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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:27 PM
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It's a micracle!!! Desiree Jennings on road to recovery...
After allegedly suffering dystonia from an alleged flu shot, and with the help of Generation Rescue and Dr. Rashid A. Buttar, at the Center for Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research in Charlotte, NC, the alleged cheerleader is now miraculously getting better. You can follow her amazing road to recovery here http://www.desireejennings.com/index.php

The alleged medical research center offers "39 different IV Therapies oriented towards the principles of detoxification and immune modulation including heavy metal chelation, oxidative therapies, nutritional IV's, and many other treatments that detoxify and enhance the immune system." They boast that "Our treatments are so effective, that even the North Carolina Medical Board is trying to suppress the truth." http://www.drbuttar.com/

Dr. Buttar identified her alleged illness as "Acute, Viral Post Immunization Encephalopathy and Mercury Toxicity with secondary respiratory and neurological deficits".

Now, excuse me while I go brush my teeth. These sites made me throw up in my mouth.

Sid
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:33 PM
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1. Bull-manure....
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:33 PM
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2. I guess Doc Buttarse is a miracle-worker, then...
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:33 PM
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3. Who was this?
Was this the person on Youtube who couldn't walk forward after getting a flu shot?

Was it all a hoax?
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:43 PM
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6. Yes and Yes
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:45 PM
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7. I think it lends credence to the theories that her illness was psychogenic...
that her symptoms are "cured" when she believes that she's recieving treatment that will cure her symptoms.

Sid
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:58 PM
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9. Not necessarily a hoax...
But very likely psychosomatic: her fears about the vaccine may have led to the symptoms, and her belief that she was being treated to a 'cure'.

Such things are not uncommon, and don't need to indicate conscious faking. I have heard of a case where someone, after being bitten by a dog, was convinced (s)he had caught rabies - and, because they had a wrong idea of what the symptoms of that disease are, crawled around barking! (Fortunately, they did not have rabies!)
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:37 PM
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4. I saw her interviewed a few times and it sure didn't look like she was faking.
However she's getting better I'm glad for it. I found her story very disturbing not because it says anything about flu shots, but because it is a reminder of how bad things happen with no warning and no mercy.

Do you think she was faking it or are you annoyed that she's advertising for a quack?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:42 PM
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5. An update to the earlier thread about her...
had information that experts thought her illness was psychogenic.

On the October 16, 2009, Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor", Dr. Leigh Vinocur from the University of Maryland Medical System offered an alternative cause to Ms. Jennings' syndrome. Dr. Vinocur stated that there have been no cases of dystonia associated with the flu vaccine and that neurology experts at the University of Maryland were using Ms. Jennings' case to teach neurology residents about psychogenic dystonia.

Dystonia is a neurological disorder where twitches and other repetitive, involuntary reactions occur. Normally, these repetitive actions do not let up. In the interview videos, Ms. Jennings' symptoms subside at times. According to Dr. Vinocur, neurologists saw the video and were convinced it was psychogenic.

Psychogenic disorders do not mean that a person is faking their symptoms. Rather, it means that the person truly believes that the symptoms are real. However, there is no physiological reason for the symptoms. It truly is all in their head. Examples include phantom limb syndrome, where a hand that has been amputated along with a limb is felt by the person as being clinched or still being there. Psychotherapy or some medications to treat the mental issues can help deal with psychogenic disorders.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=222&topic_id=72660

Can a fake cure treat a psychogenic illness? :shrug:

Sid
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:21 PM
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12. Thank you for the information!
And I am guessing the answer to our question is yes. Yes, fake cures can cure psychogenic illness in much the same way as placebo can have beneficial effects.

In the video I saw, she was racked with spasms but when she either jogged or walked backwards the symptoms virtually disappeared which seemed to me to be a hopeful sign. Whatever, I'm just glad she is doing much better.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:49 PM
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8. Gee, what a surprise.
Can we all say "conversion disorder?"
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:58 PM
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10. k&r for truthiness and thanks for the update. I hope she gets the help she needs.nt
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:58 PM
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11. Is someone pulling our collective leg?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:50 PM
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13. Orac's take on Desiree Jennings...
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 12:56 PM by SidDithers
good stuff here: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/desiree_jennings_cured.php?utm_source=selectfeed&utm_medium=rss

When I first wrote about this story, I made a prediction. Actually, I made an "either or" prediction. I predicted that either doctors or practitioners recommended by Generation Rescue would use their usual quackery (i.e., "biomedical therapy" for "vaccine injury") to "treat" Ms. Jennings. There's no doubt that that's exactly what happened, and GR went for the big macher of "biomedical" woo-meisters, Dr. Rashid Buttar. It doesn't get much bigger than that in the biomedical world. I further predicted that, if Jennings' symptoms resolved spontaneously, which they appear to be doing, both she and GR would credit her fortune to whatever quackery she was being subjected to. My alternative prediction was that, given the increasing evidence coming out that Jennings' condition was not true dystonia and had, at the very least, a strong psychogenic overlay, the anti-vaccine movement would let her story fade away. Indeed, that was what it appeared to be doing, given that the page on Generation Rescue's website asking for donations for Jennings had disappeared without a trace (other than the Google cache, of course).

Apparently in response to all the criticism, someone at GR apparently decided that the best defense is a good offense. (And who's more offensive than j.B. Handley?) That good offense is what we're seeing now. Jennings' website is slick and clearly professionally designed. It's doubtful that she could afford to put together such a website, much less the well-produced video that is being shown. I also predicted that, if and when Jennings' almost certainly psychogenic dystonia spontaneously resolves, the anti-vaccine movement will declare victory and use that resolution as "evidence" that her dystonia was due to "vaccine injury." That is exactly what appears to be happening right now. It looks almost as dramatic as a faith healing. As I said before, I do not think that she is faking, and "psychogenic" doesn't mean that she can control her symptoms. She is indeed suffering, I'm sure.

Unfortunately, suffering or not, psychogenic dystonia or true dystonia, this unfortunate young woman is being used by the anti-vaccine movement, and it sickens me.I hadn't realized just how cynical the anti-vaccine movement would be. Even in my wildest imaginings, I wouldn't have predicted that they'd have chosen Dr. Rashid Buttar as the woo-meister who would "cure" Jennings. After all, he's the same guy who has promoted, among other quackery, urine injections. He's the same guy who has charged cancer patients obscene amounts of money for his quackery and made unbelievable promises. Now that's chutzpah!


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