How Can A Pregnant Woman in America Get the H1N1 Vaccine That is Mercury Free?

[David Zephyr]

What in the hell is going on in this country?

Have we become the laboratory mice for the pharmaceutical conglomerates?

Why is it that German soldiers and people around the world are able to get the form of the H1N1 vaccine that does not include mercury, but American women can not get it here?

This is outrageous and evil.

Does anyone here at the DU know where the mercury free vaccine can be obtained?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

1. Widely available.

[David Zephyr]

13. Not in California. Please tell me where so I can help a dear friend.

Where?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

14. The flumist version has been available to the public for 2 weeks here.

I have no idea about California.

[David Zephyr]

23. The flumist version is not for pregnant women. That's our problem.

http://www.flumist.com/

[Dorian Gray]

42. Pregnant women

can not get the flumist version.

[rucky]

2. I think that's the nasal version

don't quote me on that, though.

[BrklynLiberal]

7. One of the eight available is nasal..and that is one of the four with no mercury.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5839a3.htm?s_cid=mm5839a3_e

[rucky]

10. good to know!

[TZ]

11. You might want to understand dosages

Before you start scaring people. Thimerosol is .02% of a vaccine. Mercury is even less. Despite what non chem/bio people believe tiny amounts of Mercury is harmless.

[Confusious]

18. Thimerosol has no free mercury

The mercury it does have is bound up in the thimersol compound.

[mhatrw]

28. So it that makes it harmless, right?

http://www.jpands.org/vol11no2/ayoub.pdf

The Eli Lilly Manufacturer’s Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for thimerosal states: exposure in-utero can cause mild to severe mental retardation and motor coordination impairment.” The National Toxicology Program (NTP) states that thimerosal is a poison by ingestion, subcutaneous, intravenous and possibly other routes,” classifies it as an experimental carcinogen and teratogen, and concludes that childhood exposures result in “mental retardation in children, loss of coordination in speech, writing, gait, stupor, and irritability and bad temper progressing to mania.”

The Eli Lilly MSDS further states that thimerosal “is known to cause birth defects and other reproductive harm.” The NTP broadly classifies thimerosal as a teratogen capable of other adverse reproductive effects.

The California EPA has proclaimed that thimerosal is a human reproductive toxin. When denying a request from Bayer, Inc., to reclassify thimerosal as harmless, its report concluded: "The scientific evidence that… thimerosal causes reproductive toxicity is clear and voluminous. Thimerosal dissociates in the body to ethyl mercury. The evidence for its reproductive toxicity includes severe mental retardation or malformations in human offspring who were poisoned when their mothers were exposed to ethyl mercury or thimerosal while pregnant, studies in animals demonstrating developmental toxicity after exposure to either ethyl mercury or thimerosal, and data showing interconversion to other forms of mercury that also clearly cause reproductive toxicity.

[TZ]

8. Wrong. No preservative at all in the nasal

But pregnant women aren't eligible for a LAIV nasal vaccine.

[rucky]

9. that's what I meant - the safe one is the nasal

but i didn't know they weren't eligible for that, so...

[TZ]

12. They are both safe Rucky.

But the nasal is more potent. You can't have it if you ate over 49 less than 2 or around an immunocompromised person

[David Zephyr]

19. Nasal Spray is not for pregnant women either.

The 2009 H1N1 nasal spray vaccine is recommended for use in healthy people 2 years through 49 years of age who are not pregnant.

[David Zephyr]

25. It's not for pregnant women.

.

[mhatrw]

29. Of course they are! Because TZ, a message board poster, says so!

[David Zephyr]

34. Yeah. A lot of help those posts were.

Thanks. I'm trying to help a friend who is worrying her heart out and she's the wife of one of my dearest friends and I didn't expect to be lectured here about the wonders of mercury.

mhatrw, I appreciate your comments in this thread.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Mercury limits suspended for H1N1 vaccine to improve access

http://www.klewtv.com/news/local/61286912.html

OLYMPIA - State health officials are taking steps to ensure Washington residents at highest risk for H1N1 (swine flu) infection have broad access to the new vaccine when it's available.

In a news release, officials said Secretary of Health Mary Selecky is temporarily suspending Washington's limit on the amount of mercury (thimerosal) allowed in H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine given to pregnant women and children under three.

"It's vital to be sure everyone in a high risk group has the choice to be vaccinated when swine flu vaccine becomes available," said Secretary Selecky. "Mercury-free H1N1 vaccine may not always be in stock, and we want to be sure there are no barriers to protecting people."

The six-month suspension is effective through March 23, 2010 and applies only to H1N1 (swine flu) vaccines now being developed. As a precaution, Washington state law limits the amount of mercury that can be in vaccines for pregnant women and children under three. The secretary of health can suspend the law when there's a shortage of vaccine or during a disease outbreak - both criteria apply to the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine. Supplies of mercury-free vaccine will be limited, which may stop people in these groups who want the vaccine from getting it.

H1N1 vaccination is voluntary. Pregnant women and children under three are at the top of the list to get the vaccine because they're at high risk for serious complications from swine flu.

"We believe suspending the law allows health care providers to offer their patients as many choices as possible to protect themselves against H1N1," said Cindy Markus, MD, President of the Washington State Medical Association.

When the limits are suspended, the law requires that pregnant or lactating women and parents or guardians of children under 18 be told they're getting a vaccine containing more mercury than is usually permitted. There is no specific notification method required; most patients will get a handout to read.

The mercury in vaccines is in a preservative called thimerosal. It's been used safely for years to prevent contamination of vaccines in vials that contain more than one dose. Except for some types of flu vaccines, all vaccines routinely recommended for children under six years of age are thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts.

While some people are concerned about the safety of thimerosal, many large, thorough studies have shown no harm caused by thimerosal in vaccines.

Federal health officials expect H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine to be available in early October. Although there will eventually be enough vaccine for everyone, supplies will be limited at first and will likely be reserved for high risk people.

People are encouraged to check with their private health care provider, public health clinics, retail pharmacies, and community vaccination event organizers on locations to get the vaccine. State and local health partners are working together to identify these locations and will share that information when vaccine is available.

[David Zephyr]

20. Arnold did this here in California, too.

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[Chemisse]

4. Have you tried to get it?

Have you spoken to your (or your wife's) OB doctor? That would seem to be the best place to start.

[David Zephyr]

15. We have tried everywhere here in Southern California.

Arnold lifted the ban and now my friend's wife can only find the Thimerosol vaccines. Her clinic can not provide it.

She's far along in her pregnancy.

[HuckleB]

37. It's hard enough to get any H1N1 vaccine right now.

That's just the reality of the current situation.

[mhatrw]

38. Why is this the "reality" of the current situation?

The NIAID/CDC seems to have plenty of thimerosal-free (and thimerosal-removed) versions of these injectable vaccines to use for all of their safety/efficacy tests.

Meanwhile, almost all of us, including pregnant women and little kids, are being given the thimerosal-spiked versions of these injectable vaccines.

The http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/vteuH1N1qa.htm">CDC's safety trials on these new H1N1 vaccines are being done using the thimerosal-free or thimerosal-removed single dose versions of these vaccines. For example:

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/qaH1N1pedvax.htm

Do the vaccines used in the pediatric trials contain thimerosal or adjuvants?

No. The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine and the seasonal influenza vaccine used in these trials do not contain thimerosal or adjuvants.

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/H1N1pregnanttrials.htm

Does the vaccine contain either the preservative thimerosal or an adjuvant?

No. The vaccine does not contain thimerosal, a preservative.

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/H1N1VacASTHMAqa.htm

During the production of the vaccine, thimerosal, a chemical that prevents bacterial contamination, is required. This chemical is removed in the preparation of the single-dose syringes containing the vaccine, which will be used in this clinical trial.

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/H1N1VacHIVChildYouthPregWomenqa.htm

The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine manufactured by Novartis contains a trace amount of thimerosal, a mercury derivative used in the manufacture of the vaccine and removed by subsequent purification steps.

[HuckleB]

45. Way to go off topic.

I will not waste time addressing your repeated BS. Your inability to follow a thread with intellectual honesty has made it clear that my time is better spent elsewhere.

[BrklynLiberal]

5. Check here...

http://trismus1.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/some-h1n1-vaccine-mercury-info/

I don’t want to talk about vaccines and autism for the same reason I don’t feel like standing up and repeatedly smacking my head against the wall. I would, however, like to pass along the following information about the H1N1 flu vaccine and mercury.

There are three different companies that make H1N1 (swine flu) flu shots. Of those only one, Sanofi Pasteur, has a shot FDA approved for kids less than 4 years old. Sanofi Pasteur makes three different H1N1 flu shots, one of which is FDA approved for kids older than 3, the other two are approved for kids all the way down to 6 months.

Of the 2 Sanofi Pasteur shots approved for kids older than 6 months:

-one is a 0.25 mL prefilled syringe (an individually packaged shot) which contains no mercury
-one is a 5.0 mL multidose vial (a bottle of vaccine that 10 shots can be drawn out of) which contains 25 micrograms of mercury per shot.

A mercury free H1N1 vaccine is out there for your kiddo if you are so inclined, don’t let any fear mongers tell you otherwise.

CDC website — scroll to the table near the bottom if you want to see for yourself
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5839a3.htm?s_cid=mm5839a3_e

[David Zephyr]

16. We know it exists. We can not find a clinic in Southern California that has it.

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[David Zephyr]

17. Not true here.

We've spent the last two weeks calling clinics througout SoCal. No one has the the Thimerosol free vaccine for her.

If you know of a clinic here that has it, please let me know.

[mhatrw]

30. Why do you spread disinformation like this?

How are you supposed to get a bacterial infection from a sterile single dose needle?

[PSPS]

21. Only the "bulk" packed vaccine has thimerosal

All of the individually-packed (already in a syringe) doses are thimerosal-free.

[David Zephyr]

22. And they are not available for pregnant women in Southern California.

We can't find a single clinic that has it.

[mhatrw]

31. Yes. The question is where can someone find the single dose version.

My doctor's office (Bay Area, CA) says it is not available.

[David Zephyr]

36. Again, thank you mhatrw. This is what our doctors tell us, too.

Like you, we have called, googled, hunted and searched and can not find any of the vaccine that Germany got for its soldiers available here.

I am very concerned for my friend's wife. She is being very brave and, yet wants to protect her child. She's a trooper.

I had hoped to post here and find someone that might know how she could find the mercury free vaccine, but never expected to be lectured by others. There are some very insensitive jerks here.

I'm glad I've met you here at the DU. Thank you for your positive posts.

I believe you that you can't get it there in the Bay Area because we can't get it down here either.

I don't think many people understand this. :hi:

[slutticus]

24. What the hell are you talking about??? I know it's available here in the Bay Area

[David Zephyr]

26. What clinic? We will drive there tonight.

Tell me what in hell you are talking about and let me know the name of the clinic.

I'll call them right now.

[slutticus]

32. They have it for the pregnant ladies where I work. I'll ask the nurses.

[David Zephyr]

33. Thank you. We can only find the Thimerosol vaccine for her here.

Thanks.

[HuckleB]

46. Do you have your own physician?

[HuckleB]

48. The vaccine in all its forms seems to be in better supply this week in the NW.

[mhatrw]

27. Where?

[trotsky]

35. There is no vaccine that contains elemental mercury.

If you are speaking about thimerosal, a mercury COMPOUND, which behaves completely different in the body, do you have any studies that show it's harmful to anyone other than those individuals who are allergic to it?

(BTW, thimerosal has been in use in vaccines for almost 80 years. No one is being a "laboratory mouse" for this cheap, effective, harmless preservative.)

[mhatrw]

39. Please. Thimerosal is an extemely powerful neurotoxin. This fact is not disputable.

You are priceless. Are they no depths that you will not sink to in your defense of all things big and pharma? So only "elemental mercury" is dangerous? Since when? Is this some new Big Pharma talking point? Do you really think it will fly? "Mercury is safe as long as it is not elemental mercury." LOL! Is this really what you are trying to sell now?

http://www.jpands.org/vol11no2/ayoub.pdf

The Eli Lilly Manufacturer’s Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for thimerosal states: "exposure in-utero can cause mild to severe mental retardation and motor coordination impairment." The National Toxicology Program (NTP) states that thimerosal is a "poison by ingestion, subcutaneous, intravenous and possibly other routes," classifies it as an experimental carcinogen and teratogen, and concludes that childhood exposures result in "mental retardation in children, loss of coordination in speech, writing, gait, stupor, and irritability and bad temper progressing to mania."

The Eli Lilly MSDS further states that thimerosal "is known to cause birth defects and other reproductive harm." The NTP broadly classifies thimerosal as a teratogen capable of other adverse reproductive effects.

The California EPA has proclaimed that thimerosal is a human reproductive toxin. When denying a request from Bayer, Inc., to reclassify thimerosal as harmless, its report concluded: "The scientific evidence that ... thimerosal causes reproductive toxicity is clear and voluminous. Thimerosal dissociates in the body to ethyl mercury. The evidence for its reproductive toxicity includes severe mental retardation or malformations in human offspring who were poisoned when their mothers were exposed to ethyl mercury or thimerosal while pregnant, studies in animals demonstrating developmental toxicity after exposure to either ethyl mercury or thimerosal, and data showing interconversion to other forms of mercury that also clearly cause reproductive toxicity."

[SemiCharmedQuark]

40. You keep presenting Ayoub as your source. He's a conspiracy theorist nutbag

Here's a video of him talking about the Illuminati, black helicopters, the New World Order and the Women's Rights Movement as a government propaganda tool to control population.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&hl=en#

[mhatrw]

41. I am presenting a peer reviewed medical journal article as one of my sources.

Everything I have presented has also been further sourced by indisputable footnotes also confirmed by a peer reviewed, published medical journal.

But, of course, you counter, as all Big Pharma shills tend to, with an ad hominem personal attack.

I also take issue with your characterization of Ayoub, who is 100% an intelligent, well-meaning MD. While I do not endorse all of his speculations, he is obviously 100% sane and 100% sincere.

I heartily and whole heartedly recommend the first 30 minutes of his video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646&hl=en#

[trotsky]

43. True or false: The dose makes the poison.

True or false?

When will you answer the question?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

44. He/she can't answer the question

I've posed it myself several times.

[trotsky]

47. Can you blame her?

The answer to that one question undermines her whole reason for posting on DU.

[mhatrw]

49. True or false?

Every multidose injection of seasonal or H1N1 flu contains .0245 milligrams of mercury per 0.5 ml of vaccine.

True or false?

The EPA's standard for undrinkable mercury contamination in our drinking water is 0.002 milligrams per liter of water.

True or false?

Every liter of vaccine contains 49 milligrams of mercury.

True or false?

If a liter of water contained 49 milligrams of mercury, it would have 24,500 times the amount of mercury that the FDA says is safe to drink.

True or false?

[trotsky]

50. Answered in your other thread.

Now answer me.

I dare you.

[mhatrw]

51. OK. My answer is that you are being boorish and asinine.

You don't wish to have a reasonable discussion. You wish to engage in sophistical rhetoric because you know that you can't win if you actually debate reasonably.

[Chemisse]

52. Nothing new from that poster

It's not much fun to debate something if one of the participants only flings snide comments.

[trotsky]

54. Like calling someone "boorish and asinine"?

Or repeatedly accusing them of being a paid big pharma shill?

I agree, anyone who flings snide comments like that should be looked upon very negatively. You certainly would give that poster a what-for, right?

[HuckleB]

57. Pot, meet kettle.

And it's also not much of a discussion, when one of the posters refuses to engage in intellectual honesty.

[trotsky]

53. I just want you to answer one question, and all you can do is attack me personally.

One question, true or false.

That you refuse, and instead lash out with attacks, is a more damning answer than you could otherwise give.

[HuckleB]

56. Please.

You've made it clear that you refuse to have an intellectually honest discussion. And now you're accuse others in this manner?

Grow up.

[Ian David]

55. Don't eat tuna for one whole day, and you'll make up for the mercury in the shot. n/t