CDC approved multidose injectable flu vaccines -- including the H1N1 (swine) flu -- are toxic waste.

[mhatrw]

http://www.epa.gov/waste/hazard/tsd/mercury/regs.htm

If mercury levels in a waste exceed the Toxicity Characteristic Leach Test (TCLP) level of 0.2 mg/L for mercury, then the waste is identified as a hazardous waste based on the toxicity characteristic.

The mercury level of any CDC-approved multivial H1N1 vaccine is 49 mg/L. That's 245 times greater than the EPA's standard for toxic waste. Multidose flu vaccines are toxic waste.

[truedelphi]

1. Also when a vaccine does not include mercury, it includes formaldehyde

people with MS symptoms are very vulnerable to any level, even the lowest levels fo formaldehyde.

Injecting pregnant women with this crappola should be considered a criminal offense.

[stray cat]

2. Most medicines and hospital supplies are as well - time to boycott health care!

[HuckleB]

4. Who needs it?

The world is overpopulated, anyway, right?

[mhatrw]

37. Most medicines and hospital supplies are toxic waste?

Really? Can you back up that claim?

[Why Syzygy]

3. They are classified as a biohazard...

If they have a spill, a hazmat team must be called. True.

[MineralMan]

15. That's bullshit. If there's a spill of flu vaccine, the person giving

the shots wipes it up with a paper towel and disposes of it in the same place he/she throws the alcohol wipes used on your arm. Why do you lie about this? What's in it for you to tell lies?

You've already had that explained to you by someone who gives vaccinations. Yet, you continue to tell the same untruth. Feh!

[Warpy]

17. If antivaxers were confined to the truth

they'd be struck mute.

[mhatrw]

38. What about the OP was not factual? n/t

[TZ]

57. all of it!

BTW, I've worked in a lab that makes vaccines (including sometimes influenza) and what you are saying is complete bullshit. Now the preservative itself, is general disposed of in a safe manner, but the vaccines themselves are not toxic. You know even the phased out mercury thermometers aren't as dangerous as woos like you think! You are so transparent.

[mhatrw]

61. Multidose flu vaccines are toxic waste 245 times over using the EPA's standards.

I'm sorry you have so much trouble dealing with a simple and indisputable fact.

[Why Syzygy]

20. .

http://extranet.fhcrc.org/EN/sections/ehs/hamm/chap6/section8.html

3.Microbiological Wastes: Laboratory wastes containing or contaminated with concentrated forms of infectious agents. Such waste includes discarded specimen cultures, stocks of etiologic agents, discarded live and attenuated viruses, blood or body fluids known to contain infectious pathogens, wastes from the production of biologicals and serums, disposable culture dishes, and devices used to transfer, inoculate and mix cultures (BSL-1 through BSL-4 etiologic agents as designated by NIH Guidelines/BSC).

[trotsky]

22. "If they have a spill, a hazmat team must be called."

Your link doesn't even come close to supporting your outrageous and ridiculous claim.

Oh, and on edit: your precious quote doesn't even mention vaccines at all. Swing and a miss - AGAIN!

[Name removed]

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[Warpy]

30. This is why a little learning is a dangerous thing

It allows you to read broad guidelines for labs specializing in disease research and try to apply it to your doctor's office.

The real world doesn't work that way. Perhaps you need to listen to those of us who have worked in the real world.

Despite what Dr. Google tells you, a spill of vaccine from a broken vial is simply wiped up with a paper towel and that towel is tossed into the regular trash. The broken glass is usually dumped into a sharps container so no one gets cut by it.

Hazmat is not called and the area isn't sterilized with bleach or Virex.

It's just wiped up. Period.

[Why Syzygy]

32. That's not going to happen.

Perhaps you need to listen to those of us who have worked in the real world.




The November 1999 report of the Institute of Medicine (IOM), entitled To Err Is Human: Building A Safer Health System, focused a great deal of attention on the issue of medical errors and patient safety. The report indicated that as many as 44,000 to 98,000 people die in hospitals each year as the result of medical errors.

Even using the lower estimate, this would make medical errors the eighth leading cause of death in this country—higher than motor vehicle accidents (43,458), breast cancer (42,297), or AIDS (16,516). About 7,000 people per year are estimated to die from medication errors alone—about 16 percent more deaths than the number attributable to work-related injuries.
http://www.ahrq.gov/qual/errback.htm

[Warpy]

33. When your lies are debunked

just go off on some insane tangent!

Sorry, Dr. Google, it's just not going to work.

[trotsky]

47. S.O.P.

Gets shot down OVER and OVER and OVER. She'll either ignore you, or just change the subject with another attack.

[Why Syzygy]

48. Insane?

It's logic. You're asking me to put my faith in someone who works in the field which is at least the 8th leading cause of preventable deaths. Not listening to you seems like the wisest course.

[mhatrw]

39. Multidose flu vaccines still meet the EPA's definition of toxic waste 245 times over.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

23. Nope just sweep it up and throw the glass in a sharps container.

[MineralMan]

5. Sounds like a lot, huh?

Actually, the actual amount in any of the flu vaccines is 25 micrograms in each .5 milliliter individual dose. Your statement about 49 mg/L is irrelevant. The level is 1 part per 10,000. Now, how much is 25 micrograms? Not enough to cause the effects you imagine.

The average human absorbs far more than that from the environment. Mercury is a naturally-occurring mineral and has always been in our food at some level.

I notice you give a link to an EPA site. Here's a link to another government site, dealing with vaccines, rather than hazardous waste. It's worth a read. I'm really surprised you didn't include this link, too:

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228

Well, maybe not that surprised.

[kestrel91316]

6. Lots of stuff used in medical offices qualifies as "toxic waste", lol.

Including 100% of the safe and effective medications we use. But the correct term is "medical hazardous waste".

[SidDithers]

7. Amount of thimerosal in a single dose of H1N1 vaccine = 50 ug...

(Using the Canadian data for unadjuvanted H1N1 vaccine, for adjuvanted vaccine, it's only 5ug)

So, since thimerosal is 50% mercury, there is 25ug of mercury per dose.

Amount of mercury in a can of tuna fish = 60 ug (.5ppm allowable x 120g of tuna/can)

The dose make the poison. I believe that's been mentioned to you once or twice.

Sid

[MineralMan]

8. So, eating half a can of tuna gives you about the same amount

of mercury as contained in the flu vaccine. I was just about to post a similar thing. This whole mercury thing is a typical bogeyman tactic. OOOOH! Mercury Bad! And yet, we make the kids how many tuna sandwiches a year, each containing the same dose of mercury as a flu shot?

How much is a microgram? Well, it can help to break it down from something we all understand. There are about 27 grams in an ounce. We know what an ounce is, right. So, lets divide our ounce of stuff into twenty-seven equal portions.

Take one of those portions, then divide it into tenths. Then, divide each those tenths into tenths, and so on, until you have reduced that original 1/27th of an ounce into a million equal parts. That's a microgram, folks. You can't see it. You can't weigh it without some really, really specialized equipment.

Why must the anti-vaxxers lie to make their point? Why do they not include all the pertinent information? Why do they not explain that you get far more mercury from your diet on a regular basis? The amount of mercury in a dose of flu vaccine has no effect. Cumulative mercury intake from dietary sources usually has no noticeable effect, although for some, it can, especially if diets are heavy in fish and fish products. The flu shot won't cause mercury poisoning or any mercury-related effects. You'll get those from your diet. Really.

[SidDithers]

9. Yup, betcha most kids eat a tuna sandwich once a week...

50 sandwiches, quarter can of tuna in each. That's about the same as 25 vaccine shots.

Silly anti-vaxxers.

Sid

[MineralMan]

10. They're not silly. They're dangerous.

Spreading false information is just plain wrong and may cause harm to people who listen to them and don't investigate for themselves.

Thanks for helping to expose their untruths to public view. I'm with you all the way on this.

[SidDithers]

12. True that...

keep fighting the good fight.

Sid

[SidDithers]

11. More fun with math...

Allowed mercury in a can of tuna is .5ppm = 500 ppb
EPA's standard for toxic waste is 2 ppb

ZOMG! Canned tuna is 250 times worse than toxic waste!!!

What a fucking joke :puke:

Sid

[MineralMan]

13. Aw, jeez...I spilled some kitty tuna on the floor. I guess I'd

better call the hazmat team. Man...that's going to be expensive, you know. I think I'll just wipe it up with a paper towel and keep my mouth shut. What do you think?

[Why Syzygy]

21. LOL! This is odd...

I'm starting to get a perverse little thrill from watching you go wonkers. I never enjoyed watching anyone suffer before. This is a first.

[Why Syzygy]

27. What you need to do

is inject some of that kitty tuna juice. You can't compare oral vs. intravenous quantities.

[trotsky]

29. Vaccines aren't injected intravenously.

They are intramuscular injections.

Quite different, but then you surely knew that, and accidentally posted a glaring falsehood, right?

[mhatrw]

41. So intramuscular injections are "quite diffferent" from intravenous injections is terms of mercury

uptake?

Do you have any evidence to back up this contention? I would be very curious to read it.

[trotsky]

46. The dose makes the poison: true or false?

Answer my question and I will answer yours.

[mhatrw]

50. The dose makes the poison

http://www.actionbioscience.org/environment/trautmann.html">or does it?

[trotsky]

52. Your article does not answer the way you think it does.

So will you ever answer? Or do you like making yourself look completely silly?

[mhatrw]

59. My new favorite article is my answer to your incessant, disruptive questioning.

I endorse what the article says, and it answers your question quite well.

There is a grain of truth in your favorite aphorism, but toxicology does not begin and end with it. Wouldn't you agree?

[LeftishBrit]

63. 'incessant disruptive questioning'?

Pots and kettles come to mind here.

[Why Syzygy]

49. oh oops.

Mr. Ignored is objecting to "intravenous" as opposed to "intramuscular"! :rofl:

Attn. Mr. Ignored: INJECT is the KEY WORD!

[semillama]

99. Are you actually trying to argue with someone you have on Ignore?

If so, that's ridiculous.

[MineralMan]

14. Hey! Wait! They allow 2 ppb in drinking water!

So, I'm drinking hazardous waste in my coffee! I'm doomed! Doomed, I tell you. And you know...when you make coffee, some of the water evaporates, concentrating the mercury even more. Oh, crap! I got as much mercury in my last cup of coffee as in a flu shot. I might as well go back to bed and wait for the end.

[mhatrw]

42. You would have to drink more than 3 gallons of borderline mercury

contaminated water (by the EPA's standards) to receive as much mercury as there is in a single 0.5 ml shot of multidose flu vaccine.

Would you like to drink 3 gallons of mercury contaminated water right now if you could avoid it? Why or why not?

[SidDithers]

55. Takes me about 6 days to drink 3 gallons of water...

so, in a year, I get 60 times as much mercury from water as I do from a single dose flu shot.

Plus, I probably eat half a can of tuna every week. In a year, I get ~50 times as much mercury from tuna as I do from a single dose flu shot.

25 ug is unmeasureable without specialized instruments.

The dose makes the poison.

Sid

[mhatrw]

75. It's great that the water you generally drink is borderline mercury contaminated.

Have you ever considered moving away from the fluorescent bulb factory?

[Warpy]

16. The OP is toxic waste.

[MineralMan]

18. What percentage of bullshit is allowed in an OP before

it qualifies as toxic waste?

[mhatrw]

43. The OP is 100% factual.

Deal with it.

[trotsky]

19. No argument here. n/t

[HuckleB]

24. What about fish?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h08xpuugceAVNixvp3RzLOj2fccgD9BT0BL00

[gkhouston]

31. What about vaccinated fish?

:evilgrin:

[HuckleB]

98. That'll be the end of us all!

[mhatrw]

25. It seems that I hit a nerve with some people here.

LOL.

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[mhatrw]

36. I did not post a lie. I have never posted a lie.

Nice responses. Calling me a troll and a liar.

Have any of you folks ever read the rules of this site?

[trotsky]

40. Your OP is untrue.

You are making a claim that is not supported by any evidence. You are conflating two different chemicals and then further distorting a guideline to make a ridiculous assertion. And I did not call you a liar, I said you posted a lie. You could have done so unknowingly - maybe somebody really, really stupid told you to post your claim.

But you pretty much admitted to being a troll on this subthread. You posted just to get a reaction.

[mhatrw]

44. I am not conflating two different chemicals.

The EPA does not have a different standard for ethylmercury contamination than it has for methylmercury contamination or elemental mercury contamination. You know this. You must know this. If you somehow do not know this, then use some common sense. If you have no common sense, then try using google.

I'm still waiting for your list of mercury compounds that are perfectly safe for humans to ingest and inject. Where is it?

[trotsky]

45. You want to bring up questions that we're waiting for answers?

:rofl:

TRUE OR FALSE: The dose makes the poison.

Give me a one word answer. I DARE YOU.

[mhatrw]

51. The dose makes the poison

http://www.actionbioscience.org/environment/trautmann.html">or does it?

[trotsky]

53. I've given you every chance to answer it yourself.

You refuse and refuse. Clearly you KNOW you are spreading misinformation because you know very well what the answer is.

[mhatrw]

60. LOL. I posted my answer. You just don't like it.

[HuckleB]

85. That could be because your answer is that you have no answer.

Or that your answer has no basis in reality.

Or...

[mhatrw]

96. .

[HuckleB]

97. Thanks for the admission of your failure to prove your claims, yet again.

[Name removed]

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[truedelphi]

35. I am enjoying your cartoon. n/t

[HuckleB]

54. Something is not right.

You admit to posting this baseless BS simply to get a reaction. When others point that out, those posts are deleted, while the thread remains.

What gives DU?

[TZ]

58. Bullshit anti-vaxx lies are tolerated here for some reason.

I think it has to do with the lack of scientific knowledge on the mods part. Opinion and outright lies are hard to differentiate if you don't have a science background.

[mhatrw]

62. You simply can't deal with a simple, indisputable fact.

Multidose flu vaccines are toxic waste 245 times over.

[SidDithers]

66. The EPA also has a minimum size for something to be considered "toxic waste"...

you know that, right?

The minimum reporting quantity for mercury discharge is 1 pound. That's right. If a company has a mercury spill, as long as it's less than 1 pound, they don't need to report it to the EPA.

http://www.epa.gov/glnpo/bnsdocs/mercsrce/mercreg.html

1 pound = 454 g = 454,000,000 ug = 18,160,000 H1N1 vaccine shots


So, spill 18 million doses of H1N1 vaccine, and then you've got toxic waste.






Now, I fully expect you to carry on with your uninformed blatherings.

Sid

[mhatrw]

69. Check your math.

There are 2000 vaccine shots in a liter of vaccine. A liter of water weighs one kilogram. So there no way that one-half liter of vaccine (1000 vaccinations) weighs less than a pound).

But keep spreading your disinformation.

[SidDithers]

70. But there's only 25 ug of mercury in a shot...

2000 vaccine shots would only be 50mg of mercury.

It's you who's spreading disinformation. And who's being laughed at for it.

Sid

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[TZ]

56. HAHAHAHAHA!

What a dumbass post. So are CFC's. I guess fish are as well. You realize that the mercury content of fish is about 100X greater than any vaccine right? Medical school doctor my ass. You are BY FAR the most ludicrous anti-vaxxer on this board! :rofl:
I see the usual idiots lapping up your stupidity.
BAN FISH RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

[mhatrw]

64. Why spread disinformation?

According to the http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/FoodbornePathogensContaminants/Methylmercury/ucm115644.htm">EPA's website, the median amount of mercury in swordfish (which has the highest median amount listed) is 0.86 PPM.

In contrast, the percentage of mercury in vaccines is about 50 PPM, and well over 50 times as great.

[SidDithers]

65. Concentration is a meaningless measurement, without volume...

For a controlled size dose, in this case .5 ml, we know that the total dose of mercury will be 25 ug.

When we eat swordfish, the average "dose" is probably, what, 250g?
.86 ppm = .86 mg / kg
for 250 g piece of swordfish, we get .215 mg of mercury = 215 ug

So, for every half-pound piece of swordfish you eat is equivalent to 8 vaccine shots.

And yet millions of people eat swordfish every day without consequence.

Your arguments in this thread are ridiculous, you have no understanding about why concentration, without volume, is a meaningless measurment.

Sheesh.

Sid

[mhatrw]

68. It's not meaningless. Pregnant women & little kids are not supposed to

be eating swordfish:

http://www.epa.gov/fishadvisories/advice

Therefore, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) are advising women who may become pregnant, pregnant women, nursing mothers, and young children to avoid some types of fish and eat fish and shellfish that are lower in mercury.

By following these three recommendations for selecting and eating fish or shellfish, women and young children will receive the benefits of eating fish and shellfish and be confident that they have reduced their exposure to the harmful effects of mercury.

1. Do not eat Shark, Swordfish, King Mackerel, or Tilefish because they contain high levels of mercury.

Therefore, your argument at the dosage of mercury in a single vaccine is fine because eating swordfish is fine is disingenuous at best and, I would argue, dangerous and harmful.

[SidDithers]

71. Because, when a pregnant woman eats swordfish...

she doesn't stop at 30g, which is the portion size where she'd get the amount of mercury equivalent to a vaccination. What's a portion size on a swordfish steak? Typically, it's 8oz, or 225g.

So, yes. Comparing concentrations is completely fucking misleading.

You're clueless. I'm done correcting your misinformation in this thread. Other posters can easily see why you're wrong (again).

Sid

[mhatrw]

74. Wow. I can see that logic really isn't your strong suit.

Good luck, though, with whatever it is you are good at.

[HuckleB]

90. Are you talking to yourself?

If you're not, you should be.

Grow up.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

72. You do it in nearly every post.

[mhatrw]

76. Saying something over and over doesn't make it true.

Sorry, but I don't apologize for stating indisputable facts.

Anyone who wants a reasonable conversation gets one.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

77. Then why do you keep doing it?

Example Mercury and Thimerosal are chemically the exact same thing and can be used interchangebly. Just address that one issue reasonably. Put your money where your mouth is.

[mhatrw]

78. There are no safe forms of mercury and you know it.

Yes, there is some recent evidence that ethylmercury clears the body quicker than methylmercury. I hope and pray that this evidence actually means that injected ethylmercury is safer than ingested methylmercury. But where are the full toxicology studies for ethylmercury? Are you actually prepared to discuss this issue reasonably?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

79. Thimerosal in the allowable doses is a safe mercury compound.

We give tens of millions of vaccines a year with very small amounts of thimerosal in them. Yet we don't have a single conclusive bit of evidence that thimerosal causes harm. So yes thimerosal in very small doses is a safe mercury compound. Feel free to volunteer for some toxicology test on ethylmercury I'm more than happy with the anecdotal evidence.

[mhatrw]

80. How reasonable. Put the burden of proof on thimerosal's harm rather than thimerosal's safety.

And then use circular reasoning: "Since we have been assuming thimerosal is perfectly safe for all these years, then it must be perfectly safe. You know, since so many other mercury compounds are so harmless to ingest and inject."



"Yep. Just as I thought. No problems with injecting mercury in little kids and pregnant women here!"

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

81. We haven't been assuming we've been observing. Nice try though.

[mhatrw]

83. Where are the full toxicolgical studies on thimesosal?

Where are the epidemiology studies on thimesosal in vaccines?

This is how you have been "observing":

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

84. Nice self portrait. Is this an example of some of your rational discussion skills?

I'd call the people in charge of toxicology studies and ask them your question. The decades of obvious evidence is enough for me.

[mhatrw]

86. Where are the full toxicolgical studies on thimesosal? Just wondering.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

87. Try a google search.

[mhatrw]

88. LOL. Link them up for us since you are so sure they exist. n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

89. First you link to where I said they existed or admit you are making things up again.

[mhatrw]

91. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

Just what I expected.

[HuckleB]

92. So you can't prove your claim, yet again.

What is your reason for posting here?

[mhatrw]

94. Multidose flu vaccines are toxic waste 245 times over using the EPA's standards.

Read the OP.

[HuckleB]

95. Nice red herring.

But that wasn't the claim I was referring, as you well know.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

93. That's exactly what you always present zip, nada and zilch!

[HuckleB]

82. Exactly!