HuffPo: "There is No Proof Cigarettes Cause Cancer" say experts

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It took 5 decades to overcome the massive well funded PR campaign by Big Tobacco,
as well as overcome the conflicts of interest in those who were supposed to protect us.

Huffington Post "There is No Proof Cigarettes Cause Cancer"
Dr. Jay Gordon February 16, 2009

It took fifty years before the courts finally acknowledged that cigarette smoking causes cancer.

There were billions of dollars at stake.

The dozens of court decisions that there "was no proof" were supported by physicians, expert witnesses of all types and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on attorneys.

Experts and doctors alike stated over and over again that we need not continue studying this issue because there was just no proof.

Let me state very simply, vaccines can cause autism.

No real scientist would encourage us to stop studying this possibility.

The proof is not there yet. It will be found. Let's hope it doesn't take another fifty years and hundreds of court cases to convince the government and the public. Private industry is once again duping the FDA, doctors and the public. The conflicts of interest are obscene and illegal.

The diseases against which we vaccinate are still dangerous and still present in other countries and in America but simple risk/benefit analysis would show that the risks from the way vaccines are manufactured and administered far outweighs the risks of harm from these relatively rare illnesses.
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Yes, Big Tobacco found doctors to say that smoking cigarettes was safe.
We were told that enough studies had been done, and there was no point in doing more.

[Buzz Clik]

1. This is good news. I guess my father isn't dead after all.

But, he's looked better...

[Orrex]

2. Well, at least he's quit smoking

Same with my grandfather.

[Orrex]

3. Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to present yet another case of

Special recognition is in order for achieving TM in the OP.

[Viking12]

4. False analogy.

The real similarities are between the tobacco industry scientists and the anti-vax woo you apparently support. "Studies" conducted by "Big Tobacco" are very similar to the "studies" claiming vaccine-autism links; both really on sloppy methods and/or fabrication of data.

It took actual science conducted by real scientists publishing in peer-reviewed publications to establish the harms of tobacco. Real scientists publishing in peer-reviewed publications have severely limited the possibility (nearly completely ruled it out) of any vaccine-autism connection.

[Wildewolfe]

5. There's a flip side to all that.

The manufacturing process and the additives to the vaccines are what's suspected to cause the autism as I recall so fix that. As I recall it's something called timerisol used as a perservative in the vaccine itself to give it a longer shelf life.

But the reason those are relatively rare illnesses now are... cause we had vacination programs against them. I.e. they didn't used to be relatively rare and the diseases were far from harmless.

Vaccination programs will ALWAYS have a small percentage of people that react badly to them and even die. That's because we aren't machines that all react absolutely identically to the same thing. But epidemics of Polio, typhus, Pertussus (whooping cough) are killers in mass numbers and vaccination programs stopped those epidemics.

The problem now isn't to make vaccinations go away, that's shooting yourself (and everyone else around you) in the foot to spite your face. It's to make them safer. Identify the actual problems with vaccinations (like the inclusion of timerisol as a perservative that likely does cause autism.

Vaccinations is one of those public health hard choices. You do it to make your population not die en masse to plagues period. One dies out every 100,000 due to bad reaction to the vaccine so that you don't have 1000 die to the disease.

FIXING the vaccines to make them safer is the real issue that has to be addressed here let's not lose sight of that.

The bottom line... all those diseases are still out there and in the schools. A few years ago my daughter brought home whooping cough to me. She was immune (vaccinated). I caught it. (vaccine if I ever had had it (don't remember) had long worn off). It was miserable, but it's not fatal for a healthy adult. The point being, it's still out there. It can be fatal to a grade schooler or younger.

I'm not going to minimize the risks associated with vaccination. They are there. But you roll the dice on what they vaccinate against too, and some of those are pretty bad. Timerisol I think has been removed from most modern vaccines. If it were me, I would ask the doctor what was in the vaccine and if that wasn't in it go ahead. In the end it all comes down to risk management. What are you willing to risk? What will you be allowed to risk by your school system? It's a tricky question and it involves not only you, your child, but everyone around you as well. Just like walking across the street everyday it ends up being a crap shoot. Just ask as many questions as you can to try to load the dice.