interest in The company putting out Flu-Mist

which is being touted as a swine flu "cure" cum vaccine. The company is MedImmune - huge stock interest in it by Rumsfled - he was actually the company CEO at one point.

Rumsfeld literally made a fortune over the Avian (bird) flu scare back in 05 - he's doing it again with Flu-Mist.

FWIW - almost all U.S. health care worker organizations have refused to use the Flu-Mist vaccine.

[Liberation Angel]

4. I am concerned that something much more nefarious may be happening

Some of you may know I am one of those people who really does not trust what the government says and also I believe in "negative (fascist) forces" which may have a hand in events like these.

The issue of whether the CDC and our own government is pumping up the H1N1 or some hidden agenda certainly comes to mind as a set of events that may have something evil behind it. There certainly are forces still loyal to Cheney and the Bushes and Rummy who still inhabit the halls of power and may be deep moles everywhere - in military/intel and biowarfare and in government agencies.

I have believed from the start that the new "swine flu" was an escaped or intentionally released disease, virus, or other biological agent (bioweapon) or combination of agents. It has killed animals (my own dog died after flu like symptoms after my children and I got "the flu" (my daughter works in a place where several of her coworkers were quite ill and we all had varying degrees of whatever it was). Now they report cats are getting it. In the adults in our household it lingered as a respiratory problem for more than a month with what i called "kennel cough".

It turns out that most of the deaths from this event are not from the flu itself but from "secondary" bacterial or other infections and fluid in the lungs. It seems the flu (or whatever it is )weakens the immune system so that opportunistic infections and bacteria, staph etc can then take over and kill the most vulnerable victims (in this case those with least resistance and no immunity to prior variations of these bugs).


During the Bush Reagan years and the Bush Cheney years the military had free reign to develop all sorts of bioweapons (which were used by Saddam in Iraq) and which have been, under Nixon, for example, against Cuba: released into the environment and either blowing back or escaping to cause problems which the "dark" intel community may or may not have foreseen. Experiments were carried out in the NY subway system to watch for dispersal of agents such as these.

No matter what one believes about whether or not the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeldian nexus is capable of, we do know that they stand opposed to most if not all of what Obama stands for (at least ideally what we believe he stands for or what he appears to stand for).

We also know that the Bush power elites have their roots in naziism and the financial benefits from the Shoah and the idealogical soil of Eugenics and "race" supremacy.

Could it be that what H1N1 is is not JUST a new mutation of an older flu, but a new bioweapon which can be used to weaken our immune systems, make us vulnerable to fear of the pandemic, subject to experimentation with vaccines which are untested and for which the pharmaceutical companies have immunity for harm and which at the same time can undermine Obama and our collectiv security in a chaos building methodology so useful to fascists to make us act as sheep being led out of fear to whatever prisons or slavery they desire: i.e. to undermine Obama and confidence in his message so that Americans crave the loss of freedom proposed by right wingers in order to feel secure?

The diseases, the illness (which I have experiences, whatever the hell it was) MAY be a way of manipulating us all, carried out by agents not under control of the current government but utilizing operatives in the CDC and elsewhere who can manipulate the scenario and info .

Could it be a fascist effort to make us compliant and/or sick and unable to resist when they return to power ANY program which claims to protect us from the evil germs THEY have created

[HuckleB]

5. Then this will probably add to your paranoia.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2568

[Liberation Angel]

8. That's funny!

The problem is that many people cast these things in black and white: science versus herbalists (as if all prescriptive medicine is not based on herbal medicinals in the first place).

My belief that the current H1N1 is a variation of a bioweapon experiment is based not on paranoia at all but on the historical facts of the weaponization experiments using a swine flu substance by the US military. THAT is a historic act (at least according to media and investigative reports which i find credible).

OF COURSE this is a matter of what I believe and not what I can prove by any means.

I propose the POSSIBILITY that the Bush/Cheney?Rumsfeld tentacles are still embedded in elements of our government: sleeper fascists in strategic positions promoting the corporofascist agenda.

You can harass me by calling this paranoid (a post I also believe violates the rules of civility and insults here at DU and thus could be alerted and and should be edited or deleted) but such an argument is almost ALWAYS the attack methodology of fascists:"OH you are just paranoid. See the crazy who says swine flu may be a CONSPIRACY!!! HAHAHA!)

That is the refuge of a weak argument and while it may have some effect among cheerleaders for the extreme right, it will only fly so far here at DU.

Swine flu WAS used as a bioweapon. The fact that the evidence for H1N1 is not in conformity with what has been claimed and that reports are not accurate is suspicious to me.

So what i believe is simply a theory and a concrn. But paranois is when there is n basis in reality for your fears or suspicions. i would argue the contrary: the facts give rise to concerns which are valid and merit more investigation.

Not smug insults from fellow DUers.

BTW, the link looks like typical corporofascist financed propaganda.

[HuckleB]

13. ROTFLMAO!

[salvorhardin]

15. What does "typical corporofascist financed propaganda" look like?

This is an honest question. I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm trying to understand how you decide something is "corporofascist financed propaganda" or not.

[LeftishBrit]

7. Blimey....

do you also think that other flu epidemics have been some sort of bioweapon? Do you explain the 1968 pandemic in the same way?

And if this were the case, why wouldn't Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld have developed and unleased the bugs *before* leaving office, in the hope of staying in office? Doing so at this stage makes little sense.

[Techn0Girl]

9. The whole rant was a bit over the top wasn't it ?

I think it serves to detract from the reality of what is really happening.

[Liberation Angel]

11. Thanks bunches!

IF there is suspicious activity and we do not know what the "reality"is, we need to dig deeper.

That's all I am saying.

YOU brought it up: there is something odd afoot ith the evidence and the CDC.

Why?

[Liberation Angel]

10. I will get back to you on 1968, but the swine flu in the '70's followed CIA ops in Cuba with flu

As far as the last election - no way they could have won the election or stye in power.
This is to undermine Obama now, not help McCain win in 2008 (McCain IS a flunky for the right wing but he is also a free agent and could not have been relied on to cover up for the Bushes et al)

[trotsky]

16. You misunderestimate their lizard-people-ness.

So much better to release it AFTER they have left office, because of the "sleeper cells" they've left behind in the government. NO ONE WILL SUSPECT A THING!
:tinfoil:

[Chemisse]

18. It's really too bad you hijacked this thread

I was interested in hearing what people thought about the over-reporting that is alleged.

While what you propose is possible, I think it is highly improbable, and your argument takes some very giant leaps of logic. Notably, it requires the use of the word 'believe' a number of times.

[stray cat]

12. Since the only valid test is PCR - I'm glad the CDC stopped tracking every case!

once something has spread internationally its hard to put it back in the box by monitoring cases and segregating people.

[mhatrw]

17. Thank God the CDC is only in the market to scare folks into taking mercury-laden vaccines!

[Liberation Angel]

14. Columbia University Virologist says H1N1 virus is most probably a laboratory escape

http://www.virology.ws/2009/03/02/origin-of-current-influenza-h1n1-virus/

If it was not an escape it was intentional imho

was it bioengineered to be a new strain?

Why wouldn't it be if it served the interests of the BFEE?